REFUSED IT. SO WE’RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ALL
OF THIS LATER.
>>> BUT, WILLIE, FIRST I WANTED
TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE
SCOPE AND THE SWEEP OF JOE
BIDEN’S VICTORY LAST NIGHT.
>> WELL, WE’VE GOT STEVE
KORNACKI TO HELP US DO THAT IN
JUST A SECOND, BUT YOU SAID IT,
MICHIGAN WAS THE STATE A COUPLE
OF WEEKS AGO THAT EVERYONE WAS
LOOKING AT BECAUSE BERNIE
SANDERS HAD WON IT IN 2016.
NOT BY A BIG MARGIN, BY HAD ONE
AND COHOLD ON AND DO IT AGAIN
THIS TIME.
THIS TIME. THE ANSWER WAS A RESOUNDING NO.
LET’S LOOK AT SOME OF THE
NUMBERS HERE.
NUMBERS HERE. AND JUST NOW JOE BIDEN PUT THIS
TOGETHER, BECAUSE I -- IF I’M
NOT WRONG, I DON’T SEE A PURPLE
COUNTY ON THAT MAP.
>> YOU SEE ALL BIDEN BLUE ON
HERE.
HERE. THIS IS -- THIS IS LAST NIGHT IN
MICHIGAN.
MICHIGAN. BY THE WAY, THIS WAS MICHIGAN IN
2016.
2016. TOTALLY DIFFERENT STORY.
IT IS NIGHT AND DAY HERE.
>> OH MY GOSH.
>> SANDERS WAS JUST --
>> WHAT HAPPENED?
>> SANDERS RAN UP HUGE NUMBERS
IN RURAL COUNTIES, SMALL
COUNTIES, THE UPPER PENINSULA HE
LOST ONE COUNTY BY 35 VOTES IN
2016.
2016. THEN YOU LOOK AT LAST NIGHT AND
YOU SEE BLUE EVERYWHERE.
THINGS THAT WERE JUMPING OUT AT
ME ON THIS MAP, COLLEGE COUNTIES
ALL ACROSS THE STATE WHERE THE
UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN IS, WHERE
NORTHERN MICHIGAN, CENTRAL
MICHIGAN, WESTERN MICHIGAN, ALL
OF THOSE COUNTIES WERE HUGE FOR
SANDERS IN 2016.
IT LOOKS LIKE HE’S GOING TO LOSE
ALL OF THEM LAST NIGHT.
THE BIG STORY HERE, I SHOULD SAY
IN MICHIGAN WHEN YOU STARTED
LOOKING AT THE EXIT POLLS, THE
AFRICAN AMERICAN VOTE WAS CLOSE
TO 20% OF THIS STATE.
IT LOOKS ABOUT THE SAME AS IT
DID FOUR YEARS AGO.
IT WAS CLOSE TO A 40-POINT
VICTORY FOR BIDEN OVER SANDERS.
THE WHITE VOTE CHANGED
DRAMATICALLY.
DRAMATICALLY. FOUR YEARS AGO BERNIE SANDERS
WON THE WHITE VOTE IN MICHIGAN
BY 14 POINTS.
HE HAS NOW LOST TO ACCORDING TO
THE EXIT POLL BY 11.
SO A 25 POINT SWING AMONG WHITE
VOTERS.
VOTERS. THAT’S NON COLLEGE WHITE AND
COLLEGE WHITE.
COLLEGE WHITE. IT JUST ACCOUNTS FOR THE SWEEP
OF THE STATE, WHAT LOOKS LIKE A
SWEEP OF THE STATE BY JOE BIDEN.
RAISES ALL SORTS OF QUESTIONS
ABOUT A STATE THAT WAS CRITICAL
IN GENERAL ELECTION TOO.
IF JOE BIDEN MIGHT BE MORE
ACCEPTABLE TO THE VOTERS WHO
SWUNG MICHIGAN AWAY FROM THE
DEMOCRATS IN 16 THAN HILLARY
CLINTON.
CLINTON. >> SO WHAT CHANGED, STEVE?
BECAUSE WE SAW THAT GIANT RALLY
IN ANN ARBOR FOR BERNIE SANDERS
JUST A COUPLE DAYS AGO.
