uh... michael brooks
and i'm a producer of the majority report with sam's feeder
and i'm doing the segment david patten challenge doing me today is the renowned
maxwell
tis a contributor to feminist thing dot com
and eddie
magazine
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and then are you
i'm doing great
it's really beautiful outside
yes talking about the league
so i'm gonna start off i think
the kind of
big thing obviously that sort of on everybody's mind is how the supreme
court will rule
then on our health care
i don't want to make a fool of either of us by asking you to predict on a rolling
in but i'm curious
depending on which way it does
just in terms of the election there's an argument that if
the election goes again to be a ruling goes against health care might actually
fire up ovr ms bs
then there's you know the other views that if it's uh... if it struck down
i will really disheartened people and kind of hurt the cause of
progressive governance in general what do you think
and i think i would hope
it's not struck down connecting
at the progress that you don't want
e especially the biggest piece of legislation he his cat
to be ruled unconstitutional because i a m
afro-americans and they aren't anything about here bill is unconstitutional
because they don't really hot
uh... you know legal minds or
understand what the word unconstitutional means because here in
the media repeated the media by people
that habitat
and sell that that had mindful
you know about up here will dump truck
gcl is not it's
in any way shape or form a positive
and net profit for for obama's reelection chances i think that
yep it's its
better that this is happening in june and then in october
uh... because
you know people may
or may not
you know go into the polling
and actually have this on their minds
output at the same time
ankles i'd i do not need point that
it will fire could be affecting
uh... you know
freelance is under the
uh... the
impression that mean it's a must win election i don't think that
you know the real chin based voters
are going to say
stay at home
either way
i think that they're going to turn out
regardless
i can see a scenario where it being ruled unconstitutional is a positive
new following up on that i think that uh...
don't think that they needed to be struck down
you know through speaking for myself but i think the strongest grounds
and where it's also most unpopular with the public is the individual mandate
com
that's a republican idea and now it's been a brand arnold palmer's health care
plan do you think there is a way
this untangling that and actually reminding people and letting people know
that baths bath republican policy
always always send it straight the they
niceties so many interviews
all of you and the people in it so bizarre tacked on an individual mandate
beckett it was a republican idea
with the heritage foundation in nineteen ninety-six its
their idea as to the exact even
you know bit ideal awful so i've been at federalist society discussions about
the health care uh... bill any individual manner hands
at just commonality
eubanks need to google hunch now has his vacation individual mandate normac
and then it you'd be stopped
that what you're arguing against is actually your idea
and so and it's kids
they know it's
ridiculous and also that
the individual and it is completely
uh... constitutional based on the law
so this is really a political
argument and the fact that it may help way up to
to the very conservative court
is really just attachments you
you know the partisan environment that we're in
and i also think that you know it's a difficult arguments make and trying to
explain the congress clients
seenu someone on the street is is pretty difficult
and some conservative just benefited from the back
you know it's it's a very very difficult argument to make when you break down the
health care bill
i don't buy its
parts the other parts of the health care bill
and the individual pieces
people really like that if you take any way they've done pulling
but if you take the name
i mean you know called obama carried to say
aloha panthers companies can tonight people with pre-existing conditions
then people people but we think that's a great idea mikey can stay on my
and help in terms of the twenty sixth grade idea people support that when you
label it
obama care people all decided
i have a political response cell
you know that's always been a problem for a progressive policies that the
individual pieces
always all better
the sort of
all packages when it gets more abstracted as
you know big government or whatever
i want to move on to something that will definitely in fact uh...
the president's reelection and something that
theoretically we should all agree with that though
it doesn't seem like all of us do
and that's the
voter suppression going on in the states tom
i'm forgetting his name right now that a pretty prominent uh...
