You spoke to the January 6 congressional committee,
have you talked to Jack Smith's investigators?
>> Speaker 2: I'm not gonna get into that.
I can't.
>> Okay.
>> Listen, we don't have any evidence indicating that former
Attorney General Bill Barr spoke to and
cooperated with investigators in the January 6th investigation.
However, he is acting pretty suspicious, and if I were to speculate and
bet money on it, he's been cooperating with investigators.
With that said, let's hear more of what he had to say.
>> Speaker 1: You do look at the indictment,
do you think it's something you would have brought?
>> As a legal matter, I don't see a problem with the indictment.
I think that it's not an abuse.
The Department of Justice is not acting to weaponize
the department by proceeding against the president for
a conspiracy to subvert the electoral process.
The government has assumed the burden of proving that.
The government, in their indictment, takes the position that he had actual knowledge
that he had lost the election and the election wasn't stolen through fraud.
And they're gonna have to prove that beyond a reasonable doubt.
>> Which is a high bar, of course.
>> It's a high bar.
Now, that leads me to believe that we're only seeing a tip of the iceberg on this.
>> Speaker 1: You think Jack Smith has more?
>> Speaker 2: Yes, I would believe he has a lot more.
And that's one of the things that impressed me about the indictment.
It was very spare, and there were a lot of things he could have said in there.
And I think there's a lot more to come, and
I think they have a lot more evidence as to President Trump's state of mind.
>> Speaker 3: Boy, he sure does know a lot about what's to come for
someone who isn't disclosing whether he's cooperating with the investigation.
Cenk, what say you?
>> Speaker 4: First, I want to commend Kaitlan Collins for
doing the awkward pause.
>> Totally.
>> Because it just highlighted how he really, really doesn't want to answer that
question, which then let us all know he clearly talked to the prosecutors, and
that's why he's also saying they got a lot more evidence than that.
And as if to say, believe me,
I know because I'm part of the people who gave him that evidence.
Look, so Bill Barr, the context has to be given for him.
Bill Barr is not a normal person in politics.
He's not a normal conservative.
He is extreme right wing.
>> Speaker 4: Yeap. >> He's from the unitary executive
authority branch of the right wing movement, part of the reason that he made
a big public case for Donald Trump before he was even in the administration,
protecting him from the impeachments.
And part of the reason he joined the Trump administration is because he liked
the idea of how much they could abuse executive authority.
That is what he has been wanting to do his whole life.
He's in that Dick Cheney school, but not in the Dick Cheney school against Trump.
He was perfectly happy to have Trump do it.
That's why he became as an attorney general, and he covered for
him in 18 different ways, including the Mueller report,
where he totally misrepresented what the Mueller report did.
So this guy's a little bit to the right of Attila the Hun on the right wing spectrum,
and even this guy is, guys, what are you doing?
He's obviously guilty.
He's the most guilty man in America.
And he is, I was there, am the, look- >> Speaker 3: You need
to elaborate on what this guy's genuine beliefs are, right?
Because it shows you that Trump went too far, even for him.
The ideology that people like Bill Barr
have seeks to disempower Congress to solidify and
increase power in the executive branch.
And by the way, I mean, Trump gave a speech fairly recently where he outlined
exactly how he wants to do that.
And so given that Trump wanted to pull this stunt in essentially
overturning the results of the election in order to remain in power,
you would assume that someone like Bill Barr would want to provide cover for him.
But Bill Barr is not providing cover for him, which shows you that, and
remember he's very close to Trump, he's his attorney general, and
he is willing to go against Trump in a very public way after providing cover for
him throughout Trump's administration.
With that said, go ahead, Cenk.
>> Speaker 4: Yeah, so look guys, this also shows you why the unitary executive
theory is insanity and very dangerous, because the two guys who have been in
government recently that are most in favor of it are Bill Barr and John Bolton.
And that's why they went to go work for Trump in the first place,
because they thought, this is the one guy who could execute the unitarian executive.
Then they come to work for him, they realize, my God,
this guy's a lunatic, and we don't want him having that power.
Yeah, duh, that's why we don't want any dictator, because Bill Barr doesn't get
to pick the dictator, John Bolton doesn't get to pick him.
Usually, dictators pick themselves.
And so Trump has decided to pick himself.
And if you're wondering, well, now Trump is,
lit into Bill Barr in 18 different ways, calling him every insult in the book.
And since I can't stand Bill Barr to begin with,
I'm very open to the idea that Bill Barr is then going, yeah, well,
then I'm gonna do strike back, cuz I'm a right winger too, and I could fight back.
