Zach, one of the most
recognizable people
CNN has identified from the indictment
is Trump political adviser Boris Epstein.
Yeah, Jake, the details
in this indictment
make very clear
that Epstein is
coconspirator number three,
even though his name is
obviously not mentioned
in the charging document. Itself.
In a couple of the specific details
that really make clear
it is,
Epstein is the reference
to a November 2020 press conference
held by then Trump
attorney Rudy
Giuliani, where he was talking about
various claims about voter fraud.
And, you know,
based on who we know was in attendance
and who wasn't,
Epstein is really
the only person
given the context in that diamond
who they could be referring to.
In the next
example is a mention of emails
that were sent between John Eastman.
Ken Cheeseburger were both attorneys
working for the Trump legal team.
And the third recipient
we know was Boris Epstein.
So really,
that allows us to nail down
who this individual coconspirator
number three was.
An attorney for one of the coconspirators
also apparently confirmed
their identity to CNN
That's right.
Former NYPD commissioner
Bernie Kerik, his attorney
confirming to us that he is
coconspirator number
five in this indictment.
And there are similarly details
that also help us identify
Kerik as the individual listed
as number five.
We know that
Bernie Kerik was deeply involved
with Rudy Giuliani's
legal team, trying to help
find evidence of widespread voter fraud.
And we know that Bernie Kerik
was specifically
at a White House meeting in November
20, 20 where Trump was present.
And these
and they were talking to a bunch
of state legislators from Pennsylvania,
trying to pressure them
to hold a special session in their bid
to overturn the election.
So his presence
at that meeting, in addition
to the confirmation from his lawyer,
made clear.
We also know that another individual
coconspirator, number
six, is also at that meeting in November.
2020 Phil Waldron, an election denial,
a member of Giuliani's team.
We were able to find out through
context clues
and his
attendance at that meeting
that he too
is one of the unnamed individuals.
Also, CNN
was able to piece together
the identity
of two other unnamed individuals
using surveillance video
from the Coffee County Election Center
As you know, the Coffee
County Voting System Bridge
was really a key
part of the
of the indictment from Fulton County D.A.
Finally Willis.
And we had previously obtained
hours and hours of surveillance video
showing various operatives coming in
and out of the elections office.
But there's only two individuals
who were
let into that election office
on January 1820 21.
And those are Doug
Logan, the cyber ninjas CEO.
We know him from the Arizona audit.
And then this man
named Jeffrey Lindbergh.
And both of them
do appear to be these unnamed individuals
in this charging document.
And we see both of them
in the surveillance video
that I just mentioned.
So that helped us really narrow down
the specifics, dates
and specific times
that these people entered the office
it makes clear
that these
could only be those two individuals.
And we're I'm also told
that based on reporting,
CNN thinks that individuals,
two individual,
nine individuals, 12 through 19
all of them are fake electors
from Georgia.
Yeah, Jake,
obviously, three
of the fake electors from Georgia face
are facing criminal charges now,
but the rest of them were listed
as unindicted coconspirators
You remember the district attorney,
finally, Willis
told all the fake electors
at the outset of her investigation
that they were considered
targets in the probe.
We're now learning
that she's only charging three,
but the rest of them
do appear
to be an unindicted
unnamed coconspirators in the indictment.
So they do make an appearance
in the charging documents self,
just not facing criminal charges.
All right.
Some good sleuthing there is that.
Cohen, thank you so much.
I want to bring in CNN's
Kaitlan Collins now.
Kate, let's talk about this.
Is the Trump team
prepared for the possibility
that some of these
coconspirators, unnamed, could enter
into a plea
agreement with the prosecutor
and become witnesses
against them in the case?
I mean, I think that's even the concern
with those
who are named the co-defendants
that are listed here.
I mean, certainly
there's a lot to choose from.
And when I was talking
to people in Trump's orbit
after this indictment
came out the other night
when we were on air,
that was one of the first things
they pointed to,
the fact that there are these 18
other co-defendants
that were listed in the actual charges,
but also these 30
unindicted coconspirators
that Zach was just referencing there.