state republican leader in pennsylvania
uh... actually said that
on record that uh... suppressing votes or do voter i_d_ laws will help romney
i think the statistic is something like
somebody committing voter fraud is like thirty times less likely to getting
struck by lightning
uh... and you know unethical as he said that the reason republicans are
targeting holder so much right now
uh... is because he's fighting the state initiatives do you think that that's
true
i think it is actually true any
there's a lot of pieces to talk about it being
uh... holders
content vote i'd like to do with the fact that he's taking really aggressive
stance against voter suppression
armpit on and also at yale that you know as the first black attorney general ease
you know they can attack easel bottle by proxy
we can plan for the president but the vehicle after holder and the fact that
they keep calling
fast and furious
in the watergate
is just another way to sort of the the drive towards impeachment which i've
just always thought that they were going to try to do
even if they had a manufacturer scandal out of nothing which is what they've
been and europe
uh... butler suppressant and agnes expense
the only cloak that i have is that there's an army of lawyers that are
pointing working
on the oklahoma saw
right to make sure that people's votes
uh... art
talented
but that doesn't really
help with cont
making sure that they're actually able to pass that
so i think that you know there's there's two as it should prob problem here
wine making sure that people actually people to boat
then the second part is the list looks like actually cap it
and really be obama campaign
uh... is response will put the latter
the former is justice are made and that's why
eric holder is really
it it's army of sold lots partisan
so many partisan attacks
resumes perfect sense i want to get to follow first of all time voter
suppression second but i was
struck by the uh... the first thing that you kind of set in that uh... insur
which is that you think the republicans are definitely gearing up for his
impeachment
could you elaborate on that a little bit
in twenty-two landing you know
we were looking at other polling and it looked the lately that republicans were
going to take back the house
um...
alluded to
uh... you know
famous started
you know looking into everything and
he hears that word repeatedly early on uh... even when it was before
fast and furious even you know took off
you know i think that this was something that being
they were looking to do and i just think that internet far-right third artists
you make a scandal at anything it could've been something really really
small analytic side belinda
break exactly
and actually dot so we had a really good bit last night about fast and furious
where
he brought down all the times
all the different scandals
subha improve the obama administration that they've called burst in watergate
with like
sold by looking at or watergate but richard nixon only had one profound
everything's enforce them already
uh... and you know even john dean's we did last night uh... they don't know
what they're talking about how months
when it comes to compare insularity
not only that the passengers must that the fact that we know about the case
on a better reported by the mainstream media are not correct
you know there was a report today i'm c_n_n_ that said that
on the background of this story
you know the fact that gets often repeated the fact that
the attention and sold arms to know criminals
actually was not true
and sell you know it's very interesting what get
made at from that part of the narrative
when it's actually actually rack
right and also the notion that
the way did
the conspiracy for gun control the united states restaurant how closely
people follow what's going on in mexico i mean
this is a kind of malaria
aaj
but i getting back to voters the press and so this is something that i i'm
curious about
obviously there's fundamental rights issues here but from a political point
of view it's ek dink it's difficult because it's its
briley near
i think impurity that obviously republicans are pushing this the
suppressed
and lower the vote count among certain constituencies that vote democratic at
obvious
voter fraud is in any type of epidemic or any type of serious national issue
now that's that i think that
if you're kind of lower information voter or whatever term you want to use
and you just see it
you know came republicans say this is a big deal
democrats say
that's just trying to hurt our constituencies of well that's another
issue where you know they're all arguing in the far end up the blah blah blah
blah
one-tenth of security is
fundamentally this is about you know this is a very this is almost like
post-modern jim crow or something like this is about people voting
thank how do we
frame that issue so it doesn't just get victims that healed up and dole partisan
politics and people reminded of the real
fundamental speaks here
framing it
hesione well i think is is helpful although
i think is very strong language although i agree with it
on and and that was something that
you know i've seen a elected officials albeit in profile but also to see what
the
the main thing is is that
statement democrats what more people to vote
