>>> MEANTIME, THERE IS IN THAT
HAS TAKEN STORM ACROSS THE
INTERNET.
NEW VIDEO TAKEN BY A BYSTANDER
SHOWING TWO MEN CLIMBING THE
NEWLY-REPLACED SOUTHERN BORDER
FENCE.
THIS VIDEO PROMPTED SOME
CRITICISM, BUT SOON AFTER ITS
RELEASE THE BORDER PATROL SAID
THE SYSTEM WORKED EXACTLY AS
DESIGNED.
HMM.
THE NATIONAL BORDER PATROL
COUNCIL'S VICE PRESIDENT AND
BORDER PATROL AGENT HECTOR GARZA
JOINING US NOW.
NICE TO SEE YOU, SIR.
APPRECIATE IT, AS ALWAYS.
SO THE FENCE IS SUPPOSED TO, OR
THE WALL IS SUPPOSED TO STOP
PEOPLE FROM COMING OVER, AND NOW
WE HAVE VIDEO OF A GUY COMING
OVER THE NEW WALL.
WHAT GIVES?
>> SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US
TO REALIZE THAT THESE DRUG
CARTELS WILL ALWAYS TRY ANYTHING
TO CONTINUE THEIR DRUG
SMUGGLING, THEIR HUMAN
TRAFFICKING, THEIR HUMAN
SMUGGLING.
THEY'LL ALWAYS TRY SOMETHING, SO
THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO
BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE RESOURCES
LIKE PHYSICAL BARRIERS, PROPER
MANPOWER.
BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS,
LELAND.
THIS VIDEO SHOWS ONLY ONE PERSON
MADE AB ILLEGAL -- AN ILLEGAL
ENTRY AND NOT MULTIPLE PEOPLE.
SO THIS WALL ACTUALLY WORKS, THE
TECHNOLOGY.
NOT ONLY THAT, THE HARD WORK OF
THAT BORDER PATROL AGENT MADE A
HUGE DIFFERENCE, AND WE MADE
SURE THAT THIS PERSON WAS
APPREHENDED.
LELAND: THIS FROM THE WASHINGTON
POST ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF
AGO, SMUGGLERS ARE SAWING
THROUGH NEW SECTIONS OF TRUMP'S
BORDER WALL WITH POWER TOOLS
THEY'RE ABLE TO BUY OFF THE
SHELF S. THIS A DESIGN FLAW?
WHAT GIVES HERE?
SEEMS LIKE YOU GUYS WOULD WANT A
WALL THAT IS INPENETRABLE.
>> AGAIN, IT JUST SHOWS DRUG
CARTELS WILL TRY ANYTHING.
WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS THESE DUG
CARTELS WILL ALWAYS TRY TO BUILD
BIGGER LADDERS, BUT THAT'S NOT
AN EXCUSE FOR US TO STOP TRYING
TO SECURE THE BORDER.
LELAND: RIGHT, YOU CAN'T -- I
KNOW WE ONLY HAVE VIDEO OF ONLY
ONE PERSON COMING OVER, BUT YOU
CAN'T TELL ME THERE HASN'T BEEN
SOME THAT YOU HAVEN'T CAUGHT,
RIGHT?
>> OF COURSE.
THERE'S GOT TO BE PEOPLE ALONG
THE ENTIRE BORDER.
BUT, AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE ONE GUY
IS JUMPING THE WALL OR TEN GUYS,
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE STOP
TRYING TO SECURE THE BORDER.
LELAND: NOBODY'S OARING THAT IT
MEANS YOU -- ARGUING THAT IT
MEANS YOU STOP TRYING, BUT IT
MIGHT ARGUE THAT WHAT WAS DONE
IN BUILDING THIS WALL ISN'T
WORKING.
>> I CAN TELL YOU FOR A FACT
WE'RE NOT SEEING GROUPS OF
10s, 20s PEOPLE JUMPING THIS
WALL.
NOT EVERYBODY CAN CLIMB THAT
WALL, NOT EVERYBODY CAN RAPPEL
DOWN THAT 30-FOOT WALL.
I WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME
CLIMBING THAT WALL.
