Samantha: So, how much of one's life is a result of their past karma?
Are the injustices and unfairnesses that one faces in one's life a result of their past karma?
If so, do you accept these injustices
and find solace in the fact that, okay, the karma is being cleared [Both laugh]
even though it might seem detrimental to our lives in so many ways?
Sadhguru: Samantha, you're old enough for this – I'm not saying you're old,
I said you're old enough [Laughter]
that do you still expect the world to be fair to you?
Samantha: That's why I'm asking this question. [Laughter]
Can I blame it on my past karma, is what I'm asking?
Sadhguru: "I want the world to be fair to me" is a schoolgirl question. [Laughs]
By now you should know the world is not fair, it will not be fair to you. [Applause]
But... [Applause] if you dig deep into yourself and have a taste of life,
not the taste of your thought and emotion – the taste of life that you are,
then you will see, life is not just fair, it's just fantastic!
[Cheering/Applause]
So, do you want fair life, or fantastic life? You must decide. [Both laugh]
Samantha: I've noticed this, that beyond the material ego, there is now suddenly a widespread...
Sadhguru: Who's this ego guy? Your friend? Samantha: It's all around me. [Both laugh]
And in my industry, the heights of it! [Laughs]
So, beyond the material ego, I have noticed there is now widespread spiritual ego.
I've come across a lot of people who are now on a spiritual path [Laughs]
– not you, Sadhguru – [Both laugh]
who consider themselves superior to people who are not on a spiritual path.
How would you advise such people to ensure that they don't fall prey to this new spiritual ego?
Sadhguru: [Laughs] First, we'll address this ego guy, okay? [Laughter]
If you show me where it is, I'll fix it right now.
Samantha: I wish I knew where it was, it just keeps coming suddenly.
Sadhguru: So, you don't know where it is. The thing is just this.
See, at certain moments as a person, as a woman,
you are a beautiful person – wonderful person, I mean.
I'm sorry, I didn't say only at certain times you're beautiful, you're always beautiful,
but certain times you're wonderful, all right?
Certain moments maybe you're nasty – possible. Samantha: Possible.
Sadhguru: So, whenever you're nasty you say, "It's my ego."
Why don't you say, "It's me. I am sometimes wonderful, sometimes nasty."
If you see this, naturally nastiness will go down. [Applause]
But if you say whenever you're nasty, "Mr. Ego does this!" [Samantha laughs]
and you don't know where he is, you don't know his address or ID,
nor do you know his phone number, so how do you fix this guy?
So, everybody has this going in their life because this is spiritual jargon without being spiritual.
It's all over the place, particularly in India,
because we have, you know, 15-20,000 years of spiritual history, so we know all the words.
We know what Atma, Paramatma, this one, that one, Ahankara, everything we know – words only.
Samantha: Words only. Noted. [Laughs]
Sadhguru: So, we can just throw words like this and confuse the western population quite a bit. [Laughs]
Because if you come here, they'll say mukti, Shakti, this one, that one, all kinds of things.
I know a lot of people who've gone and set up spiritual centers in the west, particularly in America,
because they just know one chant. Just one chant!
Okay, Asatoma Sadgamaya – with this, they run the whole thing! [Laughter]
So unfortunately, spirituality
in some ways it's come there.
It's come there because there is need in the society; there is not enough source.
Because of that, people are manufacturing this here and there.
This happened, you know, a few years ago, 15, 16 years ago.
I was in United States, and somebody in our office told me,
"Sadhguru, did you know, every day 100,000 people are typing out the word spiritual?"
I said, "Is that so? Type it out and see what comes out. Are we even there in the picture?" [Both laugh]
They typed out spirituality; first thing that comes up is a spa in Mexico. [Laughter]
You've been there? [Both laugh] Samantha: No, I've not been there.
And the next thing that comes out is a call girl in Northern California. [Laughter]
She has learned all that SEO: for everything she says spiritual, spiritual, spiritual,
108 times she uses the word spiritual on her website.
You say spiritual, she comes up number two. I thought this is a shame.
