DOESN’T DO THINGS RIGHT, THEY WON’T HAVE DEMOCRAT SUPPORT IN
CONGRESS.
CONGRESS. SO YOU CAN LOOK ALL OF THIS UP.
ONE OTHER THING, I’M JUST GOING
OFF CERTAIN NOTES AND ELEMENTS
OF WHAT WE’VE BEEN DOING OVER
THE LAST THREE DAYS.
BUT THIS JUST CAME UP A FEW
MINUTES AGO.
MINUTES AGO. >> WE HATE TO DO THIS REALLY.
BUT THE PRESIDENT ISN’T TELLING
THE TRUTH.
THE TRUTH. THESE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST JOE
BIDEN AND HUNTER BIDEN THAT HE’S
REPEATING HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED
BY THE UKRAINIANS, NONE OTHER
THAN THE "WALL STREET JOURNAL"
INCLUDED IN THEIR REPORT ON
FRIDAY THAT THE UKRAINIANS VIEW
THIS ISSUE AS HAVING BEEN
INVESTIGATED AND ADJUDICATED.
WHAT’S AMAZING IS THAT WHAT
TRUMP APPEARS TO BE TRYING TO DO
IS TO TURN HIS OWN IMPEACHMENT
INTO A BIG DEFLECTION.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. HE’S TRYING TO CHANGE THE STORY.
FIRST OF ALL THE QUESTION ON THE
TABLE HERE IS NOT ABOUT JOE
BIDEN.
BIDEN. IT’S NOT ABOUT CHRIS MURPHY OR
ANY OTHER SENATORS HE’S TALKING
ABOUT.
ABOUT. IT’S NOT ABOUT THE
WHISTLE-BLOWER.
WHISTLE-BLOWER. IT’S ABOUT HIS CONDUCT AND
WHETHER HIS CONDUCT AS PRESIDENT
IS IMPEACHABLE OR NOT.
BUT AS IT RELATES TO JOE BIDEN,
IT’S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS
STORY HAS BEEN LOOKED AT AND
THOROUGHLY DEBUNKED BY EVERYONE
INVOLVED.
INVOLVED. JOE BIDEN’S SON SERVED ON THE
BOARD OF THAT UKRAINIAN COMPANY.
THAT UKRAINIAN COMPANY THAT
INVESTIGATED BY THE UKRAINIAN
ATTORNEY GENERAL THAT.
INVESTIGATION WAS CLOSED.
AND THE REASON JOE BIDEN ASKED
FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO BE
FIRED, HE WASN’T SPEAKING ON
BEHALF OF HIMSELF OR HIS SON.
HE WASN’T EVEN SPEAKING ON
BEHALF OF THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION.
ADMINISTRATION. HE WAS SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE
WEST AT LARGE, THE IMF WANTED
HIM GONE.
HIM GONE. OTHER WESTERN GOVERNMENTS WANTED
HIM GONE BECAUSE THIS ATTORNEY
GENERAL WAS KNOWN TO BE CORRUPT.
THAT’S WHY JOE BIDEN PUSHED FOR
HIM TO BE OUTED.
IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS
SON AND EVERYONE THAT HAS LOOKED
AT IT HAS CONFIRMED THAT.
>> AND, FRANK FIGLIUZZI, THE
PRESIDENT IS NOW RAPIDLY
RESPONDING TO THE"THE WASHINGTON
POST" REPORTING IS REPORTING THE
POST STANDS BY.
DONALD TRUMP MAKING IT SOUND
LIKE HE WAS SOMEHOW INVOLVED OR
AT LEAST AWARE OF WHAT WOULD BE
A DENIAL FROM DNI MAGUIRE.
DOES THAT MAKE SOMEHOW HIS
TESTIMONY BEFORE CONGRESS EVEN
MORE HIGH STAKES THAN IT ALREADY
WAS?
WAS? >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. THIS IS A MOMENT OF TRUTH FOR
MAGUIRE.
MAGUIRE. AND HE’S BEEN THRUST INTO THE
NATIONAL SPOTLIGHT.
NATIONAL SPOTLIGHT. HE’S GOT TO DO THE RIGHT THING
OR HE’S GOING TO FIND HIMSELF ON
THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY.
YOU KNOW, WE’RE TALKING ABOUT
SOMEBODY WHO WAS A NAVY SEAL,
SAYS HE’S NEVER QUIT ANYTHING IN
HIS LIFE.
HIS LIFE. HE’S GOING TO DO THE RIGHT
THING.
THING. BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS IT GOING
TO HAPPEN TOMORROW?
IS HE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THE
RIGHT THING BECAUSE OF PRESSURE?
AND BY THE WAY, NICOLE.
