>> KEIR SIMMONS, THANK YOU SO
MUCH.
ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU.
>>> 34 DAYS AFTER THE ELECTION,
PRESIDENT TRUMP’S LEGAL TEAM
CONTINUES ITS FRUITLESS EFFORTS
TO FIGHT THE BIDEN WIN IN COURT.
THEY FILED MORE THAN 50 LAWSUITS
NOW AND LOST THE MAJORITY OF
THEM.
ON FRIDAY ALONE, COURTS IN FIVE
STATES, NEVADA, MICHIGAN,
MINNESOTA, ARIZONA, AND
WISCONSIN, ALL TOSSED OUT OR
REJECTED CLAIMS OF FRAUD AND
MISCONDUCT.
ONE JUDGE CALLING THE EFFORTS
BIZARRE.
SO FAR, NO COURT HAS FOUND A
SINGLE INSTANCE OF FRAUD.
THE PRESIDENT’S CLAIMS, THOUGH,
APPEAR TO HAVE BOOSTED EFFORTS
IN SOME STATES TO MAKE IT MORE
DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO REGISTER
TO VOTE.
NBC HAS NEW REPORTING TO VOTE.
NBC’S JAMES TIM HAS NEW WORK FOR
THE CLAIMS LAYING THE GROUNDWORK
FOR DISENFRANCHISING VOTERS.
ALSO WITH US, EDDIE GLOUS,
CHAIRMAN OF STUDIES AT PRINCETON
UNIVERSITY AND AN MSNBC
CONTRIBUTOR.
GOOD MORNING TO BOTH OF YOU,
JANE IN YOUR REPORTING, YOU DO
SINGLE OUT GEORGIA WHICH, OF
COURSE, IS THE STATE WHERE THAT
STATEWIDE VOTING IS HAPPENING
SOONER THAN ANYBODY.
WHAT’S HAPPENING THERE AS WE
SPEAK?
>> IN GEORGIA, IT’S BEEN A
PERFECT MICROCOSM OF WHAT WILL
WE’RE GOING TO SEE AROUND THE
COUNTRY.
GEORGIA OFTEN LEADS THE WAY WHEN
IT COMES TO VOTER RESTRICTIONS.
THEY WERE FIRST TO DO VOTER
RESTRICTED I.D. AT THE POLLS.
YOU SEE MICHIGAN, LOOK, THEY DID
NOT HAVE FRAUD.
THIS WAS A SECURE, SAFE
ELECTION, RESULTS ACCURATE.
THEY DEFENDED THOSE RESULTS BUT
THEY’RAL CALLING FOR MORE
RESTRICTIONS.
SECRETARY OF STATE RAFFENSPERGER
IS CALLING FOR ANOTHER LAYER OR
STEP IN THE MAIL-IN VOTING.
AND CHALLENGING THE RESIDENCY.
BECAUSE HE SAYS THE FEDERAL LAW
DIDN’T MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR HIM
TO CLEAN THE VOTER ROLLS UP.
WE’RE NOT SEEING A LOT OF
EFFORTS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO
CHANGE HOW YOU DO VOTER
REGISTRATION.
BUT WE ARE SEEING EFFORTS TO
MAYBE TIGHTEN IS UP A LOT.
THEY’RE SAYING, LOOK, PEOPLE
FEEL CHEATED.
WE HAVE TO MAKE THE LAWS
STRICTER.
IT’S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THERE’S
NO EVIDENCE OF VOTER FRAUD.
SO YOU’RE FIGHTING A TOPIC THAT
WE DON’T SEE IN AMERICAN
ELECTIONS.
>> YEAH, WE’VE SAID THAT OVER
AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, EDDIE.
AND YET, THE PRESIDENT SPEAKING
IN GEORGIA HE’S SAYING I
ACTUALLY WON HERE.
NO YOU DIDN’T, YOU LOST BY
12,000 VOTES BUT HE CONTINUES TO
SAY THE REASON HE LOST IS
BECAUSE OF THIS UNFOUNDED VOTER
FRAUD.
WHAT CONCERNS YOU DO YOU HAVE,
EDDIE, ABOUT THE LONG-TERM
EFFECTS OF THIS CONSTANT
DRUMBEAT?
WHAT, FIRST, GREAT TO SEE YOU,
CHRIS.
ONE IS THAT IT’S GOING TO
FURTHER ERODE CONFIDENCE AND
TRUST IN OUR DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.
IT’S NOT SO MUCH -- THE CONCERN
SHOULD NOT BE SO MUCH WHETHER OR
NOT DONALD TRUMP IS SUCCESSFUL
IN THIS MOMENT BUT WHAT IS HE
UNLEASHING.
AND THAT IS THIS GENERAL SENSE
OF THE ILLEGITIMACY.
PROCESS.
THAT’S THE FIRST CLAIM.
THE SECOND CLAIM IS THIS, WE
NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS QUESTION
AROUND VOTER FRAUD AND WHAT
FOLLOWS FROM IS IT.
