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LOU: WELL, AS WE REPORTED TO
YOU, NEW FEARS THAT EARLY FALL
COULD BRING WITH IT A SECOND
WAVE OF THE CHINA VIRUS AND MORE
DEATHS, OF COURSE.
FEARS THAT CAUSED A MAJOR
SELLOFF TODAY ON WALL STREET.
BUT WHEN COMPARED TO THE ACTUAL
NUMBERS THIS SPRING, THE NEW
PREDICTIONS, WELL, THEY’RE
SOMEWHAT CONCERNING.
THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON
MODEL THAT PREDICTS THAT DEATHS
WILL DECLINE IN JUNE AND JULY
AND REMAIN FLAT IN AUGUST BUT
THEN RISE AGAIN IN SEPTEMBER AND
OCTOBER HAS BEEN CONTROVERSIAL.
THE MODEL ALSO PREDICTED THAT BY
OCTOBER 1ST, DAILY DEATHS WILL
HIT MORE THAN 1,000 AMERICANS.
BUT THAT NUMBER FALLS WELL BELOW
THE PREVIOUS HIGH DAILY DEATH
TOLL IN THE UNITED STATES,
ALMOST 2300 BACK ON APRIL 15TH.
SO WE HAVE A LOT TO ANSWER, AND
FOR THAT WE HAVE TURNED TO TWO
FOLKS I CAN’T WAIT TO TALK TO.
JOINING US TONIGHT IS FOX NEWS
MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT DR. MARK
SEEING AND IF ALEX BERENSON,
FORMER NEW YORK TIMES JOURNALIST
AND AUTHOR.
AMAZON BRIEFLY, BY THE WAY,
BLOCKED THE SALE OF HIS NEW BOOK
BUT THEN REPENTED WHEN THEY
HEARD FROM ELON MUSK.
UNREPORTED TRUTHS ABOUT COVID-19
AND LOCK DOWN’S, THE TITLE.
IT’S NOW THIRD ON THE BESTSELLER
CHARTS, AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND
THAT YOU READ THE BOOK AND IN SO
DOING DRIVE THE BOOK EVEN HIGHER
ON THAT CHART.
ALEX, LET ME START WITH YOU.
YOU MUST HAVE A WARM SPOT IN
YOUR HEART FOR BOTH AMAZON AND
ELON MUSK.
>> I DON’T HAVE SUCH A WARM SPOT
FOR AMAZON, ALTHOUGH THE
CONTROVERSY OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW,
GOT SOME ATTENTION FOR THE BOOK.
AMAZON IS A MONOPOLIST,
BASICALLY, WHEN IT COMES TO
BOOKS.
THEY’RE INCREDIBLY DOMINANT ON
THE SALES SIDE, AND THEY’VE
BENEFITED TREMENDOUSLY FROM THE
LOCKDOWN.
THE STOCK -- WELL, NOT TODAY
ANYMORE, BUT IT WAS AT AN
ALL-TIME HIGH, YOU KNOW, AS OF
YESTERDAY.
LOU: RIGHT.
>> AND SO IT IS UP TO THEM.
IT IS INCUMBENT UPON THEM NOT TO
CENSOR, NOT TO HIDE VIEWS THAT,
YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NOT LIKE OR
MAY NOT HELP THEIR CORPORATE
POSITION.
AND I KNOW THAT --
LOU: OH, WE --
>> -- THAT THEY HAVE TRIED
TO -- .
LOU: YEAH, WE COULD GO DOWN
THAT, I MEAN, THE LEFT IN THIS
COUNTRY RIGHT NOW IS TRYING TO
CENSOR AND CANCEL AND STULTIFY
EVERY VOICE THAT IS COUNTER TO
THEIR NARRATIVE AND IDEOLOGY --
>> IT REALLY IS IS.
LOU: WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION
ANOTHER DAY.
I WANT TO TURN, FIRST, IF I MAY,
THE ISSUE ON THIS CHINA VIRUS.
IS THIS DAMN THING GOING TO COME
BACK IN A SECOND WAVE?
DOES DR. FAUCI HAVE A CLUE WHAT
HE IS TALKING ABOUT, AND IF HE
DOES, TELL US THE CORRECT
STATEMENTS AND SEPARATE THEM
FROM THE BIZARRE STATEMENTS.
>> WELL, I THINK THAT KIND OF
SABER-RATTLING INAPPROPRIATE.
BY THE WAY, THEY SHOULD RENAME
ALEX BOOK "AMAZON SAYS IF YOU
END THE LOCKDOWNS, YOU MIGHT BE
ABLE TO SOCIAL DISTANCE AT A
BOOKSTORE AND BUY ALEX’S BOOK
THERE, RIGHT?"
[LAUGHTER]
AS FAR AS THIS POINT ABOUT THE
LOCKDOWN --
LOU: WITH A HELL OF A SUBTITLE,
AT LEAST.
[LAUGHTER]
>> LOU, LISTEN, THIS VIRUS CAME
UPON US SO SUDDENLY, AND IT WAS
PANIC THAT CAUSED THE LOCKDOWNS
IN THE FIRST PLACE.