republicans want fewer people to vote
ants
that you make
explain very simple one
i think that
as important the main thing is that you have to just
whenever people here the term voter fraud alert
suppression or
if you just scares them into
thinking that voting is going to be
sons are
asl activity
and you know it's a very difficult when they go to the polls
and that the different gonna have to bring like fifteen point ninety
and they're going to be
you know interrogated before they re festival because you were going to be as
simple as possible for people
uh... especially busy people that more than one dollar kids or you know it
needs to be a very you know kisi processing
the more difficult
you make it sound to be
adverts percent
uh... you know the the west
likely they article in the past both and
just framing at
the democrats want more people to vote
and that's really going to be and they wanted to be easier to vote because the
other crucial things then
it they want me to book
and they want to make it is the easiest possible for you to cast your vote
it's a fundamental right to do so
and so i think that democrats were able to even it
i think that it's important to point out that
the republican motivation but that meant
stick partisan again
if you just say
you want more people to vote we wanna make it if you have possible for you to
vote and here are the things that you need to make sure that you do
in order to double
get this headed by dean
make sure you know your polling place
uh... if you make it ad
patriotic duty
it's your job as an american spelling strategy book
uh... you know of so many people have lost their lives have been beaten
uh... in the streets to be able
to make sure that you have this right
and democrats want you to exercise and i think that's that's positive framing
begets leader republicans out of it
yeah i i like how even as i was
leading up to that question which i think is a really smart way to friend
that i i i use like the most uh... backup inflammatory language possible
anybody uh... but but i agree i think fundamentally voting should not be like
going to the dentist office cbs
smooth
easy cause it's a fundamental right
uh...
i'm gonna leave on a last question this is just sort of fun
maybe you know i'll tell you my prediction since the new both embarrass
ourselves at this point so far out
but what what do you think
in terms of who will win in november and even if you wanna make that prediction
what type of
uh... spread do you think it might be
well you know when you look at the campaign
is on individuals to get that the number of elec
promotes because i am i'm one of the people backing spent national tracking
polls are ridiculous and unnecessary egp
insult after that and what this debate i don't think it's into them
out of but
eight light pole that we tend to get to them
and then the twin you at the electoral votes when you start with the john kerry
now
and then you extrapolate out on based on
the polling in the background c i think that you know obama have a lot of
different meeting gets to seven p m ronnie has a lot would fewer respects
t_-seventy any he actually had more must-win states that obama does
uh... and so i can bake
i think i can see that and extremely competent feedback at this moment
because they're still really a lot of time between amit now and november
galactic really happen at in the election is going to be close
uh... but very often to keep in mind that applied only one fifty three
percent of the vote in two thousand eight it's eleven likey you know
it was it was a big electoral college victory but really popular vote was very
close-knit and i think that pat
you know it's going to be a close election again i think that obama's one
window i just your mit romney uh... is is not a strong candidate i can go part
of that lucky
uh... remain if with rodney being the nominee with all of his
uh... problems with eight
even though democrats don't like that one of a tax break active
particularly in the midwest syntheses like very important cyclical cry out i
think that
uh... you know his a newly issued he's challenging people oxygen post story
about offshoring in outsourcing where he calls it offering military outsourcing
uh... and spot horns that happens
any exactly
we are very good sex shot but i think you know effort to get out of big
campaign yet at least is textured there's there's so much with the
army-backed you know as we get closer uh... cd election in november and i
can't wait for the debates i cannot wait for president obama's clomid out pumps
though many of these different issues because what i mean really had a lot of
you know weaknesses and so that's
part of the reason why phil uh... that obama will win because this is really so
much so much spot in the nation that you can use
but get it from me
and you know he doesn't have the answers for them and that's really the problem
with him is that
he he can't his state a position on anything he put the katie he dodges and
dodson
uh... you know that doesn't instill confidence and voters
absolutely and i think that
you know the band stuff is very effective amongst people who actually
vote animal matter in the selection and uh...
i think the violence too
my name on it as well
czarina
thanks so much where to talk to me today