>> Chris: KEVIN CORKE
REPORTING FROM THE WHITE HOUSE,
THANKS FOR THAT.
JOINING US NOW, STEPHEN MILLER,
SENIOR ADVISOR TO THE PRESIDENT,
WELCOME BACK TO
"FOX NEWS SUNDAY."
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME, CHRIS.
>> Chris: LET'S START WITH THE
HOUSE DEMOCRATIC SUBPOENAS OF
THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF A
MASSIVE SET OF DOCUMENTS AS WELL
AS FIVE WITNESSES FOR THIS WEEK.
IT WILL PRESIDENT TRUMP COMPLY
WITH THE HOUSE SUBPOENA?
>> TO >> Stephen: THAT'S GOING
TO BE BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT'S
ATTORNEYS, WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL'S
OFFICE AND THE HOUSE COMMITTEE.
I HAVE NO NEWS UNFORTUNATELY TO
MAKE ON THAT ISSUE BUT WHAT I DO
WANT TO SAY IS THAT I THINK IT'S
UNFORTUNATE THAT THE MEDIA
CONTINUES TO DESCRIBE THIS
INDIVIDUAL IS A WHISTLE-BLOWER
AND HONORIFIC THAT THIS
INDIVIDUAL MOST CERTAINLY DOES
NOT DESERVE.
A PARTISAN HIT JOB DOES NOT MAKE
YOU A WHISTLE-BLOWER JUST
BECAUSE YOU GO THROUGH THE
WHISTLE-BLOWER PROTECTION ACT.
>> Chris: WELL, FIRST OF ALL,
HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS A
PARTISAN HIT JOB, AND HOW DO YOU
KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT A
WHISTLE-BLOWER IN FACT UNDER
DNI, THE DEPARTMENT OF NATIONAL
INTELLIGENCE RULES -- WELL, YOU
KNOW WHAT, LET'S GO BACK TO
THIS, AND WE'RE GOING TO JUMP
AROUND A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I
DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE GOING TO GO
HERE.
HERE IS THE COMMENT FROM THE
DNI, THE ACTING DNI BEFORE
CONGRESS, JOE MAGUIRE, IN HIS
TESTIMONY THIS WEEK, TAKE A
LOOK.
>> I BELIEVE THAT THE
WHISTLE-BLOWER AND THE
INSPECTOR GENERAL HAVE ACTED IN
GOOD FAITH THROUGHOUT.
I HAVE EVERY REASON TO BELIEVE
THAT THEY HAVE DONE EVERYTHING
BY THE BOOK AND FOLLOW THE LAW.
>> Chris: THAT IS THE DIRECTOR
OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, JOE
MAGUIRE, A LIFETIME SERVANT OF
THIS COUNTRY, A NAVY SEAL, HE
SAYS THAT THE WHISTLE-BLOWER WAS
ACTING IN GOOD FAITH AND ACTION
BY THE BOOK.
ON WHAT BASIS DO YOU SAY THAT
THIS WAS A PARTISAN HIT JOB?
>> Stephen: FIRST OF ALL, IF
YOU READ THE SEVEN-PAGE NANCY
DREW NOVEL FOR THE
WHISTLE-BLOWER PUT TOGETHER, IT
DRIPS WITH CONDESCENSION,
RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION AND
CONTEMPT FOR THE PRESIDENT.
IT'S ALSO LUDICROUS ON ITS FACE.
IT DESCRIBES AN ELABORATE
COVER-UP THAT ALSO, BY THE WAY,
THE PRESIDENT DISCUSSED ON
SEAN HANNITY, APRIL 25TH.
WHAT KIND OF SECRET COVER OF ARE
YOU ALSO DISCUSSING ON THE
AIRWAVES OF FOX NEWS?
FURTHERMORE, THE
INSPECTOR GENERAL FOUND EVIDENCE
OF POLITICAL BIAS IN THE
INDIVIDUAL, WHICH IS NOT
DISPUTED BY ANYBODY --
>> Chris: WAIT A MINUTE.
