>>> THE ONLY WAY TO ACTUALLY
IMPLEMENT SOMETHING LIKE A
NO-FLY ZONE IS TO SEND NATO
PLANES INTO UKRANIAN AIR SPACE
AND SHOOT DOWN RUSSIAN PLANES
AND THAT COULD LEAD TO A FULL
FLEDGED WAR IN EUROPE.
PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS BEEN CLEAR
THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET
INTO A WAR WITH RUSSIA.
>> WELL, THERE YOU HEARD IT.
THE WORLD IS WATCHING VLADIMIR
PUTIN RATCHET UP SAVAGERY IN
UKRAINE.
NATO SHOT DOWN THE IDEA OF
IMPLEMENTING A NO-FLY ZONE TO
SLOW DOWN RUSSIA'S CREEPING
INVASION FOR THE REASON YOU
HEARD SECRETARY BLINKEN EXPLAIN.
HOW CAN NATO ENFORCE A NO-FLY
ZONE WITHOUT SHOOTING DOWN
RUSSIAN PLANES THAT DISOBEY IT.
TALK ABOUT WORLD WAR THREE.
JOINING ME, CALIFORNIA
CONGRESSMAN TED LIEU WHO SITS ON
THE HOUSE JUDICIARY AND FOREIGN
AFFAIRS COMMITTEE AND BACK WITH
US, MALCOLM NANCE.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE TERROR
ASYMMETRICS PROJECT AND AUTHOR
OF THE BOOK "THEY WANT TO KILL
AMERICANS."
CONGRESSMAN, I WANT TO START
WITH YOU.
IS THERE A WORLD IN WHICH NATO
DOES ENACT A NO-FLY ZONE AND
WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE IF THEY
DO?
>> THANK YOU, TIFFANY.
I SERVED ACTIVE DUTY IN THE AIR
FORCE, I KNOW THAT OUR MILITARY
AND OUR ALLIES CAN ABSOLUTELY
ESTABLISH A NO-FLY ZONE AND
OBLITERATE RUSSIAN FORCES EXCEPT
FOR ONE MONUMENTAL FACT WE
CANNOT OVERCOME WHICH IS THAT
RUSSIA OWNS MORE THAN HALF THE
WORLD'S NUCLEAR ARSENAL.
BECAUSE OF THAT FACT THAT WE'RE
NOT GOING TO ESTABLISH A NO-FLY
ZONE.
>> THAT IS ABSOLUTELY
TERRIFYING.
I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING
HELPFUL FOR VIEWERS TO HEAR,
MOST AMERICANS I WOULD ARGUE DO
NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT A NO-FLY
ZONE MEANS.
UKRANIAN CITIZENS' FIERCE
RESISTANCE AND LOGISTICAL
SHORTCOMINGS, BUT IT WASN'T
ENOUGH TO STOP THE ADVANCE, IT
IS JUST SLOWING IT DOWN.
WE'VE SEEN RUSSIA INCREASE
ATTACKS INDISCRIMINATELY ON
CITIZENS, MEDIA REPORTS SUGGEST
THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SERIOUSLY
STEP UP ATTACKS ON MORE
NONMILITARY TARGETS, WHAT DO YOU
THINK THE UKRANIAN PEOPLE ARE
FACING NEXT AND TRULY HOW LONG
WILL THEY BE ABLE TO KEEP PUTIN
AT BAY? >> WELL, FIRST WE NEED TO PUT IT
>> WELL, FIRST WE NEED TO PUT IT
INTACT CALIPER PERCEPTIVE.
THE UNITED STATES INTELLIGENCE
ESTIMATES FOR CITY OF KYIV WAS
24 TO 48 HOURS THAT IT WOULD BE
SEIZED, THEN THEY EXPANDED THAT
OUT TO 7 DAYS.
THE UKRANIANS ARE FIGHTING AT A
LEVEL NO ONE EVER EXPECTED.
THE ACTUAL MOVEMENTS THAT ARE
TAKING PLACE, IGNORE NORTHWEST
OF KYIV, I THINK THAT'S A
CONVOY.
THEY JUST DON'T KNOW IT YET.
THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN KILLED.
THEY CAN'T MAKE ANY PROGRESS
WHATSOEVER.
IN THE SOUTH, ALL OF THE
ADVANCES, LAND BRIDGE THROUGH
MARIUPOL, TRYING TO TAKE
KHARKIV, MOVING OUT TO THE
EASTERN FLANK, THOSE ARE ALSO
VERY IMPORTANT.
BUT ONE THING WE'RE FOR GETTING,
THEY ARE EXTENDING THEMSELVES
BEYOND THEIR ABILITY TO FUEL
THEIR VEHICLES.
THEY ARE REALLY IN A POSITION
WHERE THEY CAN BE COUNTER
ATTACKED AND CUT OFF.
WHEN YOU SEE MAPS LIKE THE ONE
YOU HAVE DISPLAYED THERE, IGNORE
THE RED IN THOSE LINES.
THE ONLY THING THEY ACTUALLY
CONTROL ARE ROADWAYS LEADING TO
THOSE TOWNS AND CITIES AND
PERHAPS SOME OF THE TOWNS AND
CITIES THEMSELVES LIKE WE SAW,
WHICH I THOUGHT KEIR SONG WOULD
GO IN THE FIRST 24 HOURS, IT HAS
TAKEN A WEEK.
