DAVID:
WELL, THE DEBATE OVER ILLEGAL
IMMIGRATION, WHETHER U.S.
TAXPAYERS OWE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS
RIGHTS AND SERVICES USUALLY
RESERVED FOR CITIZENS, WILL
CONTINUE IN 2020.
SEVERAL NEW LAWS ARE GOING TO GO
INTO EFFECT ON BOTH COASTS AT
MIDNIGHT.
CALIFORNIA'S GOING TO GIVE
EVERYONE IN THE STATE ACCESS TO
HEALTH CARE REGARDLESS OF
IMMIGRATION STATUS.
AND NEW YORK AND NEW JERSEY ARE
GOING TO BE ISSUING DRIVER'S
LICENSES TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
JOINING US NOW IS ACTING FORMER
I.C.E. DIRECTOR TOM HOMAN.
GREAT TO SEE YOU, TOM.
SO WHAT KIND OF IMPACT DO YOU
THINK THESE LAWS ARE GOING TO
HAVE ON LAW ENFORCEMENT?
>> WELL, LOOK, MY CONCERN IS
THEY'RE NORMALIZING BAD
BEHAVIOR.
THEY'RE NORMALIZING ILLEGAL
BEHAVIOR.
I MEAN, GETTING A DRIVER'S
LICENSE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A
PRIVILEGE.
IN MY OP-ED I SAID -- THE LEFT
SAID THIS IS A WIN FOR THE
IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY.
NO, IT'S NOT.
LEGAL IMMIGRANTS CAN ALREADY GET
A DRIVER'S LICENSE.
WHEN I FIRST BECAME DIRECTOR TWO
YEARS AGO, I TOOK A LOT OF HATE
FOR IT, BUT IT'S TRUTH, IF YOU
CHOOSE TO ENTER THIS COUNTRY
ILLEGALLY IN VIOLATION OF
FEDERAL LAW, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED
TO BE COMFORTABLE.
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING
OVER YOUR SHOULDER.
WE CAN'T REWARD YOU WITH GIVING
YOU PRIVILEGES.
IF I SPEED DOWN THE HIGHWAY AT
100 MILES AN HOUR, I'M GOING TO
GET A TICKET.
WHEN YOU ENTER THIS COUNTRY
ILLEGALLY IN VIOLATION OF THE
LAW, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE
UNCOMFORTABLE.
WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO REWARD
THAT.
>> TOM, IT'S JONATHAN HOENIG, IT
WAS REPORTED THIS AFTERNOON THAT
THE TRUMP WINERY HAS ACTUALLY
FIRED SEVEN UNDOCUMENTED
WORKERS.
YOU MENTION REWARDING,
QUOTE-UNQUOTE, BAD BEHAVIOR.
DOES IT SURPRISE YOU THAT GIVEN
ALL HE'S TALKING TALKED ABOUT TA
ALL HE'S TALKING TALKED ABOUT TT
THERE'S UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS
WORKING AT HIS WINELY?
>> TIMES EMPLOYERS DON'T KNOW
THEY'RE ILLEGAL BECAUSE THEY
PRESENT FRAUDULENT DOCUMENTS.
AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE
SOCIAL SECURITY CARDS AND
DRIVER'S LICENSES FROM DIFFERENT
STATES, THEY LOOK REAL BUT
THEY'RE NOT.
IT'S HARD FOR AN EXPERT TO TELL.
WHICH IS GETTING BACK TO
DRIVER'S LICENSES, THAT'S LIKE
DMV EMPLOYEES IN NEW YORK SUED
BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT AN
EL SALVADORAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE
LOOKS LIKE.
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THESE
PEOPLE ARE THAT COME IN AND GET
THESE DRIVER'S LICENSES.
DAVID: KEVIN?
>> HEY, TOM.
SO I GUESS THE BIGGEST QUESTION
HERE IS WHAT -- ARE THERE ANY
BENEFITS OR IS THERE ANYTHING
THAT CAN BE POSITIVE THAT CAN
COME FROM THIS WHETHER IT'S
HELPING TO TRACK THESE PEOPLE,
BECAUSE IT'S REALLY, REALLY HARD
TO SEE THE UPSIDE IN THIS
BECAUSE WE ARE REWARDING BAD
BEHAVIOR.
>> WHAT I WOULD DO IF I WAS
I.C.E., I WOULD -- FIRST OF ALL,
DOJ NEEDS TO SUE NEW YORK
BECAUSE I THINK THIS LAW'S A
VIOLATION OF TITLE VIII THAT
SAYS YOU CAN'T CREATE, NO
JURISDICTION CAN CREATE SOME
PROGRAM OR POLICY THAT YOU
PREVENT EMPLOYEES FROM SHARING
IMMIGRATION INFORMATION.
AND NEW YORK LAW SAYS YOU CAN'T
SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH
I.C.E.
SO I THINK DOJ NEEDS TO SUE.
NOW, LET'S SAY THEY DON'T BEAT
THE DRIVER'S LICENSE, I.C.E.
NEEDS ACCESS TO THAT DATABASE,
AND WE'LL USE THE ADDRESSES AND
LOOK FOR THEM.
AND WE'LL JUST USE THAT AS A
DATA MINE.
BUT DOJ NEEDS TO SUE.
THEY NEED TO TAKE THE DRIVER'S
LICENSE AWAY.
AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW WHO THESE
PEOPLE ARE.
LOOK, I READ IN A NEWSPAPER
ARTICLE, IT'S GOING TO HELP THEM
GET JOBS.
THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO WORK!
THEY'RE IN THE COUNTRY
ILLEGALLY.