HE ALSO -- BOTH THE DIRECTOR OF
NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AND
INSPECTOR GENERAL SAID THEY ALSO
FOUND HIS COMMENTS TO BE
CREDIBLE AND A MATTER OF URGENT
CONCERN AND THEY TURNED IT OVER
TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, SO
DESPITE ALL THAT, THEY THOUGHT
THAT THIS WAS A CREDIBLE -- A
COMPLAINT.
>> Stephen: AND THEY ARE
WRONG.
>> Chris: ON WHOSE BASIS?
>> Stephen: I WORK IN THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NOW FOR
NEARLY THREE YEARS.
I KNOW AT THE DEEP STATE LOOKS
LIKE.
I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
WHISTLE-BLOWER AND A DEEP STATE
OPERATIVE.
THIS IS A DEEP STATE OPERATIVE,
PURE AND SIMPLE.
PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T BEEN IN THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WHO HAVEN'T
WORKED IN THE WHITE HOUSE MEMO
MAY NOT APPRECIATE THIS BUT THE
SITUATION AS YOU HAVE A GROUP OF
UNTUATION AS YOU HAVE A GROUP OF
UNELATION AS YOU HAVE A GROUP OF
UNELECION AS YOU HAVE A GROUP OF
UNELECTON AS YOU HAVE A GROUP OF
UNELECTED AS YOU HAVE A GROUP OF
BUREAUCRATS WHO THINK
THAT THEY NEED TO TAKE DOWN THIS
PRESIDENT.
I'LL ATTEND INTERAGENCY MEETINGS
WHERE I KNOW FOR CERTAIN FACT IF
I DON'T BUY THE RIGHT PEOPLE AT
THE MEETING WILL LEAK.
IF I DON'T SAY THE RIGHT THING,
IT WILL GO TO THE HILL.
IF WE PROPOSE A POLICY IDEA THAT
THEY DON'T APPROVE OF, THEY WILL
WORK WITH DEMOCRATIC
APPROPRIATORS TO TRY TO BLOCK
IT.
IF THEY LICK THIS PRESIDENT'S
PHONE CALLS, THE PUBLISHER HIT
PIECES, THEY PUBLISH FAKE
STORIES.
THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS
CONTINUOUSLY FOR NEARLY THREE
YEARS AND THEIR MOTIVES AND
THEIR AGENDA IS CLEAR.
THIS IS ABOUT DO YOU WANT A
DEMOCRACY IN THIS COUNTRY OR DO
YOU WANT A DEEP STATE.
IT'S A BINARY CHOICE FOR THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE.
>> Chris: AGAIN, THIS PERSON
YOU ARE ACCUSING THEM ALL THE
SCUM OF THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL
INTELLIGENCE, JOE MAGUIRE, A
LIFELONG SERVANT OF THIS COUNTRY
SAID WAS ACTING IN GOOD FAITH
AND GOING BY THE BOOK.
ENOUGH WITH THE RHETORIC, LET'S
TALK ABOUT SOME SPECIFIC FACTS
IN THIS.
WHY DID PRESIDENT TRUMP USES
PRIVATE ATTORNEY RUDY GIULIANI,
AND AS WE JUST REPORTED, TO
OTHER PRIVATE LAWYERS TO TRY TO
DIG UP DIRT FROM THE UKRAINIAN
GOVERNMENT ON JOE BIDEN RATHER
THAN GOING THROUGH HIS
STATE DEPARTMENT?
>> Stephen: FIRST OF ALL, AND
MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHEN WE COULD
TALK ABOUT "DIGGING UP DIRT,"
IT'S AN INTERESTING CHOICE OF
WORDS.
ONE OF TWO THINGS IS TRUE,
CHRIS.
EITHER THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT,
OR PEOPLE ASSOCIATED WITH IT,
POSSESS A REAL AND ACTUAL
KNOWLEDGE OF CORRUPT DEALINGS BY
THE BIDEN FAMILY, OR THEY DON'T.