I WANT TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE OF
PRESSURE AND THE PRESIDENT WE
JUST HEARD HIM SAY THERE WAS NO
PRESSURE, THERE WAS NO PUSHING.
I WANT TO JUST HAVE VIEWERS
THINK ABOUT THIS.
THIS IS ALLA ALL ABOUT A QUARTER
OF A BILLION DOLLARS OF MILITARY
AID THAT LITERALLY WOULD MAKE
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN UKRAINE’S
ABILITY TO DEFEND ITSELF AS A
NATION AND CONTINUE TO EXIST IN
THE EVENT THAT RUSSIA ROLLED IN
WITH TANKS.
WITH TANKS. SO TO IMPLY THAT SOMEHOW THERE’S
NO PRESSURE WHEN IN FACT IT’S
ABOUT AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO
THE EXISTENCE OF YOUR NATION, I
THINK IS RIDICULOUS.
OF COURSE THERE’S PRESSURE IF
YOU’RE TRYING TO SAVE YOUR
COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. >> WE ARE MONITORING THIS.
WHEN JOURNALISTS START ASKING
QUESTIONS AND IF THE PRESIDENT
STARTS ANSWERING THEM, WE WILL
DIP BACK INTO THEM.
BUT A FORMER SENIOR INTELLIGENCE
OFFICIAL SAID THIS TO ME ABOUT
THE SITUATION THE PRESIDENT
FINDS HIMSELF IN SPECIFICALLY
WITH MAGUIRE.
WITH MAGUIRE. TRUMP DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE
FIDELITY THAT THE MILITARY AND
INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS HAVE TO
THE CONSTITUTION AND THE LAW.
>> HE’S ALWAYS LOOKED AT THIS
SINCE BEFORE HE EVEN CAME INTO
OFFICE THE INTELLIGENCE
COMMUNITY IN PARTICULAR AS AN
ADVERSARY, AS SOMETHING THAT WAS
OUT TO GET HIM, AS SOMETHING
THAT SHOULD BE SHAPED.
ONE OF THE FIRST ARGUMENTS THAT
HE AND DAN COATES GOT INTO WAS
BECAUSE HE WANTED HIM WHO WAS
THEN THE DNI TO GO OUT AND SAY
THAT THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY
WAS AGAINST HIM AND GO FIND
EVIDENCE THAT BARACK OBAMA
WIRE-TAPPED HIM.
WIRE-TAPPED HIM. HE SEES THESE AS SORT OF TOOLS
FOR THE THINGS HE WANTS OUT
THERE, WHETHER IT’S A NARRATIVE
OR TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING ELSE.
THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY
ABOUT WHAT THE PRESIDENT’S
DOING, WE ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT
UKRAINE NOW.
UKRAINE NOW. AND HE IS TRYING TO SHIFT THE
CONVERSATION TO MOVE INTO CHINA
AS WELL.
AS WELL. AND HE KEEPS MENTIONING IT, DON
JR. KEEPS TALKING ABOUT IT ON
TWITTER AND OTHER PLATFORMS.
THAT’S KIND OF -- SO IF YOU WANT
TO LOOK WHERE THEY WANT TO TAKE
THIS, IT’S NOT JUST UKRAINE.
THEY WANT TO BROADEN IT OUT.
AND IT’S ALSO GOING TO INCLUDE
CHINA, AND THEY’RE MOUNTING WHAT
THEY HOPE IS A BROAD CAMPAIGN
AND A BROADSIDE.
>> ELISE, SOME OF THIS WOULD
SEEM TO BE A MOMENT OF TRUTH FOR
THE PRESS.
THE PRESS. I KEEP COMING BACK TO BETO
O’ROURKE’S COMMENT.
O’ROURKE’S COMMENT. >> IT WAS IN THE CONTEXT OF
SOMETHING ENTIRELY UNRELATED,
BUT STOP ASKING QUESTIONS YOU
KNOW THE ANSWERS TO.
THERE SHOULD BE NO TWO SIDES.
THE HUNTER/BIDEN THING IS A
SHINY -- IT’S NOT EVEN SHINY,
IT’S A MUDDY DIRTY LOWLIGHT.
THEY’VE SORT OF GONE FROM WITH
MUELLER THEY WANTED URANIUM 1
INVESTIGATED, DONALD TRUMP TODAY
WAS ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF THE
INVESTIGATION RAILING ON ABOUT
HILLARY’S EMAILS.
HILLARY’S EMAILS. WE’RE STILL STARING AT TREES ASK
MISSING THE FOREST.
>> WELL, I ALSO THINK WE NEED TO
JUST STOP FOR A MOMENT AND
RECOGNIZE JUST HOW ABSOLUTE JUST
CRAZY TOWN WHAT RUDY GIULIANI
WAS ATTEMPTING TO FIND IN
UKRAINE.
