it well let's bring in dr michael
pillsbury director of the
center for chinese strategy at the
hudson institute
uh michael good to see i think it's fair
to say
that the state of georgia is less
repressive than communist china wouldn't
you say
yes it's pretty obvious that that's the
case so why
aren't corporations saying that michael
well the chinese have gotten
increasingly sophisticated
in recent years in pressuring even
coercing our companies
the chinese know what's at stake we have
at least a trillion dollars some people
say 3 trillion
of investment in china our american
companies do
we have 150 chinese stocks for sale on
the new york stock exchange
in many cases with waivers of of
accounting and auditing
so the chinese know how to summon ceos
they summon billionaires to come to
beijing
to meet with xi jinping specific
pressures are put on them
companies that play ball as it were find
huge benefits coming their way
companies that don't get punished so as
the chinese do this
they really make a mockery of our
national security
efforts to change chinese misconduct
because the chinese know it's all talk
at least they think it's all talk
and this is undermining the efforts of
our government
and the congress to get china to to
become a more responsible member of the
world
it's really quite distressing to see our
efforts uh
just go down the drain because of what
our companies are doing
it's just extraordinary and you talk
about responsibility there's a
responsibility of these companies
uh to to base their actions on truth not
on lies and unfortunately what they're
doing now is basing them on lies
things about this georgia law that
simply are not true demonstrably not
true
you also have the fact that they many of
the corporations that do business in
china
allow members of the communist party to
be to infiltrate
knowingly infiltrate their operations in
china that's still going on right
that's right some companies have made
fun of it they just say a communist
party person is like a boy scout you
know just to
observe things it's really not true it's
part of how china steals technology and
and business secrets from our companies
some of the companies know this
but unless they all get together or
frankly david unless there's legislation
from the congress
it's just going to continue it makes our
efforts to punish china
uh really kind of a joke you know talk
about uh
jokes or maybe it's a sick joke but this
this deal
between china and iran uh that's a
very interesting development that's
going on right now what what do you
think is going on there i mean what
what possible uh conversion or
collusion could there be between those
repressive states that
uh would bring them together in a deal
well there's been a lot of cooperation
between china and iran over the years
uh frankly it's one of the most
troubling developments
that as we activate the quad and attempt
to
talk with our allies and partners about
china what china is doing is building
kind of a counter coalition to us
they announced this 25-year deal with
iran that includes
energy it possibly includes weapons
sales
as early as 20 years ago david china was
selling silkworm missiles
to iran to threaten our navy ships in
the gulf
so this is developing it's part of a
counter-coalition strategy
that beijing is not just going to sit
still while we try to form a coalition
against them
they're building their own counter
coalition and russia seems to be a part
of it they want to bring the european
union
in as well and and they're also by the
way uh
very supportive of any new iran nuclear
deal like the the one that
we thought we'd gotten rid of
that's right the chinese have been quite
enthusiastic that biden wants to
cooperate with them
they say and re-establish the 2015 deal
that president trump
pulled out of the chinese want to
overlook
iranian violations of the deal the
compliance mechanism is flawed that's
why one reason president trump pulled
out
you have to give notification in advance
to the iranians if you want to inspect
something
and they have time to remove or fix up
the situation
china is very happy about this iran
meeting in tuesday it's extraordinary dr
michael pillsbury
good stuff michael thank you very much
for bringing it to our attention