IF THEY DO, IS IT NOT IN THE
INTEREST OF ALL AMERICANS TO
KNOW THAT IS?
>> Chris: WE ARE GOING TO GET
TO THE BIDEN'S IN A MINUTE BUT I
ASK YOU A SPECIFIC QUESTION, I'D
LIKE A SPECIFIC ANSWER.
THE PRESIDENT HAS THE
STATE DEPARTMENT, HE'S GOT THE
CIA, HE'S GOT THE PENTAGON, HE'S
GOT A NUMBER OF OTHER AGENCIES.
WHY DID HE USE THREE PRIVATE
LAWYERS TO GET INFORMATION ON
BIDEN FROM THE UKRAINIAN
GOVERNMENT RATHER THAN GO
THROUGH ALL OF THE AGENCIES OF
HIS GOVERNMENT?
>> Stephen: TWO DIFFERENT
POINTS.
>> Chris: HOW ABOUT ANSWERING
MY QUESTION?
>> Stephen: JOHN DURHAM, AS
YOU KNOW --
>> Chris: WAIT A MINUTE, JOHN
DURHAM IS INVESTIGATING SOME A
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
I'M ASKING YOU A DIRECT
QUESTION, WHAT ARE THE PRESIDENT
USE PRIVATE ATTORNEYS RATHER
THAN GO TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT?
IF YOU DON'T KNOW, THAT'S AN
ACCEPTABLE ANSWER, BUT LET'S NOT
TALK ABOUT JOHN DURHAM, WHO WAS
INVESTIGATING THE TRUMP --
SPEECH OF THEIR TWO ISSUES --
>> Chris: WHY DID HE DO IT?
>> Stephen: I UNDERSTAND.
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE YOUR
QUESTION, I HAVE MY ANSWER.
THERE'S TWO ISSUES THAT WERE
BROUGHT UP A PHONE CALL --
>> Chris: IT'S A NONANSWER AT
THIS POINT.
>> Stephen: THERE WERE TWO
ISSUES BROUGHT UP IN THE PHONE
CALL.
ONE WAS UKRAINIAN KNOWLEDGE
ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE
COLLUSION INVESTIGATION THAT IS
INFLICTED SO MUCH PAIN AND
DAMAGE ON OUR COUNTRY.
MY POINT IS THAT THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS APPOINTED
SOMEBODY FROM THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT TO LOOK INTO THAT
ISSUE.
THEN THERE'S THE ADDITIONAL
MATTER OF UKRAINIAN CORRUPTION,
WHICH GIULIANI, AMONG OTHERS,
ARE LOOKING AT.
AND IT IS PROPER AND NATURAL FOR
FRANKLY ANYBODY CONCERNED ABOUT
THE FUTURE OF UKRAINE AND THE
UNITED STATES TO WANT TO KNOW
INFORMATION ABOUT CORRUPT
DEALINGS.
WHAT I FIND ASTONISHING, CHRIS,
IS THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SO
ENRAGED ABOUT AN EFFORT TO FIND
ANY TRUE AND ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE OF
FOREIGN CROOK DEALINGS RELATED
TO UKRAINE ARE THE SAME ONES WHO
HAVE BEEN USING THE FOREIGN
PRODUCED DOSSIER BY A BRITISH
SPY TO PUT THIS COUNTRY THROUGH
UNENDING POLITICAL TURMOIL.
SPIRIT I'M ASKING QUESTION AS TO
WHY -- I'M SIMPLY ASKING YOU A
QUESTION AS TO WHY THE PRESIDENT
DIDN'T USE HIS GOVERNMENT.
IF YOU APPARENTLY ARE NOT GOING
TO ANSWER THAT, I WILL ASK
ANOTHER QUESTION.
WHY DID THE PRESIDENT DECIDE TO
WITHHOLD $391 MILLION IN
MILITARY AID TO UKRAINE LAST
JULY?
THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED BY
CONGRESS?
>> Stephen: THE PRESIDENT HAS
BEEN CLEAR AND CONSISTENT ON
THIS ISSUE, NOT MERELY FOR THE
TIME IS BEEN IN OFFICE, HIS
WHOLE TIME AS A CANDIDATE AND
FRANKLY DECADES BEFORE THAT.
>> Chris: I SIMPLY ASKING WHY
IN JULY DID THEY DECIDE TO
WITHHOLD THE AID?
>> Stephen: THE PROBLEM OF
BURDEN SHARING IN UKRAINE AND
WITH OUR NATO ALLIES, HE'S BEEN
CLEAR AND CONSISTENT ON THIS
ISSUE.
PLUS THE MATTER OF UKRAINIAN
CORRUPTION.
FOR REASONS I CANNOT FATHOM, THE
MEDIA, WHICH IS ORDINARILY
INTERESTED IN SUNSHINE AND
TRANSPARENCY ABOVE ALL ELSE, IS
REMARKABLY UNSERIOUS ABOUT THE
INFORMATION UKRAINE POSSESSES
ABOUT THE CORRUPTION OF THE
PREVIOUS AT ADMINISTRATION --
>> Chris: OKAY, BUT LET'S JUST
MAKE THIS POINT.
IN MAY, AS PART OF A REGULAR
INTERAGENCY PROCESS, IN MAY, TWO
MONTHS BEFORE HE WITHHELD THE
AID, THE PENTAGON CERTIFIED TO
CONGRESS -- CERTIFIED, A FORMAL
PROCESS -- CERTIFIED TO CONGRESS
AFTER A RIGOROUS PROCESS AND
AFTER CONSULTATION WITH THE
STATE DEPARTMENT THAT UKRAINE
HAD MADE DRAMATIC PROGRESS IN
FIGHTING CORRUPTION AND THAT THE
AID SHOULD BE RELEASED.
WHY DID THE PRESIDENT, IF THE
ARGUMENT IS CORRUPTION, WHY DID
THE PRESIDENT GO AGAINST HIS OWN
PENTAGON AND HIS OWN
STATE DEPARTMENT?
>> Stephen: CHRIS, I DON'T
UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN ASK A
UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN ASK K
UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN ASK T
UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN ASK E
QUESTION WHILE AT THE SAME TIME
ADMONISHING THE PRESIDENT OR
WANTING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF
PERHAPS ONE OF THE BIGGEST
CORRUPTION SCANDALS CONCERNING
UKRAINE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS --
>> Chris: ARE NOT ADMONISHING
ANYBODY, ABSENTLY ASKING WHY DID
HE -- I MEAN THIS IS -- WITH ALL
DUE RESPECT, THIS IS AN EXERCISE
IN OBFUSCATION.
WHY DID THE PRESIDENT GO AGAINST
HIS OWN PENTAGON AND
STATE DEPARTMENT?
>> Stephen: THERE'S A TONE OF
JUDGMENT IN ALL OF YOUR
QUESTIONS, SO YES, YOU ARE
ADMONISHING --
>> Chris: THAT'S JUDGMENT ON
YOUR PART.
>> Stephen: I CAN'T SPEAK TO
EVERY MID-LEVEL AND LOW LEVEL
BUREAUCRAT IN THE U.S.
GOVERNMENT --
>> Chris: THIS IS THE DEPUTY
SECRETARY OF DEFENSE.
WHAT YOU CONSIDERED JOHN BROOD A
MINYAN IN THE STATE DEPARTMENT?
IN A PENTAGON?
>> Stephen: IT'S THE PRESIDENT
'HIS JOB AND SWORN DUTY TO
SAFEGUARD TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND
THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT'S
FOREIGN POLICY.