IT’S NOT REDUCIBLE FROM DONALD
TRUMP.
DONALD TRUMP IS A CARICATURE OF
A PROCESS THAT’S BEEN A PART OF
THE PARTY’S PLAYBOOK FOR A LONG
TIME.
A LOT OF US HAVE BEEN SHOUTING
FOR A LONG TIME, THE CLAIMS AND
VOTER FRAUD, THAT JUSTIFY VOTER
FRAUD LAWS, TO JUSTIFY VOTERS IN
SOME WAY WERE IN FACT IGFIGMENTS
PEOPLE’S IMAGINATIONS.
THIS IS, CHRIS, WHAT HAS BEEN
TRYING TO UNDERMINE OUR
DEMOCRACY.
WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS
HISTORICALLY, AND WHAT IT’S
DOING IN THE PRESENT AND THE
WARNING IT’S SUGGESTING BY GOING
FORWARD.
>> AND THEN THERE’S ANOTHER
LAYER OF THIS, JANE, WHICH YOU
WRITE ABOUT WHICH IS THE ATTACK
ON MAIL-IN VOTING, RIGHT?
>> YEAH.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE HADN’T
LOOKED AT MAIL-IN VOTING LAWS
AND RULES THAT REGULATE IT FOR A
LONG TIME BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE
DIDN’T VOTE THAT WAY.
COUNT THIS WOULD HAVE HUNDREDS
OF MAIL-IN BALLOTS, NOT TENS OF
THOUSANDS, MILLIONS OF MAIL-IN
BALLOTS.
I THINK YOU’LL SEE PEOPLE TRY TO
TIGHTEN UP THOSE RULES BECAUSE
THEY’VE ARGUED, PRESIDENT TRUMP
HAS ARGUED, THEY WERE LESS
SECURE IN THIS ELECTION.
AGAIN NO EVIDENCE OF THAT.
GETTING BACK TO WHAT EDDIE SAYS,
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT
CONVERSATION.
TRUMP HAS CONVINCED MILLIONS OF
PEOPLE THAT ELECTIONS ARE
INSECURE.
IT USED TO BE THE KIND OF THING
YOU HEARD IN STATE HOUSES NOT
AROUND DINNER TABLE
CONVERSATIONS AT HOME.
>> I NEVER HEARD IT ON THE
CAMPAIGN TRAIL.
I CAN’T TELL YOU HOW OFTEN I’VE
HEARD IT OVER THE LAST SIX
MONTHS OR SO, EDDIE.
I’M DESPERATELY LOOKING FOR ANY
KIND OF A SILVER LINING HERE SO
FEEL FREE TO SHOOT ME DOWN AS I
SAY THIS.
IS IT POSSIBLE SINCE MORE PEOPLE
NOW, AMID ALL OF THIS FIGHTING,
MORE PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THEIR
OWN RIGHTS, MORE PEOPLE WHOSE
RIGHT TO VOTE WON’T BE
CHALLENGED MAYBE WISER AND JOIN
THE FIGHT AS WELL.
ONCE AND FOR ALL, THIS
HISTORICAL PROBLEM THAT WE KNOW
EXISTS COULD BE ADDRESSED?
>> I THINK, ABSOLUTELY.
WE KNOW ORGANIZING ON THE
GROUND.
WE SEE WHAT HAPPENED FOR STACEY
ABRAMS WHEN THEY RAN FOR
GOVERNOR AND WHAT KEMP AND MOST
FOLKS DID.
AND THAT ORGANIZING ON THE
GROUND FROM THE ORGANIZATION,
HAD AN IMPACT AND A CONCRETE
EFFECT IN FLIPPING GEORGIA.
SO, YES, EVERYDAY ORDINARY FOLKS
ARE COMMITTED TO THEIR
DEMOCRATIC -- THEIR DEMOCRATIC
RESPONSIBILITY.
AND THEY KNOW THAT THERE ARE
FOLKS OUT HERE TRYING TO ROB
THEM OF IT BUT WE NEED TO
UNDERSTAND THIS VERY QUICKLY,
THIS IS AN ALL-OUT ASSAULT ON
AMERICAN DEMOCRACY.
IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE AND
IT IS THE CASE.
THIS IS WHAT THIS IS.
FOLKS DON’T WANT CERTAIN PEOPLE
TO VOTE AND WE NEED TO
UNDERSTAND IS THAT AS AN ALL-OUT
ASSAULT ON OUR DEMOCRACY.
>> VERY IMPORTANT, THE WEAPONS
MAY CHANGE, THE SOCIAL MEDIA,
THE SPEECHES THAT THE PRESIDENT
GIVES, BUT THE IMPACT REMAINS
THE SAME.
AND THE PROBLEM THAT IT CREATES
WHICH IS AN ASSAULT ON DEMOCRACY
ALSO REMAINS THE SAME.
THANKS TO BOTH OF YOU.
WHAT A GREAT WAY TO END THE
PROGRAM.
ACTUALLY SOME FACTS, IMAGINE
THAT, JANE TIMM, I RECOMMEND