No, to be fair to Bill Barr, all of this started,
remember he was with Trump all the way to the end, right?
All this started when Trump said, now reverse the election for me,
even though I lost.
And Bill Barr is, well, look, I want you to have tons of power.
I want any president to have tons of power.
I want you to be able to ignore Congress but
we're not gonna ignore elections, are we?
And Trump is, of course we are.
What did you think we were doing here?
>> Speaker 3: Yeah, Bill Barr just wants the tip.
He doesn't want full blown dictatorial regime.
>> Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's beginning to realize, when you root for dictatorship,
you might not get what you thought you were gonna get.
And so on the evidence, Trump is, well, how about the Mules and
the Krakens and stuff?
And he is, Mr President, that evidence is I can't say the full word here, but BS.
And he said the real thing.
He's like, it's not remotely true.
The Justice Department checked 100 times over, we want you to win, but you didn't.
>> Speaker 3: Now, so during this interview with Kaitlan Collins,
he notes that at first he was willing to kinda give Trump the benefit of
the doubt when he seemed to believe that he actually won the election,
that it was stolen from him.
But he quickly reversed that generosity toward Trump.
Let's watch this video.
>> Speaker 1: Do you think he knew that he lost the election?
>> Speaker 2: Do I personally believe that?
At first I wasn't sure, but
I have come to believe that he knew well that he had lost the election.
Comments from people like Bannon and Stone before the election
saying that he was gonna claim it was stolen if he was falling
behind on election night, and that that was the plan of action.
I find those statements very troubling.
And then you see that he does that on election night.
And then the evidence that has come out since that the press reports and
the indictment and his lack of curiosity as to what the actual
facts were just please me, that's my personal opinion.
That's my personal opinion,
and we'll see if the government can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
>> Speaker 3: Now, that is his personal opinion,
something that you should absolutely keep in mind as I share with
you the fact that he would potentially still be willing to vote for
Trump if he were the Republican nominee for the 2024 election.
Kaitlan Collins asked him about it, and he said, quote, I will have
to wait to see what the situation is, and I will pick my poison at that point.
>> Speaker 4: Because he hates the Democrats and he hates Joe Biden.
And so these guys, I mean, look, to be fair to them,
if it turned out that the Democratic candidate was a complete criminal and
then I had to stomach voting for a Republican like Ted Cruz,
I would be talking about picking your poison too.
So I get that perspective, he really, really, really wants to vote for
a Republican, but the guy is definitely a criminal, and
he definitely tried to overthrow our democracy and do a coup.
Bill Barr was at the scene of the crime.
I mean, he was right there when they determined for
sure that there was not fraud in the election.
Trump knew that with absolute certainty and
went to try to steal the election anyway.
So, look, guys, last thing on this is, in any real world, there is no mean question,
I mean he says, we'll have to see, that's my personal opinion.
What's the opinion?
There's fake electors.
They signed a document and handed into Congress.
It's an absolute crime.
They were not the real electors.
It's not even close.
Did Donald Trump order it?
Of course he ordered it.
Who else ordered it?
Was it Hugo Chavez?
Was it Walter Mondale?
No, of course Trump ordered it.
And now his last line of defense is he's saying, my lawyers made me do it.
And he's throwing Rudy Giuliani and John Eastman under a bus.
By the way, the world's worst plan.
Because I think there's only one, maybe two to three guys, but
certainly one of the top guys who could do any kind of damage to Trump is if
Giuliani gets on the stand because Trump threw him under the bus and says,
yeah, we planned this together.
And we knew that we hadn't won the election.
We were just trying to steal it.
And Trump keeps poking that bear cuz he pokes every bear,
because he'll throw anyone under the bus to try to save his own ass.
>> Speaker 3: Yeah, there's already reporting on that.
How he's planning on throwing Giuliani and Eastman under the bus.
We'll see how this all plays out.
>> Speaker 4: Yeah, and he threw Bill Barr under a bus.
And he threw Sessions under a bus.
By the way, of his 44 cabinet members that he had throughout
his four years in office, only four are supporting him.
Only 4 out of 44, because the other 40 saw him in action.
They're, and they went excitedly to go work for him, and
then they come out of building no, not him.
The guy's a lunatic.
The guy's a total lunatic, right?
And the MAGA guys are, no, don't believe it.
I don't believe every single person who has ever had contact with him saying,
this guy's crazy and a criminal.