IT DOESN’T MAKE PUBLIC HEALTH
SENSE BECAUSE THE VIRUS RIDDLED
THROUGH THE COMMUNITIES X THEN
YOU LOCK IT DOWN, AND THE VIRUS
SPREADS MORE WITHIN THE
COMMUNITIES.
AND THERE’S NO TRAVEL BANS IN
PLACE THAT PREVENTS PEOPLE FROM
COMING IN.
IN AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND,
THEY NEVER HAD THESE NUMBER OF
CASES BECAUSE THEY CLOSED THE
BORDERS THE WAY THE PRESIDENT
WANTED TO DO HERE AND WASN’T
ABLE TO DO.
SO NOW YOU HAVE A SITUATION
WHERE WE’RE FINALLY STARTING TO
OPEN UP AND, YES, WE’RE DOING
MORE TESTING WHICH SHOWS THAT
THERE’S MORE CASES IN CERTAIN
AREAS, BUT YOU’RE NOT SEEING
MORE HOSPITALIZATIONS, YOU’RE
NOT SEEING MORE DEATHS.
"THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" --
LOU: WELL, IN SOME STATES, IN
SOME STATES, IN SOME STATES --
I’M SORRY, MARK.
IN SOME STATES WE ARE SEEING
MORE.
I THINK IT’S TOO EARLY --
>> YES.
MORE TESTING.
IT’S BECAUSE OF MORE TESTING.
LOU: OKAY.
AND, ALEX, YOUR THOUGHTS --
[INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS]
>> YEAH, MY THOUGHTS ARE IT’S
QUITE POSSIBLE WE’LL SEE A,
QUOTE-UNQUOTE, SECOND WAVE IN
THE FALL.
RESPIRATORY VIRUSES COBETTER IN
THE FALL -- DO BETTER IN THE
FALL AND WINTER.
BY THE WAY, WE DON’T SAY WE’RE
ON THE 108TH WAVE OF THE FLU.
IT MAY BE CORONAVIRUS SEASON IN
THE FALL AND WINTER, AND WE’RE
GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.
AND WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE
SURE IF THERE’S SHORT-TERM
SURGES, THAT WE HAVE HOSPITAL
CAPACITY.
AND WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE
SURE WE PROTECT NURSING HOMES
AND PEOPLE WITH SEVERE
CO-MORBIDITIES, BUT WE CAN’T
LOCK THE COUNTRY DOWN AGAIN.
THE ANSWER IS NOT TO PRETEND
THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, CAN’T
HAPPEN AGAIN, IT’S TO TALK ABOUT
WHAT WE’RE GOING TO DO IF IT
DOES.
BECAUSE THE CDC’S BEST ESTIMATE
ON THIS IS THAT 1 IN 400 PEOPLE
WHO GET IT, ON AVERAGE, ARE
GOING TO DIE, OKAY?
THAT’S NOT 3 IN 10 OR 1 IN 50 OR
1 IN 100.
IT’S NOT THE FLU EITHER.
IT’S MORE THAN THE FLU, BUT IT
ISN’T SO MUCH THAT WE SHOULD
PANIC.
WE NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBLE
STEPS.
>> I WANT TO ADD TO THIS, LOU --
LOU: DOCTOR?
SURE.
>> YOU KNOW WHAT WORKS THE BEST?
SOCIAL DISTANCING WORKS THE BEST
WHEN YOU HAVE A SITUATION WHERE
THE VIRUS IS THROUGHOUT THE
COMMUNITY.
AND THEN THERE’S A WORD CALLED
COCOONING WHERE YOU PROTECT
PEOPLE MOST AT RISK.
THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE YOU WANT AT
HOME, THOSE MOST AT RISK.
AND, BY THE WAY, YOU DON’T ADMIT
PEOPLE TO NURSING HOMES WHO ARE
COVID 9-POSITIVE, MR.--
COVID-19-POSITIVE, MR. GOVERNOR.
IT’S CALLED COCOONING AND YOU
SOCIAL DISTANCE LIKE THEY DID IN
THE STATE OF WISCONSIN.
CAREFUL REOPENING WITH SOCIAL
DISTANCING IN PLACE WORKINGS.
LOU: SO LET ME --
[INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS]
LOU: LET’S GO TO -- WELL, WE’RE
GOING TO --
[LAUGHTER]
WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO CUT IT
HERE.
I WANTED TO JUST ASK YOU
QUICKLY, ALEX AND YOU, DR.
SIEGEL, AGAIN, 15 SECONDS, IS,
ARE WE, ARE WE DOING WHAT’S
RIGHT RIGHT NOW IN THIS COUNTRY?
>> NO.
LOU: ALEX?
>> WE NEED TO BE REOPENING MORE
AGGRESSIVELY, AND WE SHOULD
ESPECIALLY HAVE SCHOOLS AND
CAMPS OPEN, ABSOLUTELY.
WE’VE PUNISHED CHILDREN BECAUSE
OF THIS VIRUS.
IT’S SO --
LOU: WE’VE GOT, WE’VE GOT YA.
MARK, YOU GET THE LAST WORD.
REAL QUICK.
>> I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT.
AND, YES, THERE IS A SEASONAL
QUALITY HERE AND, YES, WE HAVE
TO KEEP AN EYE ON THE FALL, BUT
WE HAVE TO REOPEN AGGRESSIVELY.
I AGREE.
LOU: THANK YOU.