For thousands of years, anything spiritual means people looked East.
East means India – that's what it meant.
So, I said we must start something, a spiritual gateway [Applause]
that if people say... if they seek spirituality, they must look towards India.
Because this is one culture which has spent maximum amount of time...
[Cheering/Applause]
maximum amount of time exploring human consciousness, and the mechanics of what a human being is,
how this [Referring to oneself] functions on the surface, and its very core.
How does this [Referring to oneself] function? What can we do about it? This has been explored.
I'm not saying this out of my Indian origin, I'm saying this after looking at the world closely,
that nowhere else has it been looked at like this. [Cheering/Applause]
So, I said we must start a spiritual gateway – India, The Spiritual Gateway.
I must tell you this, till about 15 years ago, I had not met a single guru in this country.
I just did not meet, I was just busy doing my own work.
I never thought I had to go and look for somebody, I had never been to any other ashram anywhere,
and then I thought, okay, let me make an attempt; then I started making phone calls.
They all received my call pretty well, and then I started visiting some people, and started putting together.
We had one meeting with 125 gurus.
We made this thing that nobody talks about their philosophy; you keep your philosophy, this is just a meeting.
This is just about how to enhance your ashram, or your Yoga center, whatever you have – how to enhance the quality.
We will teach you management, we will teach you branding, we will teach you how to make a website,
we will teach you how to present yourself to the international community.
Your philosophy we don't touch – you don't touch mine, I don't touch yours. You do your own thing!
Because that is the beauty of this culture, that it can exist in hundreds of forms,
thousands of forms, and it's okay with us!
So, when I went about doing this, well, I met many wonderful people,
but at the same time, at least 60 to 65% – it hurts me to say this –
I found that if I walk into an airport or a golf course,
I meet better men than in the so-called spiritual centers;
because it's full of jargon, no heart, no depth, no profoundness,
simply one, one chant, one, one nonsense, one philosophy that they read somewhere.
It's going on like this. This needs to change!
So, to bring this profoundness to people, as people get closer to me, I get harder, and harder, and harder.
Those who are very close to me, I'm bloody cruel. Yes! [Samantha laughs]
Because just to bring integrity into spirituality is so hard,
because the moment they get spiritual a little,
like you said, you're calling it spiritual ego, I call it spiritual airs – they get spiritual airs,
air bubbles get in their head, suddenly they start acting funny.
They start saying things that don't exist, they start talking about nonsense that nobody understands.
If you speak something, whatever nonsense you speak,
people in front of you must understand, otherwise why the hell are you speaking?
Because the purpose of speech is to make somebody understand what you're saying.
No, if I say something that you don't understand, I become big, you become small.
This is rubbish, this is going on for too long!
So, this whole spirituality as a thing, unfortunately has fallen on bad times,
but slowly it is rising, because people's longing is increasing.
I must tell you this, 40 years ago when I first started the programs,
Inner Engineering programs in various different forms,
85% of the people used to come to the programs only for health problems;
only 12, 15% came to know something.
Today, over 90% of the people come because they want to know something, experience something,
only 8 to 10%... [Applause]
only 8 to 10% are coming for health issues, which is a significant change in human consciousness.
About this ego business – this is one thing we must settle.
See, within you, is there only one person, or two? Samantha: I think one. [Laughs]
Sadhguru: You think one? Samantha: I'm going to go with one.
Sadhguru: One? Samantha: Mhmm.
Sadhguru: That means you're an individual.
An individual means, the word individual comes from indivisible – you're not further divisible.
That's good, you're an individual. If you are two...
then you're either schizophrenic, or possessed.
Sadhguru: Psychiatrist, or exorcist? Samantha: I got the right answer. [Both laugh]
Either a psychiatrist, or an exorcist has to come.
So, this is very important, everybody settle this,
that don't talk about Atma, Paramatma, ego, this one, that one – you're an individual.
What kind are you? Are you a wonderful one, or a nasty one? Fix the damn thing!
[Cheering/Applause]