GETTING TO THE BOTTOM OF A
CORRUPTION SCANDAL IN UKRAINE IS
IN THE AMERICAN NATIONAL
INTEREST IF YOU WANT TO
UNDERSTAND WHY THAT COMPLAINT IS
SO OBVIOUSLY POLITICALLY BIASED,
WHEN HE SAYS THAT THE PRESIDENT
IS THREATENING NATIONAL SECURITY
BY TRYING TO EXPOSE
CORRUPTION -- WHEN HE SAYS, OR
SHE, THAT THE PRESIDENT IS
HURTING NATIONAL SECURITY BY
TRYING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF A
GIGANTIC SCANDAL THAT NOBODY HAS
ON EARTH, THE PRESIDENT IS THE
WHISTLE-BLOWER HERE.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES IS THE
WHISTLE-BLOWER IN THIS
INDIVIDUAL IS A SABOTEUR TRYING
TO UNDERMINE A DEMOCRATICALLY
ELECTED GOVERNMENT.
>> Chris: SABOTEUR, IS HE A
SPY?
IS A COMMITTING TREASON?
>> Stephen: I DO NOT KNOW --
>> Chris: THE PRESIDENT SAID
THAT, YOU KNOW.
>> Stephen: THE PRESIDENT
CORRECTLY POINTED OUT THAT THE
BEHAVIOR OF THIS INDIVIDUAL IS
CLOSE TO A SPY.
I DON'T KNOW WHO THE INDIVIDUAL
IS, ALL I KNOW IS AT SOME POINT,
CHRIS, WE HAVE TO FOCUS THE REAL
SCANDAL, WHICH IS THREE YEARS OF
DEEP STATE SABOTAGE.
>> Chris: I'M GOING TO TALK
ABOUT A DIFFERENT SCANDAL AND
YOU'LL BE VERY HAPPY THAT I'M
HEADED A TEAR.
THE PRESIDENT SAYS THE REAL
STORY IS THE CORRUPTION BY
VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND HIS SON
HUNTER BIDEN, WHO WAS ON THE
BOARD OF THE UKRAINIAN ENERGY
COMPANY.
HOW, SPECIFICALLY -- I'M GOING
TO GIVE YOU ONE MINUTE
UNINTERRUPTED -- HOW
SPECIFICALLY TO THE BIDENS BREAK
THE LAW IN UKRAINE?
>> Stephen: THE BURISMA
COMPANY, AS YOU KNOW, WAS UNDER
INVESTIGATION.
IT HAS A UKRAINIAN OLIGARCH
BEHIND IT WHO WAS UNDER
INVESTIGATION.
WE KNOW THAT THERE WAS SEVERE
CONCERNING THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION OF THE TIME ABOUT
BIDEN BEING APPOINTED AS THE
LEAD ON UKRAINIAN POLICY AND HIS
SON GETTING A LUCRATIVE $50,000
A MONTH DEAL WITH THE COMPANY.
THE SUN HAD NO EXPERIENCE IN THE
LEGAL ISSUES --
>> Chris: HOW DID YOU BREAK
THE LAW?
>> Stephen: KNEW NOTHING ABOUT
UKRAINIAN LAW AND NOTHING ABOUT
NATURAL GAS, THE ISSUE OF THE
HEART OF THE COMPANY.
THE BIDEN MEN THREATENED TO
WITHHOLD A BILLION DOLLARS IN
AID UNLESS THE PROSECUTOR WAS
FIRED.
>> Chris: YOU REALIZE THAT
ALSO THE INTERNATIONAL MONETARY
FUND, ALMOST EVERY OTHER
GOVERNMENT IN THE WEST WAS ALSO
ASKING FOR THAT PROSECUTOR TO BE
FIRED AND THAT IN FACT, IN FACT,
THERE WAS NO INVESTIGATION GOING
ON OF BURISMA, THE NAME OF THE
COMPANY AT THAT TIME.
>> Stephen: I DON'T KNOW THAT
TO BE TRUE.
>> Chris: IT IS TRUE.
