DEBATE OVER THE NEW FEDERAL
VACCINE MANDATE FOR EMPLOYERS.
>> Brandis: PRESIDENT BIDEN'S
MANDATE IS PLEASING PERSPECTIVE
ANNOUNCED LAST MINUTE, REQUIRES
ALL COMPANIES WITH 100 OR MORE
EMPLOYEES TO THE INSURED THE
SPACE THEIR WORKFORCE IS FULLY
VACCINATED AGAINST COVID-19.
AND FOR WORKERS TO WERE NOT
VACCINATED COMPLY WITH WEEKLY
COVID TESTING.
AMENDED IS INTO TO PUSH BUT
TWO-THIRDS OF AMERICAN WORKERS
TO GET VACCINATED.
BUT SOME ARE CLAIMING IT IS
GOVERNMENT OVERREACH.
JOINING US TO DISCUSS THIS
MANDATE ARE DR. RACHEL RUBIN,
TINA PUBLIC HEALTH MEDICAL
OFFICER AND COLEADING AT THE
KERR COUNTY.
DEPARTMENT OF.
HEALTH AND SENIOR FELLOW AND
DIRECTOR OF PUBLICATIONS AT THE
HEARTLAND INSTITUTE.
WELCOME TO THE BOTH OF YOU.
DR. RUBEN, LET'S START WITH YOU,
PLEASE.
WHAT YOU BELIEVE IT IS IMPORTANT
FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT
MANDATE THE VACCINE?
>> WE NEED TO HAVE AS MANY
PEOPLE VACCINATED AS POSSIBLE IN
ORDER TO GET RID OF THIS
PANDEMIC.
AND THROUGHOUT THE UNITED
STATES, ESPECIALLY ESSENTIAL
WORKERS ARE QUITE MULTIPLE TO
GETTING EXPOSE TO COVID.
WE NEED TO HAVE VACCINE
AVAILABLE AND PROVIDED TO ALL
WORKERS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE
COUNTRY.
>> Brandis: AVAILABLE AND
PROVIDED, OF COURSE, BUT
NECESSARY TO MANDATE?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
AT THIS POINT, I THINK A MANDATE
IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
THERE HAS BEEN ENOUGH VACCINE
AVAILABLE TO GO AROUND FOR
SEVERAL MONTHS NO.
AND WE STILL ARE NOWHERE NEAR
THE THRESHOLD THAT WE NEED TO BE
TO HAVE EVERYBODY SAFE.
AND SO AT THIS POINT, WE ARE AT
THE POINT OF NEEDING MANDATES.
>> Brandis: BUT YOU ARE NOT
DIFFERENT OF THE PRESIDENT'S
MANDATE.
WHY NOT?
>> IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
YOU CAN HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS
OUT THERE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO
SOLVE AND ELECTED TO HAVE THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DO IT.
BUT THIS IS NOT CONSTITUTIONAL.
THE REALITY IS THAT THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT IS UNDER WHAT IS
CALLED THE POLICE --
THE POLICE COLORS ARE RESERVED
TO THE STATE.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DESIRES
TO DO THIS.
THEY WANT TO DO THIS.
BUT THEY CAN'T AND SO THE SHOULD
NOT BREAK PRINTER TO BE CLEAR TO
THE FOLKS AT HOME,
UNCONSTITUTIONAL, YOU STATE
RELATED TO -- WHICH CLAUSE?
WHICH PART OF THE CONSTITUTION
DOES THE AMENDED BY THE?
>> THE TENTH AMENDMENT.
AND ALSO REMEMBER TO TENTH
AMENDMENT WAS FIRST CONCEPT THAT
IS CALLED THE -- WHICH MEANS
THAT EVERYTHING THAT IS NOT
EXPLICITLY GRANTED THAT THE
GOVERNMENT HAS THE POWER AND IS
GRANTED TO CONGRESS COULD NOT
THE PRESIDENT.
IS AN UN-ENUMERATED -- IT IS NOT
AN ENUMERATED.
AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
CANNOT DO IT AND THE PRESIDENT,
DO THESE THINGS EVEN IF HE HAS
CONGRESS' PERMISSION BECAUSE IT
IS NOT CONSTITUTIONAL.
BUT EVEN IF CONGRESS DOES IT AND
IT IS NOT AN ENUMERATED COLOR.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT.
SO THERE ARE TWO PLACES WHERE
THIS FALL SHORTS -- FALLS SHORT.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS ANY --
>> Brandis: AND DR. RUBIN,
YOUR DEPARTMENT REPORTS A HEIGHT
COMMUNITY TRANSMISSION LEVEL
WITH 408 NEW CASES AS OF
SATURDAY.
AND THAT IS IN THE BREATH WE ARE
LOOKING AT.
HOW IS THE MANDATE EXPECTED TO
AFFECT THE FIGHT AGAINST COVID?
>> I THINK THE MANDATE NOW GIVES
ESPECIALLY EMPLOYERS THE RIGHT
TO SAY THE WORKERS, YOU NEED TO
BE VACCINATED OR YOU DON'T WORK
HERE.
WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THE VACCINE
AVAILABLE TO YOU.
YOU WANT TO HAVE YOU SAY.
WE WANT TO HAVE OUR CUSTOMERS
SAFE.
AND I THINK THIS MANDATE IS THE
WAY TO GO AT THIS POINT.
DO NEED TO BE PROTECTING THE
PUBLIC'S HEALTH.
IT IS NOT A MATTER OF INDIVIDUAL
RIGHTS.
IT IS A MATTER OF PROTECTING
EVERYBODY'S HEALTH.
AND THAT IS THAT MANDATED PUBLIC
HEALTH.
