In terms of the cooking stuff they have basically
fake traditional values because very few younger Ukrainian women we'll say under
30 can cook as well as an Italian guy judged by how well my Italian male
friends cook and I'd probably rather invite them over to cook
[Russian] Привет из Одессы Мама! [English] Welcome back to another episode of the
the vodka vodcast with me Conor Clyne and in today's episode
it's going to be continuation of a video that I did last week where I focused on
mgtow men going their own way and some of their views about dating here in
Eastern Europe so in countries like Ukraine and Russia
and Belarus now in last week's video I dealt primarily
with the marriage rate and divorce because actually
this region is basically the highest region in the world for divorce
and it's obviously a region well not obviously maybe to
to you but for sure it's a region that doesn't have
radical feminism at all and relative to the West
women are less feminist but the divorce rate and
the initiation of divorce by women is actually higher here
so I took out that part of it and I made a separate video last week so definitely
go and check it out up above in the card or down below in
the description after this one if you're curious about
the actual divorce issue in today's video we're going to be diving
into some of the other points that come up made
by many red pill philosophers out there especially those who are mgtow
which is a subset of red pill philosophy now I don't disagree with everything
that red pill red pillars or red pill philosophy says
about the nature of dating between men and women I actually
agree with a lot of it but there are a lot of
myths and misconceptions that many especially mgtow so this is the
subset men going their own way so these are guys who renounce
all permanent or long-term relationships with women
because primarily because of feminism in the West as they see it
so one of their basic tenets is that because of feminism
and female emancipation in the West so they start off with the first wave
of feminism getting the right to vote then the right to run for public office
right to work and that progressed over a century
up to when they have reproductive rights and so on and so forth now we see
radical feminism gaining ground in many
Western European countries and also of course in North America and basically they say that all of this feminism
from the beginning basically has led to this situation where
feminism has destroyed traditional relations between men and women well you
could say tradition always unless it's maintained dies out so in
this video I want to dive into a couple more of where
myths or mistakes I think they make when they analyze here because
many mgtowers I guess you can call them they think that they are the
these unicorns here in Eastern Europe many of them use that word for these
women who have these traditional values and I have of course
many vodcasts where we bring up this topic of
traditional that is really really traditional going to a little bit again
but if you want a more in-depth analysis then of course of
another vodcast so I'll link it up above in the card and down below in the
description you can watch that after this one so how does mgtow or men going
their own way see Eastern Europe and women basically
I think I actually read this recently somewhere they think that if you come
here the women are going to have the values of your
grandma with the looks of a supermodel now there are
many women here of course who are beautiful and I would say that in
general you're going to see at least three times as many beautiful
women walking around on the streets of the sea like
odessa i'm just here by the port we've got a beautiful sunset
here actually by the way it's an Indian summer we're at the end of September 26
degrees celsius boom that's another reason to be interested
in Eastern Europe is the weather in the south of Ukraine at this time of year
and you will see the streets just so many
bombshells that's the only bombshells I like to quip that you'll see here just
really there's a high concentration of beautiful
women now if you were to follow along the train of thought of guys who follow
red pill philosophy then feminism as we see in the West whether that be just more
traditional feminism or more radical feminism that has
destroyed the women and their values here so
basically the women here in Eastern Europe because they haven't been
afflicted by feminism they are basically all cooking and cleaning and
I don't know looking after a man staying at home being these loyal
1950s kind of trophy wives because of course they look
stunning and then they behave like the values of your grandmother like a
babushka as we'd say here in Russian or babusa in Ukrainian now
I always love to joke that in terms of the cooking stuff
they have basically fake traditional values
because very few younger Ukrainian women will say under 30 can cook
as well as an Italian guy judged by how well my Italian male friends cook
and I'd probably rather invite them over to cook now I'm not saying of course
that no Ukrainian girls can cook in the country but basically if you come
with that stereotype then it doesn't really hold true and one of
the reasons for that is women here
are younger women here grew up on a steady diet of
narcissism from things like instagram where they can post
photos and get lots of cheap validation from the horny
hordes of foreign guys who don't necessarily ever come here to Odessa but
just on line giving them lots of validation
that idea that they're all sitting at home looking for the good man to look
after and start cleaning cooking from the house
ah it's extremely rare and as I said they don't have radical feminism here
it's basically non-existent nor do they really have that much
feminism would say early ... I think like demanding equal rights like things like
real equal pay for equal work not what you see with radical feminists
in the West where they want equity which is
equal pay for not necessarily equal work they just want to feel entitled to
