>>> A DISTURBING TREND ACROSS
THE COUNTRY IS NOT LETTING UP.
COVID CASES ARE RISING, AND THE
UNVACCINATED ACCOUNT FOR NEARLY
ALL HOSPITALIZATIONS AND DEATHS
WHICH IS WHY NEW MASKING
GUIDELINES ARE BEING CONSIDERED
EVEN FOR FULLY VACCINATED
AMERICANS WHICH MAKE UP JUST
OVER 45% OF THE U.S. POPULATION
ACCORDING TO CDC DATA.
HERES DR. FAUCI EARLIER TODAY.
>> DO YOU THINK MASKS SHOULD BE
BROUGHT BACK FOR VACCINATED
AMERICANS?
>> YOU KNOW, JAKE, THIS IS ONUND
ACTIVE CONSIDERATION.
IF YOURE ASKING AM I PART OF
THE DISCUSSION?
YES, I AM.
PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
>> MONDAY ST. LOUIS JOINS PLACES
LIKE LOS ANGELES COUNTY IN
REQUIRING MASKS INDOORS.
NEW YORK CITYS MAYOR IS
MANDATING PUBLIC HOSPITAL
EMPLOYEES BE VACCINATED OR
SUBMIT TO WEEKLY TESTING AND
URGING PRIVATE BUSINESSES IN THE
CITY TO REQUIRE WORKERS BE
VACCINATED, SIGNALING HE MAY
INTRODUCE VACCINATION MANDATES
FOR HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF
MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES.
THESE EFFORTS AND CAMPAIGNS,
YES, ARE ABOUT STOPPING THE
SPREAD OF COVID AND ITS DELTA
VARIANT.
BUT ITS ALSO ABOUT SOMETHING
ELSE WHICH DR. FAUCI EXPLAINED
EARLIER ON MSNBC.
>> IF YOU ALLOW THE VIRUS TO
FREELY CIRCULATE BECAUSE SO MANY
PEOPLE ARE UNVACCINATED, YOU
GIVE IT YET AGAIN ANOTHER
OPPORTUNITY TO MUTATE EVEN MORE,
AND YOU MAY WIND UP WITH
CREATING A VARIANT THAT IN FACT
ALLUDES THE PROTECTION OF THE
VACCINE.
>> "NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTING
BIDEN OFFICIALS INCREASINGLY
EXPECT VULNERABLE POPULATIONS TO
NEED A BOOSTER SHOT AS RESEARCH
CONTINUES INTO THE LONGEVITY OF
COVID VACCINES.
>>> A NUMBER OF THE VULNERABLE
POPULATIONS, CASES,
HOSPITALIZATIONS AND DEATHS ARE
RISING, REPUBLICAN STRONGHOLDS
WHICH MAY EXPLAIN WHY THERE IS A
NOTICEABLE DIFFERENCE IN HOW
REPUBLICANS ARE TALKING ABOUT
VACCINES.
>> I WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO
GET THE VACCINE.
I HAVE HIGH CONFIDENCE IN IT.
I GOT IT MYSELF.
>> GOVERNMENT HAS A ROLE TO PLAY
IN ENCOURAGEING PEOPLE TO GET
VACCINATED.
IVE DONE THAT CONSISTENTLY FROM
THE BEGINNING.
I THINK EVERYONE WHO IS ELIGIBLE
SHOULD BE VACCINATED.
>> THESE VACCINES ARE SAVING
LIVES.
THEY ARE REDUCING MORTALITY.
>> THESE SHOTS NEED TO GET IN
EVERYBODYS ARM AS RAPIDLY AS
POSSIBLE.
>> DR. FAUCI SAYS HE WANTS TO
SEE MORE.
>> WHAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO
SEE IS MORE AND MORE OF THE
LEADERS IN THOSE AREAS THAT ARE
NOT VACCINATED TO GET OUT AND
SPEAK OUT AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE
TO GET VACCINATED.
I WAS HEARTENED TO HEAR PEOPLE
LIKE STEVE SCALISE SAY WE NEED
TO GET VACCINATED, EVEN GOVERNOR
DeSANTIS IN FLORIDA IS SAYING
THE SAME THING.
>> IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THE GOP TO
REMOVE THE VERY DOUBT THEY
HELPED CREATE?
AS MY NEXT GUEST ARGUES IN
"SLATE" INCUBATING, AMPLIFYING
AND POLISHING LIES IS NOW THE
FULL-TIME OCCUPATION OF MUCH OF
THE GOP.
FACED WITH THE CHOICE BETWEEN
GOVERNING AND LYING, THEY HAVE
DECIDED TO BE PURVEYORS OF
FICTION.
WITH ME THE SENIOR EDITOR AND LEGAL CORRESPONDENT FOR "SLATE"
LEGAL CORRESPONDENT FOR "SLATE"
AND HOST OF "THE AMICUS"
PODCAST.
