It's important
to rectify this story which is that
these technologies are exclusively used
for good purposes and for fighting evil
and for fighting crime and terrorism and all that.
(dog barking)
>> Okay, so-- no, Khadija is coming.
(chuckles)
>> Hi, Claudio.
>> (on phone): Hi.
>> So now tell me how bad it is.
>> (on phone): Okay, there are definitely some records
that, that indicate various points
where the phone seemed to have been compromised.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> (voiceover): So I started feeling like
a plague doctor in the 1300s.
I'm basically kind of just keeping the death count.
I'm contributing to creating a trauma here,
and I can see it in many cases, like I can see it, that they are
right now, they're going through a dramatic moment,
and I'm like that person in the room that is breaking it.
(on phone): There are also some more recent records
from even as recent as early May of this year,
so until a couple of weeks ago.
But all in all, it seems like
this probably extended between 2019 and 2020.
2020 at the very least.
>> I've been told that you will not know
what exactly had been monitored or recorded.
>> Yeah, with this kinds of... kind of monitoring technology,
the point where they have that level of access to the device,
virtually everything is possible, so...
>> Yeah, thank you.
Have a good day, bye-bye.
Bye.
>> That's not great news. >> Yeah.
All night I've been thinking about
what did I do with my phone?
And I feel guilty.
I feel guilty to... for the messages I've sent.
I feel guilty for the information sources that,
that... who send me, thinking that
some encrypted messaging ways are secure.
They did it and they didn't know that my phone is infected.
I mean, my family members are also victimized.
The...
the sources are victimized, everyone.
I mean, people I've been working with,
people who told me their private secrets are victimized.
Everyone, I mean, it's not just me.
I, I put so many people in danger.
And...
And I'm angry.
Again, I'm angry, I'm angry with the government,
I'm angry with the companies that produce all these tools
and sell it to the bad guys,
like Aliyev's regime.
It, it's...
it's really... it's despicable.
It's heinous.
>> Khadija is not a terrorist, Khadija is not a criminal.
She's a journalist that is taking a lot of risk
to write some stories to make sure people will get access
to independent information.
So that was one more evidence
of the global misuse of that spyware.