. Okay, let's go to the phones at six one seven eight three zero 47 50.
See what's on people's minds.
Let's go first to our caller from the nine one seven areaCode, who we last spoke to in.
Well, it's been a year, actually, nine one seven.
What's going on?
Hi, David.
Hi.
I'm calling about the genocide that's going on in singeing China against the Turkic peoples,
including the wiggers.
Yes, there's a there's a bill that's been like in committee since March called, I think,
the Wigger Forced Labor Prevention Act, which I believe which would which would cause corporations
that have factories in Shenzhen to prove that their supply chains don't include slave labor
from wiggers rather than in other words, they would put the burden on them.
And I just sort of wanted to make kind of a shout out for that legislation.
There's been very little pressure that I've seen put on people to to make progress on
that.
And I just think that's really crucial because right now, sort of like we are all probably
walking around in clothing, in face masks, I mean, all kinds of things that are made
by these, you know, a million
people detained.
And that's sort of like a very pressing human rights issue.
Yeah, I think that one of the things that is an interesting aspect of this that maybe
isn't being discussed is when we talk about American relations with China, one of the
realities we have to face is that the worse our relationship is with China, the less leverage
we have to get them to change their behavior or to make demands or whatever.
And so, you know, a lot of the discussion about Trump and China is about where the tariffs
are good or bad idea or what is the relationship between China and Russia that builds when
the U.S. is increasingly on the outs in that group of three countries, beneficial or not?
But there's this other reality that if Trump cared to do something about what's going on
there, we have a lot less leverage when our relationship is bad and and when we cut ties.
And
that's sort of like an ancillary intangible that we have to understand is affected by
the relationship the Oval Office has with China.
Can I sort of put another way?
Put another way of looking at that?
Yeah.
Not an argument.
This is sort of a reframing is like one of the things I think about is when we look back,
you know, 10 years from now, we're saying in the Trump era, the U.S. had a very bad
relationship with China.
And people are going to ask, well, oh, that makes sense, because China was a totalitarian
state that was putting a million people in concentration camps that doing medical experimentation
and testing, that he thought people obviously would have a bad relationship with China.
And the answer is, well, no, actually, that really wasn't the issue at all.
Actually, we just had a problem with, you know, they were selling soybeans kind of cheap.
And I don't want to undercut portions of that.
Right.
Yeah.
But now now, of course, it's all it's more than enough that they are more than happy
to like it the way it was in the 50s.
Yes.
And of course, it's more complicated than just even even the soybean explanation.
But you're right that when we look back at it, it may be misremembered.
But listen, this is one of the really the the additional reasons why having actual diplomats
or people who defer to diplomats still matters in 2020.
And having people who prioritize human rights, I mean, in care.
I mean, I would I would point just in one second that the Biden campaign put out a very
good statement the other day.
There is the Trump administration is apparently considering labeling this a genocide, which
I think would be an enormous step.
Hopefully they do that.
The Biden campaign put out a good statement saying, I believe, saying we will do that
if we come into office.
But I think that's something that we should be putting a lot of pressure on institutions
to do right now is to really make some kind of impact on that issue.
All right.
Not a not an unreasonable idea.
I appreciate the phone call.
Thank you, David.
All right, take care.