IS IT JUST THE CHASE THOSE YOUNG
VOTERS DIDN’T GO VOTE?
>> I THINK HE GOT SOME SUPPORT
BUT NOT AS MUCH.
YOU LOOK DOWN HERE, KALAMAZOO
COUNTY, WESTERN MICHIGAN UNIT,
JOE BIDEN 48, SANDERS 44.
LOOK WHAT THIS WAS FOUR YEARS
AGO, SANDERS GOT OVER 60% OF THE
VOTE.
VOTE. WE SAW THIS IN COUNTY AFTER
COUNTY.
COUNTY. WE SAW SUBURBAN COUNTIES.
LIVINGSTON COUNTY, IT’S A
CLASSIC COMMUTING SUBURB,
TURNOUT WAS THROUGH THE ROOF.
JOE BIDEN WOMAN BYN BY 17 POINTS
IT’S A SWING OF NEARLY 40
POINTS.
POINTS. YOU SAW IT IN MICHIGAN,
MISSOURI, YOU SAW JUST AN ENTIRE
SWEEP HERE.
SWEEP HERE. EVERY SINGLE COUNTY IN MISSOURI
LOOKS LIKE IT IS GOING TO GO TO
JOE BIDEN.
JOE BIDEN. THE SWING HERE AMONG WHITE
VOTERS, 32 POINTS.
THIS WAS THE CLOSEST STATE OF
ALL OF THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARIES
IN 2016, MISSOURI WAS THE
CLOSEST.
CLOSEST. ITS WITH A 1500-VOTE DIFFERENCE.
COLLEGE TOWN, THIS IS WHERE THE
UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI IS.
JOE BIDEN WINS IT.
FOUR YEARS AGO, SANDERS WAS
KRURN
KRURN CRUSHING HILLARY CLINTON HERE.
WE’RE SEEING THIS IN MICHIGAN,
MISSOURI, MISSISSIPPI, EVERY
SINGLE COUNTY FOR JOE BIDEN.
>> WOW.
>> WOW. AND, JOE, ONCE AGAIN IN THE
STATE OF MISSISSIPPI, IT WAS ON
THE STRENGTH OF BLACK VOTERS.
HE WON BY LIKE 70% TO JOE BIDEN
OVER BERNIE SANDERS IN
MISSISSIPPI.
MISSISSIPPI. >> I WANT TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK,
WILLIE, AT MICHIGAN.
I MEAN, HERE’S A STATE OBVIOUSLY
THAT’S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE
THREE STATES THAT’S GOING TO
DETERMINE WHETHER DONALD TRUMP
SERVE AS PRESIDENT FOUR MORE
YEARS OR IS SENT HOME.
THAT WAS A COMPLETELY
DOMINATE -- IT WAS SUCH A
DOMINATE PERFORMANCE AND
SUGGESTS THAT JOE BIDEN JUST MAY
BE THE GUY WHO CAN WIN THOSE
STATES.
STATES. AND LAST NIGHT HE WON THEM SO
BIG.
BIG. IT WAS -- IT WAS AN
EXTRAORDINARY PERFORMANCE.
EXTRAORDINARY PERFORMANCE. >> REMEMBER THE SPREAD IN 2016
IN THE STATE OF MICHIGAN WAS
ABOUT 10,500 VOTES.
IF HE CAN MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE
IN WISCONSIN AND PENNSYLVANIA,
THAT’S YOUR ELECTION RIGHT
THERE.
THERE. WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THE
COALITION MORE BROADLY NOW THAT
JOE BIDEN HAS PUT TOGETHER IN
THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.
BLACK VOTERS, AS YOU MENTIONED
EARLIER, OLDER VOTERS, MODERATE
VOTERS, YOUNG VOTERS STILL
TURNING OBVIOUSLY TOWARD BERNIE
SANDERS SO IT’S NOT QUITE THE
OBAMA COALITION.
OBAMA COALITION. BUT HE HAS PUT TOGETHER HIS OWN
BIDEN COALITION HERE.
>> WE CAN SHOW IT TO YOU JUST
WITHIN MICHIGAN, I CALLED UP A
MINUTE AGO, THIS IS ONE
COMPONENT OF THE COALITION.
