A PROFESSOR OF THE ALABAMA
UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW.
SHE IS A MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR.
CONGRESSMAN SWALWELL, I HAVE TO
START WITH YOU.
ITS HARD TO BELIEVE THE SECOND
IMPEACHMENT, IN WHICH YOU WERE
IMPEACHMENT MANAGER, IT WAS
STILL THIS YEAR, A FEW MONTHS
AGO.
IS THERE ANYTHING, NINE PAGES OF
NOTES WE HAVE SEEN, DO THEY FIT
WITH WHAT YOU POSSIBLY SAW AS AN
IMPEACHMENT MANAGER A FEW MONTHS
AGO?
>> PART OF ME WISHES THAT WE
COULD IMPEACH HIM AGAIN AND MAKE
SURE HE CAN NEVER, EVER RUN FOR
OFFICE BECAUSE HE IS SEEKING TO
DO THAT, AND HE HAS ALL THE
ELEMENTS IN PLACE TO TRY TO
OVERTURN AN ELECTION AGAIN IF HE
TRIES TO RUN FOR OFFICE.
SO GOOD EVENING, JONATHAN.
GOD
GOOD EVENING, JOYCE.
THIS IS WHAT WE SAW.
WE SAW SOMEONE WHO HAD SUCH
DISDAIN FOR THE RULE OF LAW, CON
CONTEMPT FOR DEMOCRACY.
WERE NOT GOING TO IMPEACH HIM
AGAIN, OF COURSE, BUT WE SHOULD
BRING THE WITNESSES IN, AND
UNDERSTAND WHAT VULNERABILITIES
IN GOVERNMENT, AND PUT IN PLACE
LAWS, SO IN FUTURE LEADER,
DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, CAN TEST
US IN THIS WAY AGAIN.
>> CONGRESSMAN SWALWELL, IM
SURE YOU HAVE SEEN IT NOW.
ITS AN INSTANT CLASSIC.
HERE IS JIM JORDAN TODAY.
>> DID YOU SPEAK WITH PRESIDENT
TRUMP JANUARY 6th?
>> YEAH, I SPEAK WITH HIM ALL
THE TIME.
>> ON JANUARY 6th, DID YOU SPEAK
WITH HIM BEFORE, DURING OR AFTER
THE CAPITOL WAS ATTACKED?
>> I HAVE TO GO -- I SPOKE WITH
HIM THAT DAY.
AFTER.
I THINK AFTER.
I DONT KNOW IF I SPOKE WITH HIM
IN THE MORNING OR NOT.
I JUST DONT KNOW.
I DONT KNOW THAT -- WHEN THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAPPENED.
CONVERSATIONS HAPPENED.
>> TRANSLATION, HAMINA, HAMINA,
HAMINA.
CONGRESSMAN SWALWELL, YOURE
REACTION TO THAT?
>> I REMEMBER EVERY SECOND OF
THAT DAY, SADLY, AND THERE ISNT
A DAY THAT HAS GONE BY WHERE I
HAVENT THOUGHT ABOUT THAT DAY.
SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE WHO
SHOULDNT BE AN INVESTIGATOR.
HE IS A WITNESS.
HE IS A PART OF PROPAGATING A
BIG LIE, ASEMIBLING A LIE, AND
HE HAD TO KNOW WHAT TRUMP WAS UP
TO, AND WHAT HE DID AND WHAT HE
DID NOT DO TO SAVE LIFE AND THE
COUNTING OF THE VOICE.
>> JOYCE, IM GOING TO PUT UP A
TWEET OF YOURS FROM TODAY.
YOU WROETE THE FACT THAT DOJ
TURNED THESE NOTES OVER THE
HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, THE
TYPE OF INTERNAL PRODUCT THEY
TYPELY FIGHT TO PROTECT,
SUGGESTS THIS IS SERIOUS,
POTENTIALLY CRIMINAL CONDUCT.
TALK ABOUT THAT.
>> DOJ WILL HOLD ANY OF ITS
INTERNAL WORK PRODUCT,
PARTICULARLY NOTES THAT A SENIOR
OFFICIAL MIGHT TAKE IN A KNOWN
CALL.
THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THEY TURN
OVER WITHOUT A FIGHT.
BUT THEY BELIEVE THE EVENTS ARE
SO IMPORTANT AND THE INFORMATION
IS SO CRITICAL, THEYRE GOING TO
PERMIT FORMER TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION FOLKS TO GIVE
UNRESTRICTED TESTIMONY.
THEYRE NOT GOING TO EXERT
EXECUTIVE
EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE AND THEY ARE
TURNING OVER DOCUMENTS.
THIS IS SERIOUS STUFF.
WHETHER ITS CRIMINAL REQUIRES
INVESTIGATION, BUT CERTAINLY,
THE INVESTIGATION IS MERITED.
>> AND JOYCE, IS THE INFORMATION
RELEVANT TO WHAT IS HAPPENING IN
GEORGIA, THE FULTON COUNTY
CRIMINAL PROBE INTO A PHONE CALL
IN WHICH TRUMP TRIED TO PRESSURE
THE GEORGIA SECRETARY OF STATE,
FIND ME 10,780 VOTES?
>> SO JONATHAN, THE INTERPLAY
BETWEEN THE TWO EVENTS IS PRETTY
INTERESTING.
LET ME TALK ABOUT ONE WAY IT
MIGHT BE SIGNIFICANT.
PROSECUTORS HAVE A HARD TIME SO
PROVE INTENT.
WAS THERE A PLAN TO OVERTURN THE
RESULTS OF A LEGETSITIMATE
ELECTION?
AND SOMETHING THAT MAKES IT MORE
LIKELY IT WAS INTENTIONAL RATHER
THAN AN ACCIDENT, IF THERE IS
EVIDENCE OF A REPEATED COURSE OF
CONDUCT, AND ITS ACTUALLY
ADMISSIBLE EVIDENCE, SAY GEORGIA
WERE TO INDICT, PROSECUTORS
WOULD OFFER EVIDENCE OF OTHER
SIMILAR RELATED COURSES OF
CONDUCT, LIKE THE PRESSURE THAT