>> Gillian: ANTI-ABORTION GROUPS
ARE ACCUSED THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT FOR A DOUBLE
STANDARD.
DOZENS OF DECISIONS HAVE BEEN
TARGETED AFTER THE OVERTURNING
OF ROE V. WADE.
MOLLIE HEMMINGWAY IS HERE.
BUT FIRST, WE GO TO DAVID SPUNT.
HE JOINS US LIVE FROM THE
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
HI, DAVID.
>> HI, GILLIAN.
THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS
USING THE FREEDOM OF ACCESS TO
CLINIC ENTRANCES ACT OR THE FACE
ACT.
IT’S A 1994 LAW THAT WAS SIGNED
IN TO LAW BY THEN PRESIDENT BILL
CLINTON AND ITS AIMED AT
PUNISHING PEOPLE THAT ARE USING
OR THREATEN TO USE FORCE OR
INTERFERE WITH ANY ONE SEEKING
ABORTION SERVICES OR PRO LIFE
PREGNANCY COUNSELLING SERVICES.
PRO LIFE GROUPS ARE CALLING
FOUL.
WHILE THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
HAS PLENTY OF CASES PENDING
COURT AGAINST THOSE THAT HAVE
ATTACKED ABORTION CLINICS, WE
HAVE NOT SEEN ONE INSTANCE WHERE
SOMEONE WAS CHARGED FOR
ATTACKING A PRO LIFE PREGNANCY
CENTER.
WE’RE TALKING ABOUT FEDERAL
CHARGES.
THE FBI HAS SEEN AN UNUSUAL
UPTICKS ON PRO LIFE CENTERS
FOLLOWING THE OVERTURNS OF ROE
V. WADE.
THIS IS A FACT BECAUSE FBI
DIRECTOR CHRISTOPHER WRAY TOLD
US THIS SUMMER.
WATCH.
>> THERE’S A RIGHT WAY UNDER OUR
FIRST AMENDMENT TO EXPRESS
YOURSELF.
VIOLENCE AND DESTRUCTION OF
PROPERTY IS NOT IT.
THAT’S WHAT THE RULE OF LAW IS
ALL ABOUT.
WE HAVE SEEN A NUMBER OF ATTACKS
AGAINST FAITH-BASED
ORGANIZATIONS, PREGNANCY
RESOURCE CENTERS.
>> GILLIAN, 26 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN
INDICTED UNDER THE FACE ACT.
ALL OF THEM ATTACKED PRO
CHOICE-RELATED BUSINESSES OR
ABORTION CLINICS.
THERE’S ZERO INDICTMENTS OR PRO
LIFE CENTERS.
WE’VE ASKED THE DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE FOR MORE.
THEY POINT US TO THEIR WEBSITE
THAT SHOWS US THE NUMBER OF
ARRESTS.
I SPOKE TO AN OFFICIAL WITH THE
FBI.
I’M TOLD THE FBI CONTINUES TO
INVESTIGATE ON BOTH SIDES OF
THIS.
THEY DON’T LOOK AT IDEOLOGY AND
THEY ARE MAKING THESE ARRESTS
AND PUTTING THESE INVESTIGATIONS
TOGETHER.
IT’S JUST UP TO DOJ TO
PROSECUTE, GILLIAN.
>> Gillian: DAVID SPUNT FROM THE
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT FOR US.
THANK YOU.
LET’S BRING IN MOLLIE
HEMMINGWAY, SENIOR EDITOR OF THE
FEDERALISTIC AND A FOX NEWS
CONTRIBUTOR.
SO MOLLIE, YOU HEARD DAVID’S
REPORTING THERE.
THE FBI SAYS THIS IS A
COINCIDENCE.
PROSECUTING 26 CONCURRENT CASES
AGAINST PRO LIFE CLINICS AND
ZERO AGAINST PRO ABORTION
CLINICS.
SO THE NUMBER OF ATTACKS ARE
PRETTY EQUAL IN TERMS OF
NUMBERS.
>> I’M NOT SURE IF THE
COMPARISON WORKS THERE, TOO.
THE ATTACKS ON CHURCHES AND PRO
LIFE CENTERS AND MATERNAL CARE
CENTERS ARE VIOLENT.
THERE’S BEEN FIRE BOMBINGS,
THERE’S BEEN AN ASSASSINATION
ATTEMPT AGAINST A SITTING
SUPREME COURT JUSTICE, ATTACKS
ON THESE PEOPLE’S HOMES.
THE PROSECUTIONS OF PRO LIFE
PROTESTERS UNDER THE FACE ACT
ARE OF NONVIOLENT PROTESTERS.
THEY’RE SITTING IN AND BLOCKING
CLINIC ACCESS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THE FACE
ACT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
SO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS
GOING HARD AGAINST THESE
NONVIOLENT PRO LIFE PROTESTERS.
BUT THERE’S BEEN NO PROSECUTIONS
AGAINST THE VIOLENT ATTACKS
AGAINST PRO LIFE CHURCHES AND
CENTERS.
EVEN THOUGH THERE’S BEEN GROUPS
THAT HAVE BEEN TAKING CREDIT FOR
IT A TERRORIST GROUPS CALLED
JANE’S REVENGE THAT HAS A TAG
LINE THAT SAYS IF ABORTION IS
NOT SAFE, THEN NEITHER ARE YOU.
