i'm all about good saints sober moral
prudent people defending themselves but
at some point it stops being
self-defense we're gonna see it today
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the two guys that you see circled there
on the left hand side have just
committed a robbery against a couple and
now they are running off and away so i'm
not sure if that was an armed robbery or
not now you see them trying to get on
this bus and as they do the couple who
they've robbed show up in this red truck
and start honking at them and so they
keep running off and decide they're not
going to get on the bus because that
couple has stopped the bus so they are
gonna wait and you're gonna watch them
here wait for the car to go by and then
they are going to chase them in their
pickup truck and this first guy they are
going to give the old bumper to the
second guy decides he wants out of there
well you're gonna see that driver then
pull into the parking lot of this car
dealership and not just put him on the
bumper but put him under the wheels
and now watch happens the first guy has
actually gotten back up and is running
off the second guy gets up and runs off
and the driver starts running after them
his wife gets out of the truck as well
but then decides to get back in the
truck and follow them in the truck news
story that i've linked in the
description says that one of the taxis
that came by is going to follow as well
and they're gonna start keep on with
these guys and keep chasing them down
now you're gonna see them both run and
run off there that's where you see the
taxi driver come in and start chasing
them here so so now you guys see those
guys are off trying to catch those guys
we're gonna you know come in even
farther you're gonna see our bad guy
here decide at some point he's like man
this is it i'm done i'm gonna lay down
and wait and they held him there until
the police arrived and arrested him and
i think they got the second guy as well
though it's a little difficult to say we
see one more angle of it as he just lays
down you see everybody decide to come
out around him doesn't look like they
beat him up too bad other than putting
him under the wheels of the truck but we
have a bunch of lessons to think about
out of this one so most of today's
lessons are going to be about the legal
and moral aspects of self-defense but
what do you think morally justified here
legally justified in your jurisdiction
talk to me about it in the comments so
of course couple things i want to talk
about out of this one are mostly moral
and legal self-defense okay so yes
morally evil for these guys to rob a
couple absolutely unequivocally yes you
have the right to defend yourself with
appropriate physical force when we're
talking about the defense of property so
again proportionality really matters now
that robbery's already gone and done
haven't heard anything about being there
being a firearm involved in the robbery
and that's gonna really enter into our
equation here you know some kind of a
weapon or whatever
because i get it that these folks are
angry at these guys from stealing from
them they want their stuff back but
let's think about hitting somebody with
your vehicle like that now i know we say
here at active self protection that your
car is often the best measure of
self-defense it's often the best thing
for you to use in your self-defense but
this is not really self-defense this you
know that has long gone these guys are
long running away so now we're talking
about retrieval of property and and
using your bumper on somebody hitting
somebody with your car is absolutely
considered deadly force so
it can you generally speaking use deadly
force to defend property or to recover
property no you cannot and therefore
when you use deadly force to recover
property like this from thieves you can
definitely face charges because it can
be seen as excessive and excessive means
now that gets even more so in this
second case because this guy here they
don't just put on the bumper so same
thing use of deadly force but this is
why it's considered deadly you put him
under the wheels and if you run over
somebody is it likely that they will
experience great bodily harm
hospitalization broken bones those kinds
of things or death the answer is yes so
while i get it everyone
i want to encourage you you know get a
good description be a good witness don't
put somebody under the wheels of your
car beyond the moment that you're at
risk of death or great bodily harm
because generally speaking using your
vehicle on somebody even if you feel
like they deserve it is considered
deadly force and that fails the
proportionality test of legal and moral
self-defense we might feel like no it's
a good thing because these guys earned
it and and he you know they earned
everything that they got i think that
though that that that is not our purview
and so i'm very grateful that the second
time they didn't run him over a second
time because he laid down and stopped so
they didn't run him over that time i
think they can make the argument that
says well we were just trying to stop
them from running off that said i don't
know that that argument holds any weight
because again a reasonable person would
think if i hit somebody with my car it's
not just going to stop them and make
them give me my stuff back it is going
to put them in the hospital or
potentially kill them and that's not
something that we do as private citizens
as good sane sober moral prudent people
instead we recognize that that we use
deadly force to protect life and we use
a proportionate responsible physical
force to defend and to recover property
so i don't know that these folks face
any charges but i do want you to think
about wait a minute i gotta get away
from the predator urge i gotta get away
from the retaliatory response i'm a good
saint sober moral prudent person so i
use proportional force to cover my asp