UKRAINE. WHAT DO THEY THINK IT WAS GOING
TO BE SOME LIKE POT OF GOLD THAT
WAS SUDDENLY GOING TO JUST
ABSOLUTELY DESTROY JOE BIDEN AND
HIS SON?
HIS SON? IT MAKES NO SENSE.
AND DONALD TRUMP IS SO
OBSESSIVE.
OBSESSIVE. IF HE HAS A THEME AND HE WANTS
TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT, AND
THIS SEEMINGLY WAS A PRETTY
STRONG SUMMER OBSESSION.
I HAD BLOWN IT OFF AS JUST, OH,
THEY’VE GIVEN RUDY --
>> CRAZY RUDY.
>> SOME WHACKY MISSION IN
UKRAINE.
UKRAINE. BUT ACTUALLY PROBABLY GIULIANI
WAS THE ONLY PERSON WHO TOOK
DONALD TRUMP SERIOUSLY AT ALL.
SO YOU’VE GOT -- IT’S LIKE THE
PIZZA GATE OF FOREIGN POLICY.
IT’S NOT EVEN TO THE WATERGATE
LEVEL.
LEVEL. THAT’S WHAT A REPUBLICAN
OPERATIVE I WAS TEXTING WITH
TODAY SAID THIS ISN’T WATERGATE,
IT’S PIZZA GATE BECAUSE IT’S SO
STUPID AND CONSPIRATORIAL.
YOU GET THAT THE TWO MEN, THEY
ARE JUST SO DELUSIONAL ABOUT
WHAT ACTUALLY WOULD DEFEAT JOE
BIDEN IN 2020.
>> I MEAN, THE CONDUCT IS
WATERGATE-LIKE.
WATERGATE-LIKE. AND I THINK SOMEONE SAID TO ME
TODAY REMEMBER WHAT THE RUSSIANS
LOOK FOR.
LOOK FOR. THEY DON’T NEED YOU TO PICK UP
THE PHONE AND CALL THEM.
WE DON’T KNOW THAT TRUMP DIDN’T.
BUT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR
SIGNALING.
SIGNALING. WHAT TRUMP HAS SIGNALED BY
RELEASING THIS CALL IS TO THE
RUSSIAN BOTS AND TROLL FARMS.
AND I THINK ROBERT MUELLER
INDICTED A SLOUGH OF THEM TO
SPREAD THIS INFORMATION ABOUT
HUNTER BIDEN.
HUNTER BIDEN. >> THEY DON’T ACTUALLY HAVE TO
FIND ANYTHING FOR IT TO BE
SUCCESSFUL.
SUCCESSFUL. THEY JUST WANT TO RAISE
QUESTIONS.
QUESTIONS. THEY JUST WANT TO GET THE
UKRAINIANS TO INVESTIGATE SO
THEY CAN GET A FRIENDLY SENATE
CHAIRMAN.
CHAIRMAN. >> THEY DON’T EVEN NEED THE
UKRAINIANS TO INVESTIGATE.
THEY JUST NEED TO PUT IT OUT
THERE THAT THEY THOUGHT THEY
SHOULD.
SHOULD. >> AND BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL
POINT OF WHAT THE PRESS.
THE PRESS IS SO EAGER TO SAY THE
PRESIDENT’S ACTIONS MAY BE
INAPPROPRIATE BUT THIS DOES
RAISE QUESTIONS OR JOE BIDEN.
OR IF THEY DON’T GO THAT FAR,
THEY WILL SAY WHAT ARE THE
POLITICAL RAMIFICATIONS OF JOE
BIDEN WHEN WHAT THE PRESS OUGHT
TO DO IS THERE’S NO THERE THERE.
AND THAT IS REALLY ONE OF THE
LESSONS TO LEARN FROM 2016 IF
YOU LOOK BACK THEN.
THERE HAS TO BE SOME
PROPORTIONALITY.
PROPORTIONALITY. >> I WATCHED THE PRESIDENT
SITTING NEXT TO ZELENSKY EARLIER
TODAY TEN MINUTES OF MY LIFE
I’LL NEVER GET BACK.
BUT ONE THING HE DID SAY AND IT
CAUGHT MY EAR AND I WONDER IF IT
CAUGHT YOURS WAS HE URGED
ZELENSKY TO WORK THINGS OUT WITH
PUTIN TO MAKE IT RIGHT WITH HIM
TO WORK TOGETHER WITH PUTIN.
HOW MUCH ARE WE ONCE AGAIN
WATCHING OUR PRESIDENT,
AMERICA’S PRESIDENT, DO THE
BIDDING OF VLADIMIR PUTIN?
