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David: All right, we're back on the show. Coming up on today's bonus show, we're going
to talk about a church in Arizona that's being protested because it looks like a mosque,
but it's not, it's actually a church. And we'll talk about the first actual death panels,
and they're more connected with Jan Brewer in Arizona than to any crazy liberal health
care reforms. And also, there's a bizarre shooting of two twin girls that's being called
a double suicide attempt. It's a bizarre story, Louis. We'll talk about all that and more
in the bonus show. But now I want to get to this John McCain situation on Don't Ask, Don't
Tell. I'll tell you, Louis, I've been giving John McCain kind of the benefit of the doubt
against my better judgment on Don't Ask, Don't Tell and on a number of social issues, and
I think I'm done with that. I think basically we can say we're done considering John McCain
to be even a reasonable arbitor of social issues, not except when it comes to the military,
which you might think would be the case given his background, but especially when it comes
to the military. Let me give you the background on this. I know you've been following this
closely, Louis, as a staunch advocate of gay rights. Cindy McCain, John McCain's wife,
the beer heiress, as some know her, did a NOH8, N-O-H-8, video for that campaign saying
that our political and religious leaders tell LGBT youth that they have no future, and later
she adds that they can't serve our country openly, clearly being critical of Don't Ask,
Don't Tell. Later, after basically all the progressive blogs did their homework and said,
hold... as if you needed any homework - hold on a second, what she's saying is not jiving
with what John McCain is saying. What is the position at the McCain household? Do they
have conflicting positions? She said, "I fully support the NOH8 campaign and all it stands
for and am proud to be a part of it, but I stand with my husband's stance on Don't Ask,
Don't Tell." So what is John McCain's stance? Well, four years ago, John McCain said he
would be open to eliminating Don't Ask, Don't Tell if the military were in favor of repealing
the policy. Now, at the last State of the Union Address, Barack Obama said he would
like to repeal Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and John McCain said we need to study that, we
need to look into it. Fair enough, I agree. We now have gotten information about a study
on Don't Ask, Don't Tell that will be coming out on December 1st. We already know the key
point, which is the results will indicate nothing bad will happen. As if we needed a
million-dollar study to figure that out. And it might actually be positive. The effects,
I think the wording it uses is the effects will be nonexistent, mixed, or positive. So
apparently that's not the right study for John McCain. Less than a month ago, he vowed
to filibuster any attempt to repeal Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and now after we have gotten
this leaked information, he's saying let's move the goalpost down the field. Let's change
what the goal is here. I'm going to play for you what John McCain now wants before he would
get behind repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell. It's going to become apparent to you right
away, if you're going to think about this critically in any way, that by the time what
McCain wants is actually completed, he'll be long gone from the Senate. Let's take a
look. [CLIP] John McCain: ... we need a thorough and complete study of the effects, not how
to implement a repeal, but the effects on morale and battle effectiveness. That's what
I want, and once we get this study, we need to have hearings and we need to examine it
and we need to look at whether it's the kind of study that we wanted. It isn't in my view
because I wanted a study to determine the effects of the repeal on battle effectiveness
and morale. What this study is designed to do is to find out how the repeal could be
implemented. [END CLIP] David: OK. No, John, that's actually not the case. The leaked...
the actual leaked information is what would the effect be? And the effect is, it would
be "positive, mixed, or nonexistent", which logic and reason would tell us, since Bill
Clinton first started talking about Don't Ask, Don't Tell, was the reality. So no, we
don't need a... now we need the study on the effects, Louis. Louis: Yeah, I'd be curious
on the logistics of studying... David: Something... Louis: The act of a repeal without having
a repeal. David: That's exactly right. So he wants to study the effects, which we can't
really do unless we do it. The way to study the effects of something is by doing that
something. Louis: Right. So what do you do? You repeal it in one group, in one division?
David: I don't know. Louis: It's ridiculous. David: So we've already done the hypothetical
survey. That's obviously looking good. He wants hearings as well, OK. Are we going to
have hearings again on something that has not happened yet? By the time everything he
wants done done, McCain will be long gone from the Senate. Louis: It's just filibustering.
David: It is, and Obama has to get it together and stop Don't Ask, Don't Tell. It's time
for him to really just say, "You know what?" Via a presidential order, Don't Ask, Don't
Tell is done. It's a pathetic, outdated policy. My words, not the president's. It is clearly
hurtful to the military. I think over 11,000... A year ago, we could identify over 11,000
people who were turned away or removed or did not join, and the "did not join" is very
hard to measure, Louis, very, very hard to measure, that's just an estimate. Announcer:
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