I mean, several of them.
Some of them still work for him,
including Boris Epstein.
Some of them are still high ranking
officials in the state of Georgia,
including the lieutenant governor,
Bert Jones.
His unindicted
coconspirator number eight, CNN believes.
And so just to look
at the magnitude of that
and the people
who are not just always
people who are close to Trump,
like a boorish Boris Epstein,
but also a lot of these officials
who were in Coffee County
who aren't in Trump's
inner circle at all,
I think there's a lot of room
for some potential plea deals here.
Of course,
we don't actually know
if that's something that some of them
are going to pursue,
but it's
certainly an open
and fair question in Trumpworld.
And they themselves were trying
to figure out
who these names for
the attack
was just going through here,
trying to identify
each of them, you know,
not even just in this case.
In other cases,
Jake, they've also been trying
to figure out
who the unindicted
coconspirators were
and if there are people
who are still actively in Trump's orbit
Donald Trump has said
that he wanted
to hold a press conference next week
where he would
release the proof of the voter fraud
in Georgia.
The conservative Republican governor,
Brian Kemp, pushed back on that.
There was no fraud
that would have changed
the outcome of the election, he said.
What's the status
of that press conference?
I think this is something
that everyone
was understandably skeptical
of the moment
that Trump said he was going to be having
anything described
as a major news conference.
And really,
a lot of that had to do with Jake.
And we were talking to people immediately
about it.
And a lot of people did not know
that he was going to post
that people who are advisors to him.
So they were surprised
they saw it for the first time
when we saw it, when he posted it.
And I
have been making some calls
on this, Jake,
and I am now told that it is unlikely
that is to go forward
in any real capacity
if anything happens on Monday
in Bedminster at all
or when he said it's
going to happen there at his golf course.
And part
that is because we were told
that his advisers have warned him
and cautioned him
against having a press conference
on baseless claims
that he's been making for three years
now that don't have anything to back
him up,
but also while he is facing
several trials precisely for that.
And so
we'll see
what actually happens on Monday.
But right now, Jake,
I'm told it is unlikely
and there should be real doubt
on the idea of any press conference
happening at all.
Of course,
there was already doubt
on whether or not
there would be actual evidence.
Three years after the election,
Governor Kemp said
nobody in three years has come forward
under oath with any evidence at all
when it comes
to one of the coconspirators
charged alongside
Donald Trump in Georgia.
CNN has reported
Rudy Giuliani is struggling
under mounting legal bills
and you have some reporting about a trip
that Giuliani made
to try to get some financial assistance
from Trump. Tell us about that.
Trump has never wanted to pay Giuliani's
legal fees
when he was actually representing him
or his legal bills now.
And what I was told
is that a few months ago,
Giuliani and his attorney,
Bob Costello, went down to Mar a Lago.
And late April, they met with Trump.
And they were basically
making this pitch, Jake,
that it is in Trump's
best interest
to be paying Rudy Giuliani's legal bills.
What we have seen
come forward
in recent days
from other attorneys in court is
he is cash strapped.
He is basically broke that they say
he cannot
afford the legal bills
that he has right now
from that Smartmatic lawsuit.
And basically,
they went to Trump
trying to get him to cover
all of Giuliani's
legal expenses, given
he was doing stuff at Trump's behest,
Trump only agreed to pay $340,000
to this data vendor.
That might seem like a lot of money.
It is a lot of money.
But when you look at
what Giuliani is up against,
he has seven figure
legal fees Jake, right now,
and he is really struggling.
And so it speaks to one, something
not surprising.
Trump does
not want to go into his own money
to pay for someone else's legal fees.
Certainly, he's
paying a lot of people's already and too,
it just speaks to the immense
financial stress
that Rudy Giuliani finds himself under.
And it's not even close to being over
because he's facing
disbarment proceedings.
He's got lawsuits
and now, of course, he's
been indicted in the state of Georgia.
All right.
Kaitlan Collins, thanks so much.