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. WE TALK ABOUT RUDY BEING A
POSSIBLE EMISSARY FOR THE STATE
DEPARTMENT.
DEPARTMENT. I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE TRUMP IS
ACTING AS SOME KIND OF
GO-BETWEEN BETWEEN PUTIN AND
UKRAINE AND WANTS TO TRY TO,
QUOTE, WORK THIS OUT.
THERE IS A WHOLE COUNTER
INTELLIGENCE UNDERSIDE TO THIS
THAT JUST PEOPLE NEED TO
UNDERSTAND.
UNDERSTAND. THE WHOLE WORLD LISTENS TO EACH
OTHER.
OTHER. THERE IS THIS SECRET SIDE OF
INTERCEPTS AND INTELLIGENCE
WORK.
WORK. AND SO I KEEP REMINDING PEOPLE
IT WASN’T JUST THE PRESIDENT OF
UKRAINE AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES ON THIS CALL.
REST ASSURED THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN
IS INTERCEPTING ANY CALL OUT OF
THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE’S
OFFICE.
OFFICE. SO RUSSIA HAS THAT CALL WITH
TRUMP.
TRUMP. THEY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
THEY UNDERSTAND THE PRESSURE
THAT UKRAINE IS BEING PUT UNDER.
THEY DON’T WANT UKRAINE TO GET
THE MILITARY AID TO DEFEND
AGAINST RUSSIA.
AGAINST RUSSIA. AND ALL OF THIS IS GOING TO COME
OUT.
OUT. AND HERE’S WHAT I PREDICT WE’RE
GOING TO HAVE HAPPEN TOMORROW
WITH MAGUIRE.
WITH MAGUIRE. BECAUSE OF THIS CLASSIFIED
UNDERSIDE, BECAUSE THIS IS GOING
TO INVOLVE INTERCEPTS, BECAUSE I
BELIEVE -- AND, LOOK, I WANT TO
BE VERY CAREFUL HERE.
I DON’T HAVE SOLID INFORMATION
ON THIS, BUT I’VE ASKED MYSELF
WHEN WOULD I BECOME A
WHISTLE-BLOWER IN THIS SCENARIO,
RUIN MY CAREER, INVOKE THE WRATH
OF THE PRESIDENT, THE REPUBLICAN
SENATE AND AN ENTIRE NEWS
NETWORK COMING DOWN ON MY HEAD
FOR THIS.
FOR THIS. IT WOULD BE IF I HAD IT NAILED.
WHAT WOULD NAILED LOOK LIKE FOR
ME?
ME? IT WOULD LOOK LIKE SIGENT.
IT WOULD LOOK LIKE I HAD A TON
OF SIGNAL INTERCEPTS THAT SHOWED
THE UKRAINIAN REACTION TO THIS
CONVERSATION, MAYBE EVEN THE
RUSSIA REACTION TO THIS
CONVERSATION.
CONVERSATION. HERE’S THE PROBLEM TOMORROW WITH
MAGUIRE.
MAGUIRE. ALL OF THAT, IF I’M EVEN HALF
RIGHT, TOP SECRET, CLASSIFIED.
THAT’S GOING TO BE THE
CHALLENGE.
CHALLENGE. >> BUT LET’S EXPLAIN TO OUR
VIEWERS WHAT THAT IS.
SIGENT IS REALLY CENTRAL
INTELLIGENCE.
INTELLIGENCE. A LOT OF PEOPLE VIEW IT AS THE
BEST BECAUSE IT’S THE
INTERCEPTED PHONE CALL.
IF YOU TAKE THE LOW-TECH VERSION
IT’S PICKING UP THE PHONE AND
LISTENING TO A CONVERSATION
BETWEEN YOUR MOM AND YOUR
PRINCIPAL.
PRINCIPAL. IT’S LISTENING IN.
IT’S INDISPUTABLE, RIGHT, FRANK?
>> THAT’S EXACTLY RIGHT.
THAT’S WHAT I WOULD NEED TO
BRING DOWN THE WRATH OF HALF THE
UNITED STATES ON MY HEAD.
I WOULD NEED TO HAVE THIS DEAD
AND THAT MEANS SI GENK NT.
MY THEORY IS THAT MAGUIRE, WE
ARE GOING TO HEAR HIM TOMORROW
SAYING, LOOK, I GOT TO TALK
ABOUT THIS IN CLOSED SESSION.
I’LL ANSWER THAT QUESTION IN
CLOSED SESSION.
CLOSED SESSION. I CAN’T TALK ABOUT THIS
PUBLICLY.
PUBLICLY. THIS IS CLASSIFIED.
IT’S GOING TO HAVE TO GET
DECLASSIFIED.
DECLASSIFIED. AND IT’S GOING TO CREATE