it you don't have these things here but at the same time you also don't have
this stereotype a stereotypical reality in terms of
women just wanting to stay at home and do the cooking and cleaning now
don't get me wrong definitely in my experience
I've been talking to lots of women here and seen it with my own eyes
I think in general women in Eastern Europe are more likely to prioritize things
like looking after a child over maybe pursuing a career in those
early years of child rearing I think that is a difference but beyond that
I certainly don't see a huge difference not in between the two regions
so just taking a step back and going back to the looks because I didn't
mention just how many beautiful women there
are here in Eastern Europe definitely and this is a
to a certain extent connected with feminism in the West
and fat promotion or they like to call fat acceptance but fine
there are very few obese people under the age of say 30 and
definitely very few overweight women under the age of 30 35
and definitely single women in general are just slim here and definitely
having gone back to Ireland where I grew up and I remember
Ireland used to have the slimmest people in Western Europe and when I go back
today I am pretty dismayed and shocked when I see the level of obesity or
overweightness amongst women under the age of 30. It's just
striking straight away that you see so many women who are bigger
and that's extremely unhealthy and obviously biologically that is just
unattractive to men so for sure this part of it definitely holds true part
that there are likely to be women maybe with the looks
of a supermodel a lot more than you're going to see in
the West but they definitely do not in general have the values
of your grandma in fact if you ask them to cook a borsch
it's probable they would need to call their grandma call their babushka in
order to be able to cook it up and impress you
another thing that comes up is about the femininity of women here in
Eastern Europe that they obviously well I would say obviously but
definitely they put a higher priority on their
appearance I think in general than you're going to see in Western Europe overall or in North America
but does that mean that that is necessarily
a good thing is that really because it seems to me that a lot of mgtow or red
pill guys that they are dreaming of this
combination of course as I said with the looks of supermodel with the values of
the grandma and also some a woman who is hyper
feminine but hyper feminine women in my experience
tend to be extremely emotional and unstable so I'm not really sure that
a lot of red pillars have actually really encountered this combination and
actually know would they be able to even handle it
it's definitely believe me not the dream because they seem to want
women that are going to be docile and this kind of 1950s Stepford wife but
those women are not going to be hyper feminine in that sense so again I
think this is something that yeah they are definitely more we'll say
feminine in the sense that they put more priority
on their their their appearance and their looks in general than you're going
to see in the West but also and this is maybe
going against what the stereotype is because obviously Eastern Europeans a lot
of people haven't traveled here think that they're very stern and
unemotionless or say 'unemotionalless' I just made up that word
they're emotionless then you're gonna see in the West
but actually if you're here in the south of Ukraine I always think
they're pretty close to being like Italians half the time and Latinos
they are uber passionate and melodramatic
so again that is just not the way it is if you come here and remember that
Odessa Ukraine is one of those cities that is marketed in that sense with
these traditional values or fake traditional
values or even I call them princess values what you have in reality but they
market these traditional 1950s Stepford wife
values here along with the looks of a supermodel and
believe me they are super melodramatic in general in this part of the world so
if we are going to come here to a city like Odessa in Ukraine or
maybe going to go to Russia or to Belarus now just surmising if you're
listening to the advertising of those disingenuous marriage agencies
you need to be really really careful because that is not what you're gonna
find here when you come to a city like Odessa Mama
or Eastern Europe what is very likely to happen and
this is something that i dealt with a little bit in the other
video about divorce and stuff and maybe getting what's called divorce
raped like a woman taking a lot of your property or demanding a lot of alimony
if you have children or without children afterwards is that
here if you come with that frame that a lot of these marriage agencies try to
basically market to you being this provider because the women here want to
be saved by a white knight I was going to come in and fly them off
to America you will get fleeced well before the
wedding or the marriage you won't need to worry about the
divorce because you're gonna be penniless before then
because scamming and ripping off men or using them for money
is uber common amongst Ukrainians well Ukrainian scammers and even we'll
say that continuing from scammer into just
gold digger it is super common here so definitely this is something that
i don't know mgtow and red pill usually to live out completely is the fact that
they don't even need to get married to rely on the family law
in order if they are that way inclined because they can basically
fleece an easy victim before they have to
walk down the aisle in order to achieve that so I think that should be a word of
warning if you are coming here just to be really careful because
a lot of the red pill mgtow guys that I see coming down
this region it doesn't seem like they really understand what is going on
how careful you need to be and basically what a lot of these disingenuous say
marriage agencies or romance tours are setting guys up for is to be
a simp and that is the last thing you want to be here in Eastern Europe