SO THERE’S SOMEBODY CLAIMING
RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS BUT THE
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS NOT
INTERESTED.
>> Gillian: WHY IS THERE AN
UPTICK IN VIOLENCE AND THREATS
AGAINST PRO LIFE CENTERS IN THE
FIRST PLACE?
MEANING THE UNDERLYING KIND OF
ASSUMPTION THERE IS THAT THERE’S
SOME SORT OF CONNECTION BETWEEN
CENTERS THAT CHOOSE NOT TO OFFER
ABORTION SERVICES AND THE RULING
BY THE SUPREME COURT.
>> YEAH, THESE MATERNAL CARE
CENTERS, AS THEY SOUND LIKE
GROUPS IN PLACES WHERE WOMEN WHO
ARE NEEDING HELP WITH THEIR
PREGNANCY OR WITH THEIR YOUNG
CHILDREN CAN GET HELP, THEY CAN
GET CLOTHING AND GOODS AND JUST
LIKE SUPPORT FOR GETTING JOBS
AND OTHER THINGS.
IT’S VERY INTERESTING THAT
JANE’S REVENGE AND OTHER
TERRORIST GROUPS LIKE THEM ARE
ATTACKING THAT CHOICE THAT SOME
WOMEN MIGHT MAKE TO GIVE BIRTH
TO THEIR CHILDREN AND RAISE
THEM.
>> YOU HEARD FROM THE FBI
DIRECTOR.
THAT WAS FROM JULY, RIGHT?
HE CONDEMNS VIOLENCE AGAINST
EVERYBODY INCLUDING PRO LIFE
PRACTITIONERS AND THE LIKE.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, DOES
THAT SUFFICE THE COMMENTS THREE
MONTHS AGO?
HAVE YOU SEEN ANY OTHER ACTION
OR VERBIAGE OUT OF THE
ADMINISTRATION TO DISSUADE THIS
KIND OF VIOLENCE?
>> WHEN THESE PEOPLE TESTIFY IN
CONGRESS OR GIVE INTERVIEWS,
THEY SAY THE RIGHT THING.
WHEN IT COMES TO ACTUAL ACTION,
IT’S BIZARRE WHAT IS HAPPENING.
IT’S NOT JUST IN THE DOUBLE LIFE
STANDARD.
IT’S IN THINGS LIKE VIOLENT
RIOTS THAT WE SAW IN 2020 WHERE
FEDERAL COURTHOUSES, POLICE
PRECINCTS, THE WHITE HOUSE WERE
VIOLENTLY ATTACKED WITH VERY
LITTLE CONCERN FROM THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE RELATIVE
TO THE RIOT AT THE CAPITOL,
WHICH HAS BEEN THE LARGEST
PROSECUTION AND INVESTIGATION IN
THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE’
HISTORY.
SO MOST PEOPLE WANT BAD THINGS
PROS CUTED.
THEY WANT LAWS FOLLOWED.
THE DEPARTMENT FOR THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE THEY’RE
CARTOONISHLY GOING AFTER
POLITICAL ENEMIES AND PROTECTING
POLITICAL ALLIES.
>> THIS IS FORMER VICE PRESIDENT
PENCE SPEAKING AT AN EVENT THIS
WEEK.
HE WAS BOOED BY PROTESTERS AT
GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY.
THEY WERE EBBSSENTIALLY PROTESTI
HIS ANTI-ABORTION STANCE.
AS THE STUDENTS LEFT IN A FAIRLY
LARGE GROUP, THE VICE PRESIDENT
SAID -- THE FORMER VICE
PRESIDENT SAID IT SEEMS LEADERS
IN THIS NATION’S CAPITOL HAVE
NEVER BEEN MORE OUT OF TOUCH.
MORE INTENT ON IMPOSING THEIR
AGENDA OR WORKING OUT ON PEOPLE
THAT MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT
POINT OF VIEW.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT
KERFUFFLE?
>> A LOT OF AMERICANS SHARE THIS
CONCERN.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE
LIKE IS YOU’RE ABLE TO TOLERATE
OTHER PEOPLE.
WE SEEM TO HAVE LOST OUR CULTURE
OF OPEN AND FREE DEBATE.
PEOPLE WANT TO SHUT DOWN VOICES
OR WALK OUT, NOT LISTEN.
THAT’S NOT GOOD FOR THE FUTURE
HEALTH OF OUR REPUBLIC.
I WONDER IF WE’RE AT A TIPPING
POINT RIGHT NOW WITH SOCIAL
MEDIA COMPANIES HAVING BECOME SO
TOTALITARIAN, YOU’RE SEEING PUSH
BACK FROM CONSERVATIVES, BUT
JUST A LOT OF NORMAL PEOPLE
SAYING THIS IS NOT WHAT WE
SHOULD HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY.
>> Gillian: KIND OF THE WAY THAT
PEOPLE WRITE ABOUT POLICY MAKERS
AND SOCIAL MEDIA, SO AND SO
SLAMMED SO AND SO.
SO AND SO SMACKS DOWN SO AND SO.
THE RHETORIC IS ALL VERY
AGITATING.
>> YOU’RE ALLOWED TO DISAGREE.
THAT CAN HELP PEOPLE COME TO A
BETTER POLICY SOLUTION.
NOTHING IN OUR MEDIA ENVIRONMENT
IS WASHING TOWARDS PEOPLE TO