A poll that we asked you about
yesterday.
So we were covering the Joe Rogan
story, where he got super paranoid
about cancel culture and felt that
it was leading to a situation in
which he would be silenced as a
white man, now check out that video
to learn the details about it.
I'm not going to rehash it now, but
we did ask you all has canceled
culture gone too far?
And I'm actually pretty surprised
at the results.
I'm not kidding so,
about 43.96% of you said yes
canceled culture has gone too far.
56.04% of you say, no, cancel
culture has not gone too far.
So the audience is kind of split,
yeah.
>> I like, I know that, we have to
put up a poll and it can't be 30
paragraphs or whatever, but that
question doesn't mean anything.
>> John are you questioning
our methodology?
How dare you? >> Am questioning
especially if Malcolm was
involved, yes.
>> Don't listen to him, this one.
>> Doesn't mean anything,
all it means is whatever
you want it to mean.
>> No, I mean, I know exactly like
it is as we talked about in
the context of the story.
It's actually a lot more nuanced
and everyone likes to be fall in
an extreme right, either you think
like canceled culture is is
the worst thing in the world and
it's gone too far and that are not
like that's where Rogan's at right,
that's where, other people are at.
And then there are people who are,
I think a little too dismissive of
it because I'll give you
an example.
>> It's not an it, there's no it,
there's no it's like this.
This is an iPad.
He's an iPad when I say iPad,
you can picture this.
Cancel culture,
what do you picture,
what does it mean?
>> Yeah. >> To who?
Who can be canceled?
Who can't?
What is being canceled mean?
It means so many different things
>> Yes that's a good point.
>> And nothing.
>> That's a good point.
Okay, so for me.
>> I'm not actually mad it just
got hooked on the hook.
>> No, yeah you're not mad at all
sure.
No, but you're right,
I think that people have like
the interpretation of it varies,
so I think that's a fair point.
For me when I say that cancel
culture can be toxic or a problem,
what I'm specifically referring to
is this trend of people digging up
like super super old tweets, right
like I gave the example of the now
former editor of Teen Vogue.
>> Sure. >> Who had sent some,
she says some offensive things when
she was literally a teenager and
like, I'm so
I feel so lucky that Twitter wasn't
a thing when I was in high school.
>> Yeah, thought of that.
>> Because I'm just I'm sure that I
had stupid thoughts, and I'm sure I
would have put them on Twitter and
I'm sure it would have come
back to haunt me.
So I'm just saying like I want us
to be kinder to each other, but
more importantly,
like the thing for me and
she did like she did leave her job.
>> I understand that but
I'm saying I think her case is so
dissimilar to the vast majority of
things that get called cancel
culture that I would say,
let's come up with an accurate term
for the very rare instance where
someone actually loses a job as
a result of something like that.
And then have a debate about under
what circumstances it might be
reasonable and what wouldn't.
So her tweets were very old.
Is that enough?
Is it that she was young?
>> I think she was a teenager, I
think that's right. Or is it
that she had already gone through
multiple rounds over
the years of apologizing and
trying to- >> Correct her wrongs.
Yeah, exactly that like
Tucker Carlson said that Rockies
were semi literate primitive
monkeys years ago.
He wasn't a kid.
>> Yeah. >> He hasn't
apologized for it.
So is that enough like these,
we should be much more nuanced and
whether just as a sort of natural
result of the fact that language
flows and changes over time, or
I would say Fairly purposeful
campaign by the right to
extract all of the actual meaning
out of the term so
that it can mean anything you want.
It doesn't,
there's no use to the term anymore,
I would say.
They will use it,
It's convenient to them.
But I don't think we should be
sucked into fighting
a narrative battle on
their chosen battleground.
>> Yeah, I mean,
I agree with you on all of that.
>> You're going to cancel me?
>> No, of course not,
I would never cancel you.
And obviously like you've put a lot
of thought behind this and I'm glad
that you did because that was good,
that was good commentary.