IN THIS CASE ONE PERSON DID COME
ACROSS, I'M SURE THERE'S OTHERS
THAT HAVE TRIED AND HAVE BEEN
SUCCESSFUL, BUT THIS WALL IS
ACTUALLY WORKING, LELAND.
LELAND: SO WE HAVE THE IDEA THAT
THIS PART OF THE WALL IS
WORKING.
AS YOU LOOK AT THE BORDER AND,
OBVIOUSLY, NOT EVERYWHERE NEEDS
A WALL OR IS IT PRACTICAL TO
BUILD A WALL.
WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE AREA THAT
CAN BE SECURED BY A WALL HAS
BEEN, HOW MUCH MORE, SHALL WE
SAY, IS NEEDED?
>> SO WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE 50%
OF THE ENTIRE U.S. SOUTHERN
BORDER.
AND THAT, THOSE FIGURE CHANGE
DEPENDING ON THE TACTICS USED BY
THE SMUGGLERS.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE WALL AND
THE RGV VALLEY ARE, WE HAVE A
SECTOR THAT IS A VERY SECURE
PART OF THE BORDER.
BUT THEN YOU COMPARE THAT TO
PLACES IN TEXAS WHERE WE DON'T
HAVE A WALL, AND THAT'S WHERE
ALL THE ILLEGAL ENTRIES ARE
COMING IN.
THESE WALLS ALSO SHOW, LELAND,
ONCE A GROUP COMMITS TO COMING
INTO THE UNITED STATES AND JUMP
THAT WALL THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE
GOING TO DO, GUESS WHAT?
ONE WITH OF THEIR STRATEGIES IS
TO RUN BACK TO MEXICO AND GET
AWAY.
IN THIS CASE THEY'RE NOT GOING
TO BE ABLE TO EVADE CAPTURE AND,
AGAIN, THE TECHNOLOGY WORKED.
THE MANPOWER THAT WAS THERE, THE
DETECTION TECHNOLOGY, THE FIBER
OPTIC CABLE THAT WE HAVE IN
THOSE AREAS IN A 30-FOOT WALL IS
VERY GOOD.
LELAND: REAL QUICK I WANT TO ASK
YOU ABOUT THE REPORTS OF THE
16-YEAR-OLD BOY WHO DIED IN
CUSTODY.
TRAGIC, NO DOUBT.
NOBODY WANTS THESE KINDS OF
THINGS TO HAPPEN.
HAVE THERE -- WHAT HAS NOT
CHANGED, WHAT STILL NEEDS TO
CHANGE AFTER WE LEARNED ABOUT
DEPTHS IN CUSTODY, AFTER WE
LEARNED ABOUT MINORS IN CUSTODY,
WHAT HASN'T CHANGED AND WHO
HASN'T BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE
THAT ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN
AGAIN?
>> SO ONE BIG DIFFERENCE RIGHT
NOW THAT WE HAVE, LELAND, IS
THAT NOW OUR NUMBERS OF
APPREHENSIONS ARE ACTUALLY DOWN.
LELAND: BUT IF NUMBERS ARE DOWN,
SHOULDN'T THERE BE EVEN LESS OF
AN EXCUSE FOR SOMEBODY TO DIE?
>> YEAH, BUT WHEN THIS HAPPENED
WITH THIS BOY, WE WERE BEING
OVERWHELMED.
WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLEMENT WE
WERE OVERCAPACITY.
WE COULD NOT SEND ANYBODY TO
HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES.
WE COULDN'T SEND THEM TO FOSTER
HOMES.
WE COULDN'T DO ANY OF THAT
BECAUSE THERE WAS NO SPACE
AVAILABLE.
OUR BORDER PATROL AGENTS HAD NO
CHOICE BUT TO HOUSE THESE PEOPLE
IN OUR STATIONS WHICH WERE NOT
DESIGNED FOR LONG-TERM
DETENTION.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE RESULT OF
CONGRESS NOT ACTING AND NOT
GIVING US THE POPPER FACILITIES
AND THE PROPER FUNDING --
PROPER.
WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR FUNDING
FOR SUCH A LONG TIME, AND THIS
FALLS SQUARELY ON THE HANDS OF
CONGRESS.
LELAND: ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL TAKE THAT ISSUE TO THEM,