THAT IS WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO
BE DOING.
IMAGE THAT WHEN I GET
VACCINATED, I'M NOT JUST
PROTECTING MYSELF.
AND PROTECTING MY FAMILY AND
PROTECTING MY COMMUNITY.
I'M PROTECTING MY COUNTRY.
>> Brandis: ST KARNICK, PART
OF THAT MANDATE SINCE YOU HAVE
TO SUBMIT TO THE WEEKLY TESTING
BEFORE YOU CAN TURN TO WORK.
IS THAT NOT BE PURE ALTERNATIVE?
>> IT IS A ALTERNATIVE BUT THE
REALITY IS GOOD THE DECISION --
THIS IS A MEASURE OF INDIVIDUAL
RIGHTS.
WE CAN HAVE ALL KINDS OF THINGS
THAT WE ONE FROM THE GOVERNMENT.
IF WE WANT GOVERNMENT TO DO.
BUT THERE'S A REASON THAT THEY
CAN'T DO EVERYTHING THEY WANT TO
DO.
AND WE HAVE INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.
AND IN A CASE LIKE THIS THERE'S
THE OPTION OF THE STATES, NOT
JUST INDIVIDUALS, BUT THE
STATES.
THE STATES COULD DO THIS IF THEY
WANTED TO PUT IF YOU HAVE.
SO THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT.
SO PRESIDENT BIDEN WANTS TO DO
THIS VERY BADLY.
BUT THAT IS DUE ONLY WAY TO DO
IT.
UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT
PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS A HABIT OF
DOING.
HE SEEMS TO BE -- HE SEEMS TO
FEEL LIKE HE HAS NOT HAD A GOOD
STATE IF HE HAS NOT DONE SIX
ENCLOSURE JEWELED THINGS BEFORE
-- UNCONSTITUTIONAL THINGS
BEFORE BREAKFAST.
>> Brandis: GOVERNOR RICKETTS
SPOKE WITH FOX NEWS ANCHOR CHRIS
WALLACE ON HOW CHILDREN NEED TO
BE VACCINATED TO BE VACCINATED
IN ORDER TO ATTEND SCHOOL
PARTICULAR.
>> WHY ARE THOSE THAT PARENTS
AND NEW YORK STATE MUST COMPLY
WITH AND DO COMPLAINT WITH
ROUTINELY, WHAT IS IT THAT THEY
ARE NOT SO OBJECTIONABLE IN SUCH
A VIOLATION OF PERSONAL FREEDOM?
BUT BIDEN'S VACCINE MANDATES
ARE?
>> WELL, FOR ALL THOSE THAT YOU
LOOK AT THAT THERE'S A LONG
HISTORY THAT PARENTS HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SEE HOW THOSE
THINGS HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED
PIGMENT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF
PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO DON'T KNOW
WHAT TO TRUST.
THIS IS DELETE AN OUTCOME OF
WHAT THE CDC HAS DONE BECAUSE
THEY ARE FLIP-FLOPPING SO MANY
ISSUES.
WHETHER IT IS MASKS OR THE
VACCINE AND SO FORTH BUT THERE'S
A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO
DON'T KNOW WHO TO TRUST RIGHT
NOW.
>> Brandis: SIMILAR QUESTION
TO DEPICT A GLIMMER DEPARTMENT
OF.
HEALTH HOLDS THESE SAME VACCINE
REQUIREMENTS.
IS THE COVID MANDATE MUCH
DIFFERENT?
>> IS BECAUSE IT IS THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT.
IT IS THE BIG DIFFERENCE.
WE CAN'T HAVE THIS KIND OF
INTERFERING IN SUCH INTIMATE
INDIVIDUAL CHOICES.
FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
IF THE STATES WANT TO DO IT,
THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO
IT.
UP AT THE REALITY IS THAT
EVERYONE STATE -- IT, AND
ANOTHER STATE DOES NOT DO IT,
THESE PEOPLE HAVE SOME TRISTYN
THE MATTER, THEY CAN CHOOSE
WHERE TO LIVE.
BUT WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
DOES IT, IT IS NOT RIGHT.
IT IS NOT CONSTITUTIONAL.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO
DO IT.
PRINTER DOCTOR, WHAT DID YOU
SAY?
WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO THE
PEOPLE WHO THINK THE MANDATE IS
GOVERNMENT OVERREACHING FOLKS.
>> I'M NOT A LAWYER.
I CAN'T COMMENT ON THE
CONSTITUTIONALITY ISSUE.
BUT ALL I DON'T IS THAT IT IS
ALSO THE OBLIGATION OF OUR
GOVERNMENT TO KEEP US SAFE AND
KEEP US HEALTHY.
IT WITHOUT EASEMENT IS, WHETHER
IT IS ONLY FEDERAL LEVEL OR ON
LOCAL GOVERNMENT, THE STATE
LEVEL, THE STATE OF ILLINOIS HAS
THESE MANDATES IN PLACE.
THE RECENT ORDER PLACE RELATED
TO THIS.
IS THAT WE KNOW THAT WITHOUT
THESE MANDATES, PEOPLE ARE GOING
TO DIED.
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE.
AND I THINK THAT IT IS ABSOLUTE
ONCE BUILDING WITHIN PUBLIC
HEALTH TO HAVE THESE KIND OF
MANDATES IN PLACE WHEN PEOPLE
ARE NOT ABIDING BY THE GUIDANCE
THAT IS PUT IN PLACE, WHICH IS
NOT MANDATED.
WE HAVE REACHED A POINT WHERE WE
HAVE TO HAVE MADE IT OTHERWISE