>> Stephen: I KNOW WHAT PEOPLE
HAVE SAID BUT THE REALITY IS
THAT WHY IS THE MEDIA SO
OBSESSED WITH EVERY SINGLE
ASPECT OF THIS INVESTIGATION BUT
THEY DON'T WANT TO UNCOVER THE
POTENTIAL CORRUPT DEALINGS OF
HUNTER BIDEN AND HIS FATHER?
>> Chris: I HAVE ONE LESS
QUESTION TO ASK YOU AND I DO
WANT TO PUT THIS ON --
>> Stephen: WHILE THORNTON
ABOUT CHINA?
>> Chris: HERE IS THE
PROSECUTOR GENERAL OF UKRAINE
FOR THREE YEARS, INCLUDING THE
PERIOD DURING WHICH
PRESIDENT TRUMP SPOKE WITH
PRESIDENT ZELENSKY IN JULY OF
2019.
HERE HE IS THIS WEEK.
TAKE A LOOK.
>> I DON'T KNOW ANY VIOLATION OF
UKRAINIAN LAW -- ONCE AGAIN,
UKRAINIAN LAW, BY BIDEN AND
BIDEN JR.
>> Chris: HE WAS THE
PROSECUTOR GENERAL AT THE TIME
THE PRESIDENT CALLED THE
UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT -- SAYS
JOE BIDEN AND HIS SON DID
NOTHING WRONG.
>> Chris: IF YOU'RE GOING TO
USE THEM AS A WITNESS YOU HAVE
TO ALSO ANALOGIES MADE
INCREDIBLY DAMNING ALLEGATIONS
AGAINST UKRAINE AND THE
GOVERNMENT INVOLVING THE ORIGINS
OF THE 2016 RUSSIAN COLLUSION
EXPERIENCE E.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE A WITNESS
YOU HAVE TO TAKE ALL OF IT ARE
NONE OF IT.
YOU CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE, IT'S
NOT A BUFFET.
>> Chris: OKAY, BUT I GUESS
THE POINT IS IF HE IS CLEARLY
SAYING THOSE THINGS ABOUT
UKRAINE AND THE 2016 ELECTION,
HE'S NOT CARRYING WATER FOR
JOE BIDEN, HE SAYS JOE BIDEN --
YOU CAN'T PICK OR CHOOSE EITHER.
>> Stephen: I'M NOT.
>> Chris: YOUR SAYING "WE
AGREE WITH HIM ON THIS BUT WE
DON'T ON THE OTHER."
WELCOME TO THE BUFFET.
>> Stephen: I'M SAYING AN
INVESTIGATION IS URGENTLY NEEDED
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PATTERN OF
FACTS BUT THE SINGLE MOST
IMPORTANT POINT IS THIS.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IN 2016 SAID
WE WANT IN A COMPLETELY NEW
DIRECTION FOR OUR COUNTRY.
THEY ELECTED NEW LAWMAKERS AND
THEY ELECTED A NEW PRESIDENT TO
DELIVER THAT DIRECTION.
HE'S THE THE SOLE ELECTED PERSON
IN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH.
>> Chris: THAT'S NOT TRUE.
IT GOT THE VICE PRESIDENT AS
WELL.
>> Stephen: YES.
THE ALL EXECUTIVE POWER IS
VESTED IN THE PRESIDENT BUT
THERE ARE DEEP STATE OPERATIVES
WHO FOR THREE YEARS HAVE DONE
NOTHING BUT TRY TO LEAK,
UNDERMINE, HURT, AND HARM THE
ABILITY OF THIS PRESIDENT TO
INSTITUTE THIS CHANGE.
DO WE WANT TO BE GOVERNED BY AN
UNELECTED BUREAUCRACY OR BY A
DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED
PRESIDENT?
IS THE SOLE ISSUE FACING THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE.
>> Chris: THE ONLY POINT I
WOULD MAKE IT, AND I HAVE TO
MOVE ON, IS THAT IN 2018, THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE ELECTED