THERE'S NOTHING GOOD ABOUT THIS
LAW, NOTHING.
>> GO AHEAD.
>> HI, TOM, THIS IS JOHN
BURNETT.
IF I WAS SOMEONE IN A FOREIGN
COUNTRY AND I HEARD THAT YOU'RE
GIVING AWAY DRIVER'S LICENSES,
I'D HAVE FREE HEALTH CARE, YOU
KNOW WHAT?
I'D BE TRYING TO MAKE MY WAY ON
FOOT, LAND, BOAT, ANY WAY --
[LAUGHTER]
WHATEVER RESOURCES I COULD USE
TO GET HERE, I WOULD ACTUALLY
TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.
SO IT'S GOING TO PUT A BURDEN ON
LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT IT'S ALSO
GOING TO PUT A BURDEN ON OUR
SOCIAL SAFETY NET.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT NEW
YORK AND CALIFORNIA, WE'RE
EXPERIENCING A HOMELESS CRISIS.
THIS IS GOING TO ACTUALLY PUT A
BURDEN ON THE HOUSING, IT'S
GOING TO PUT A BURDEN ON OUR
SOCIAL PROGRAMS LIKE HEALTH CARE
AND SOCIAL SECURITY, THINGS OF
THAT NATURE.
SO WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE IN TERMS
OF OUR REACTION IN TERMS OF THE
ELECTORATE, WHAT -- HOW DO WE
ACTUALLY GET E THE MESSAGE
ACROSS THAT THERE'S A SOCIAL
COST HERE?
>> WELL, I THINK THE
ADMINISTRATION'S PUSHING THAT
OUT NOW.
I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE
EXACTLY RIGHT.
WITH ALL THE DEMOCRATIC PEOPLE,
DEMOCRATS WANTING TO RUN FOR
PRESIDENT, GET RID OF I.C.E.
ENFORCE SANCTUARY CITIES, FREE
HEALTH CARE.
DO THEY REALLY THINK THAT'S
GOING TO SOLVE THE IMMIGRATION
CRISIS?
THAT'S GOING TO BRING MORE
IMMIGRATION WHICH IS GOING TO
COST MORE MONEY.
SOCIAL SERVICES ARE ALREADY
STRAPPED.
WE'VE GOT SCHOOLS, ENGLISH AS A
SECOND LANGUAGE, THEY'RE HOLDING
ENGLISH-SPEAKING CHILDREN BACK.
WE'VE GOT TRAUMA CENTERS ACROSS
THE COUNTRY SHUTTING DOWN, WE'VE
GOT SOCIAL SERVICES, THEY'RE
BANKRUPT.
AND, YOU KNOW, JUST THE HEALTH
CARE ALONE THEY SAID IS GOING TO
COST ABOUT $30 TRILLION.
THAT'S MORE THAN DOUBLE WHAT OUR
NATIONAL DEFICIT IS NOW.
AND I SAID IN ANOTHER SHOW THIS
COUNTRY WILL COLLAPSE, AND IT
WILL.
WE CANNOT TAKE CARE OF THE REST
OF THE WORLD.
WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR THIS.
>> TOM, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH IN
CALIFORNIA I THINK THEY'VE BEEN
FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW, MAYBE
THREE OR FOUR YEARS, ISSUING
DRIVER'S LICENSES TO PEOPLE
THERE ILLEGALLY, AND THAT HAS
RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT VOTER
FRAUD BECAUSE THERE'S A VERY
SIMPLE ROUTE BETWEEN APPLYING
FOR A DRIVER'S LICENSE AND
GETTING ON THE VOTER
REGISTRATION ROLLS.
HAVE YOU ANY DATA OR HAVE YOU
SEEN EVIDENCE THAT THAT IS
EXACTLY WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED IN
CALIFORNIA?
>> I HAVEN'T IN CALIFORNIA, BUT
YOU'RE RIGHT.
IN MY OP-ED, I TALK ABOUT THIS
IS GOING TO LEAD TO VOTER FRAUD.
BACK WHEN I WAS AN AGENT BACK IN
DALLAS 15 YEARS AGO, WE HAD A
CASE, WE HAD A UNIVERSITY IN
THAT'S THAT HAD THEIR OWN ZIP
CODE, AND WE HAD MULTIPLE, I
MEAN, HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE VOTING
FRAUDULENTLY WITH USAGE OF FAKE
DRIVER'S LICENSES.
AND THAT'S WHAT CONCERNS ME.
WHEN WE START GIVING PEOPLE A
LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT
IDENTIFICATION, THAT'S GOING TO
LEAD TO VOTER FRAUD.
THAT'S GOING TO LEAD TO WELFARE
FRAUD, TO ALL KINDS OF FRAUD.
THAT'S WHY I SAY IT AGAIN, IF
YOU'RE IN THIS COUNTRY
ILLEGALLY, WE CAN'T NORMALIZE
THAT.
WE NEED TO, WE -- THEY HAVE TO
BE UNCOMFORTABLE, THEY HAVE TO
BE LOOKING OVER THEIR SHOULDER.
IF THERE'S NO CONSEQUENCE AND NO
DETERRENCE TO VIOLATING OUR LAWS
AND YOU COME HERE AND GET A GIFT
AND MORE ENTICEMENTS, WHY WOULD
THEY STOP COMING?
DAVID: AND AS MY DAD USED TO
SAY, DRIVER'S LICENSE IS NOT A
RIGHT, IT'S A PRIVILEGE.
AND THESE PEOPLE HAVE DONE
NOTHING TO DESERVE A PRIVILEGE
LIKE THAT IF THEY'RE THERE, HERE