and to a certain extent can you really blame the scammers well I
think we can blame the scammers because they're just
downright dishonest and criminal but let's say maybe the more
gold digging type that maybe it's easy to market Western men to to these
disingenuous marketing marriage agencies this isn't
to market to these disingenuous marriage agencies here
because if you're willing to be a simp which is
basically just pedestalizing women and basically buying them everything
setting no boundaries and really not being assertive and letting them
dominate you and basically take advantage of you what
do you think will happen women here will treat you like a
simp so definitely for if there were no simps
in the world there would be no gold diggers and that
I think is something that's really left out of a lot of what I see
online when guys who are in this kind of mgtow
men going their own way subset of red pill philosophy so they leave
out these big big two differences that between the
West and say the East of Europe is that in
the West you don't need to worry so much about being fleeced
on a date and been scammed out of your money and number two
they don't look at the behavior of the guys who come here
with that mentality that I'm here as a white knight to save those
oppressed women of Eastern Europe who only just want to be 1950 Stepford
wives and live in America with a man who gives him everything
if you come with that mentality you're going to be easy
pickings so don't fall into that trap and definitely don't come here
believing that there are unicorns in that sense now
let me be clear the majority of Eastern European women
they are not gold diggers right they are not gold diggers they actually
do want to meet someone and actually have a genuine
connection and a relationship that they do still expect men overall to be
the breadwinner or to be the guy who brings in probably the most
finances it's not exclusively that way but and so it's a little bit more we'll say
traditional but it's not a massive difference in that sense and now I have
a dog behind me so in sum don't buy into
the mgtow narrative that this because there's
no feminism or very little feminism that's some sort of paradise
lost gold diggers are only as loyal as their options so if that's
what you end up attracting just be very cognizant but now I'm
saying if you if you want to date a gold digger and you're just cool with that
because you understand that that's what's going on she's there for the
money she doesn't want a genuine relationship with me she
wants it with my bank account then your decision do it in full
knowledge it's your it's your life but don't be a simp
simps believe that the woman is with them because she loves them
yes and it's rather sad so I shouldn't start an anti-simp forum or
something an anti-simp campaign in here in Eastern Europe
that is my overview of what I think the main
mistakes made by mgtow or how they misrepresent how things are here in
Eastern Europe for guys that are coming over and
it can be a little bit dangerous if you fall into that mentality like I said
definitely check out the other video if you're interested in why they have
such high divorce rates here in Eastern Europe if they're all so
traditional did that one last week actually I'm
going to review a video by a big red pill
youtuber next week or the week after and in that one I'm gonna
break it down one by one because he goes into just propagating a huge number of
myths about coming and living here in Eastern Europe
so you got that to look forward to if you are interested in working on
yourself and developing yourself and not falling
into I should call it the simp trap coming here in Eastern Europe then
I actually finished up my slavic seduction secrets boot camp
where we dived into how to attract the real genuine beautiful women
here of Eastern Europe and we have in that
course with the participants I went into things
like the gold digger trap of course if you're trying to
avoid a gold digger how to test if a woman that you are dating
is a good fit for you for a long-term relationship how to organize
the perfect date lots lots more in terms of how to attract
and lead here and actually be high value to the women when you come to Eastern
Europe so you can find your dream woman
I guess if you're looking for more than one whatever rocks your boat
now that is closed for enrollment because I'm going to open it up maybe
once maybe I might open it up twice a year
we'll see in the future for enrollment to get in on that
but you will be notified if you are on my free mailing list it's completely
free and I'll put a link down below as always
as I have been not always but at least over the last
few couple of months I've been putting that link down below type in your email
address confirm that it's real and as a free thank you you'll
get my checklist five biggest mistakes made by Western
men when they come here to date Eastern European women you heard
a little bit of it already in this video some of the big mistakes that some of
them are making if they come with that simp mindset for
sure if they just think that it's some sort of lost land of the
I don't know some sort of lost utopia in that sense it is a kind of utopia if
you know what you're doing so definitely make sure that you're on the list if
you're in any way interested in developing yourself
when you come here so as you can probably see by the light on my face
it is time to wrap up this video just seeing the sun
set over there on the other side of the port here in Odessa another fantastic
evening um I'm going to stay in Odessa as long as we have this kind of weather
definitely in the south of Ukraine maybe we're going to take a trip around so
definitely check out keep a lookout for a new vlog
sometime soon I might go to another city down here in the south of Ukraine that I
haven't featured before I'm starting to ramble on because it's
at the end of another vodka vodcast with me see you very soon in the next
video до встречи! До свидания! До побачення! From Odessa Ukraine!