THERE ARE REPUBLICANS STOKING
FEARS AND MISTRUST AND SOME
REPUBLICANS URGING PEOPLE TO GET
SHOTS IN ARMS AS "THE NEW
YORKER" PUTS IT, "THESE
STATEMENTS WERE NOT A
COINCIDENT.
THEY WERE A COORDINATED
POLITICAL RETREAT AND NO WONDER.
THE NEW POLITICS OF THE PANDEMIC
ARE FOLLOWING THE ALARMING NEW
MATH OF THE PANDEMIC."
THAT MATH BEING UPTICKS IN RED
STATES.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS
ABOUT-FACE, DAHLIA?
>> I THINK YOU NAILED THE
PROBLEM AND THE PROBLEM IS THAT
IF THE END PRODUCT IS LIES AND
THE END PRODUCT HAS BEEN LIES
FOR SUCH A LONG TIME, THE END
PRODUCT ABOUT THE RESULTS OF THE
ELECTION WAS LIES AND THE END
PRODUCT ABOUT THE VACCINE WAS
LIES, SUDDENLY, WHEN THE RUBBER
HITS THE ROAD AND PEOPLE BELIEVE
THE LIES, AND IN FACT, THE DAILY
ACT OF GOVERNANCE IS PREMOTORING
AND SPREADING AND AMPLIFYING THE
LIES, YOU HAVE EXISTENTIAL
PROBLEMS THAT RESULT FROM THAT.
WE SAW THAT, THAT WAS JANUARY
6th, WHEN PEOPLE CAME TOGETHER
AND ABSOLUTELY WRAPPED
THEMSELVES IN LIES.
THATS THE PROBLEM WERE SEEING
NOW THE VACCINES, WHERE PEOPLE
ARE SAYING GIVEN THAT TRUTH IS
UNKNOWABLE, I GUESS ILL JUST
BELIEVE THE LAST THING I READ ON
FACEBOOK, AND THIS UTTER LACK OF
TRUST IN A GOVERNMENT THAT HAS
SENT SUCH PROFOUNDLY CONFLICTING
MESSAGES, MEANS THAT NOW FOLKS
REALLY FEEL LIKE WHY WOULD I
LISTEN TO WHAT THE GOVERNMENT
SAYS AT ALL?
ILL JUST LISTEN TO MY
MOTHER-IN-LAW.
>> WHEN YOU ZOOM OUT, WHEN WE
LOOK AT TRUMP, YOU WRITE ABOUT
HOW HIS LIES ABOUT SOMETHING
SEEMINGLY RIDICULOUS LIKE CROWD
SIZE FOR EXAMPLE WOULD LEAVE TO
HIS BOOSTERS GIVING LIFE.
EXPERTS WERE WARNING THIS
MANIPULATION WAS HOW STRONG MEN
CLING TO POWER FOR SURE.
ITS EASY ENOUGH TO PUSH IT A
WITH A, ONCE HE WAS NO LONGER
PRESIDENT THE FLATTERY OF
ADJUSTING FOR HIS BENEFIT WOULD
STOP.
ITS CLEAR THE FALSEHOOD ITSELF
IS THE END GAME.
WHY IS THIS SOMETHING THAT
EXCEEDED TRUMPS TIME IN OFFICE
AND ACTUALLY OVERTAKEN HIS
PARTY?
>> THAT TO ME ALICIA IS THE
QUESTION THAT WE ALL BELIEVE IF
WE COULD PUT TO REST THE
FABRICATION FICTIONS AROUND THE
22 ELECTION, THE SILLY, TRIVIAL
LIES ABOUT CROWD SIZE AND
CHANGING WEATHER MAPS AND ALL
THAT SEEMS SO UTTERLY SILLY IF
WE COULD PUT THAT ASIDE, MAYBE
WE COULD COME TOGETHER ON SHARED
FACTICITY WHEN TRUMP WAS GONE
AND WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FLAG IN
THAT ARTICLE IS TRUMP IT SEEMS
WAS NOT THE PROBLEM.
THE LIES WERE THE PROBLEM AND REMOVING TRUMP FROM THE PICTURE,
REMOVING TRUMP FROM THE PICTURE,
IF YOU HAVE A GOP THAT IS STILL
FUNCTIONALLY PURVEYING THE LAYS
DAY IN AND DAY OUT, SAYING THOSE
WERE JUST TOURISTS AT THE
CAPITOL JANUARY 6th, THEY WERE
PATRIOTS, WERENT VIOLENT OR
COVID IS IN NO WAY DIFFERENT
FROM THE FLU, THEN TRUMP WAS
NEVER THE PROBLEM AND WE MAKE A
MISTAKE WHEN WE SAY POST TRUMP