THIS IS A VERY SLOW WAR.
THAT SAID REALLY QUICKLY, NO-FLY
ZONE, WE DON'T NEED A NO-FLY
ZONE BECAUSE THE UKRANIANS HAVE
THEIR OWN AIR FORCE.
NOW WE FIND THE EUROPEAN UNION
IS PROVIDING A LAND LEASE
PROGRAM.
MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST FACILITATE,
REFUELING, REARMING, ALLOWING
THEM TO FLY ON THEIR OWN.
>> YOU'RE MAKING THE POINT OF
THE MILITARY MANTRA, AMATEURS
TALK STRATEGY, AND LOGISTICS.
YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW TO ENGAGE
SOME OF THIS.
CONGRESSMAN, WHAT MALCOLM IS
TALKING ABOUT IS HELPING TO
DISMANTLE SO TO SPEAK SOME OF
THE RUSSIAN ADVANCEMENT.
WHAT WE ARE SEEING PLAY OUT,
CONGRESSMAN, IS RUSSIA'S
MILITARY SEEMS ILL EQUIPPED TO
STRIKE AS QUICKLY AND FORCEFULLY
AS I THINK PUTIN WOULD HAVE
LIKED TO ENVISION.
I THINK IT IS INTERESTING THE
BREAKDOWN FOR VIEWERS, THE
DIFFERENCE IN THE SOLDIERS.
THERE ARE ACTUAL PEOPLE WHO ARE
IN THE ARMY AND THEN THERE ARE
CONTRACT SOLDIERS.
THERE ARE CONSCRIPT SOLDIERS AND
CONTRACT SOLDIERS AND THEY ARE
PAID SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN THE
OTHER SOLDIERS.
WHAT RUSSIA HAS IS A MORALE
PROBLEM.
GIVEN THAT, I KNOW THEY'LL PUT
MORE MERCENARIES ON THE GROUND.
GIVEN THAT, ANY CHANCE THE
UKRANIAN PEOPLE CAN STAND
AGAINST THIS RUSSIAN
ADVANCEMENT?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
SO ONE REASON WE'RE SEEING THE
RUSSIANS HAVE FAILED ATTACKS IS
BECAUSE OF THE TREMENDOUS WILL
AND SPIRIT OF THE UKRANIAN
PEOPLE.
IT IS INCREDIBLE, UNBELIEVABLE
TO WATCH.
ALSO BECAUSE WE ARMED THEM WITH
OVER $3 BILLION OF EQUIPMENT
SINCE 2014 AND WE SHOULD DO
MORE.
SINCE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE
TO ESTABLISH A NO-FLY ZONE, GIVE
THEM THE EQUIPMENT TO SHOOT DOWN
RUSSIAN PLANES, GIVE THEM
UNMANNED AERIAL COMBAT VEHICLES,
ENCOURAGE ADDITIONAL PLANES TO
BE TRANSFERRED FROM EASTERN BLOC
COUNTRIES THAT THE UKRANIAN AIR
FORCE IS USED TO FLYING.
THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO HELP THE
MILITARY AND CIVILIAN
POPULATION.
LET ME SAY, WHEN I WAS IN THE
MILITARY, WE WOULD DO JOINT
EXERCISES WHERE ALL WE DID WAS
MOVE PEOPLE AROUND.
WE DID THAT BECAUSE LOGISTICS IS
HARD, GETTING THE RIGHT
EQUIPMENT IN THE RIGHT PLACE,
HAVING ENOUGH FUEL, FEEDING
EVERYONE, AND IT IS CLEAR TO ME
THE RUSSIANS ARE VERY BAD AT
THIS, AND SOMETHING THAT WE CAN
ABSOLUTELY EXPLOIT.
AND ONE FINAL POINT.
WITH THESE RUSSIAN SOLDIERS IN
UKRAINE, I THINK THERE'S ABILITY
TO DO MASSIVE INFORMATIONAL
WARFARE.
LET'S GIVE THEM LOTS OF
INFORMATION WHILE THEY'RE IN
UKRAINE, WHY THEY SHOULD LEAVE,
WHY THEY'RE FIGHTING A WAR NO
ONE WANTS.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
MALCOLM, YOU'RE GOING TO STICK
AROUND, I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS
FOR YOU.
AS WE GO TO BREAK, I WANT TO
SHOW VIEWERS SOME OF THE SPIRIT
OF THE UKRANIAN PEOPLE.
THIS IS A VIRAL VIDEO OF A
UKRANIAN GRANDMOTHER TAUNTING A
RUSSIAN SOLDIER WITH SUNFLOWER
SEEDS.
NBC NEWS HASN'T CONFIRMED
DETAILS WHERE AND WHEN THIS TOOK
PLACE.
YOU SEE A WOMAN IN UKRAINE,
TELLS A SOLDIER PUT THESE SEEDS
IN YOUR POCKET SO THEY GROW FROM
THE SOIL WHEN YOU DIE WHICH WILL
ALWAYS BE UKRANIAN SOIL.
THAT ENCOMPASSES SOME OF THE