THIS IS THE BLUE WAVE OF 2018.
LIVINGSTON COUNTY IS IN ONE OF
THOSE CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS
THAT WENT RED TO BLUE.
ELISSA SLOTKIN, THE DEMOCRAT
FROM THERE.
FROM THERE. BIDEN NOT JUST WINNING BY 17
POINTS, NOT A HUGE REVERSAL FROM
FOUR YEARS AGO, BUT TURNOUT HERE
IS UP 50, 5-0 PERCENT.
BUT HOW ABOUT THE OTHER SIDE OF
THE STORY IN MACOMB COUNTY, IT’S
THE CLASSIC REAGAN DEMOCRAT
COUNTY JUST NORTH OF DETROIT,
BLUE COLLAR, A LOT OF BLUE
COLLAR WHITE VOTERS HERE, JOE
BIDEN IS WINNING BY 17 POINTS.
COMPARE THAT TO FOUR YEARS AGO,
HILLARY CLINTON BARELY EEKED OUT
THE PRIMARY IN MACOMB.
AND, BOY, DID SHE RUN INTO
TROUBLE IN MACOMB IN THE GENERAL
ELECTION IN THE IS ONE OF THOSE
PLACE WHERE’S TRUMP
OVERACHIEVED.
OVERACHIEVED. SO YOU’VE GOT THAT AS WELL.
AND THEN YOU TAKE A LOOK DOWN
HERE, WAYNE COUNTY.
THIS IS ACTUALLY A PLACE WHERE
BIDEN DIDN’T DO QUITE AS WELL AS
HILLARY CLINTON.
HILLARY CLINTON. THIS IS DETROIT SUBURBS.
WE MAY HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO
BE TALLY THERE.
BUT YOU HAD LOW TURNOUT IN
DETROIT IN 2016.
DEMOCRATS WANT TO CHANGE THAT.
THEY DON’T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN
IN PLACES LIKE MACOMB COUNTY
HAPPEN AGAIN.
HAPPEN AGAIN. THEY WANT TO CONVERT THOSE 2018
VOTERS IN 2020 VOTERS.
THE MARGIN WAS SO SMALL TO BEGIN
WITH, IF THE DEMOCRATS CAN MAKE
END ROADS, THAT COULD MAKE ALL
THE ZBLIRCHS AND TURNDIFFERENCE.
>> AND TURNOUT A BIG PART OF THE
STORY.
STORY. >> THAT’S WHAT I WAS GOING TO
ASK STEVE KORNACKI.
HEY, STEVE, HOW MANY POLITICAL
PROS DO YOU KNOW THAT SAID AT
THE BEGINNING OF THIS CAMPAIGN,
JOE BIDEN, HE’S GOING TO BE THE
TURNOUT CANDIDATE?
TURNOUT CANDIDATE? I MEAN, COME ON.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
BUT JOE BIDEN IS TURNING INTO
THE TURNOUT CANDIDATE.
>> I MEAN, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
THE NUMBER IN 2016 WAS SHORT OF
1.2 MILLION THAT TURNED OUT IN
MICHIGAN.
MICHIGAN. YOU’RE WELL OVER 1.5 MILLION,
THAT’S GOING TO BE THE VOTES
THAT COME IN.
IN MISSOURI, THIS ISN’T EVEN --
THIS WON’T BE A BLUE STATE IN
THE GENERAL ELECTION LIKELY, THE
NUMBER HERE WAS ABOUT FIVE --
THE NUMBER HERE WAS 626, IT’S
NOW SITTING AT 660.
THEY’VE GONE THROUGH IT IN
MISSOURI.
MISSOURI. THE TURNOUT IS UP HERE.
IT WAS OUT IN MISSISSIPPI.
BIDEN GOT FOURTH IN IOWA, FIFTH
IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, AND HE HAD ’EM
JUST WHERE HE WANTED ’EM.
>> THAT’S AMAZING.
HE ACTUALLY HAD THIS IS WHAT HE
WAS GOING TO DO ALL ALONG, WIN
IN SOUTH CAROLINA AND KEEP