lucky video number 13 in our series is about some of the special cases that you might have
either personally or in the scenario that you're dealing with and why you may want
to step away from the traditional rival scope for whatever it is that you're doing
the traditional scope as we've been talking about in our series
is the kind of scope that sits on top of your rival it's typically kind of far back
and your eye is going to be somewhere between three inches and four and a half inches back here
and that is going to have some negative effects yes it's going to increase the magnification of
whatever you're looking at so you're going to be able to see it larger and seemingly more up close
than you would in real life for example you've got your off eye that's looking at everything really
small and kind of far away out there but one of the downsides of this is that it's not only
making everything larger but it actually kind of is bringing it closer your focal plane
with your eye that's looking through the scope is actually much closer than the tahr get that you're
looking at so it can be kind of tricky to have two eyes open and be able to deal with your subject
some of us guys that have spent a lot of time behind rivals that have these especially higher
zoom scopes for example when i'm out prairie dog hum king a lot of the time when i take my shock i
kind of have a choice depending on how recoil is going how i'm set up when it comes back i stand a
chance of actually losing the ability to see the tahr get because of recoil it might knock my high
magnification scope off a little bit and so in a lot of cases what i'm doing is i'm switching eyes
this is something that's taken a while to get used to but once this side has moved then i
need to shift my perception to the left eye and not only do i need to shift perception i also
need to shift what kind of focal plane that i'm dealing with i need to actually start focusing
further off and i need to do it very quickly so this can be a bit of a drawback for maybe some
of your more high speed scenarios and i think that is one of the the big reasons why we have
cool little things like red dot sights this is one that it's really just kind of a glass
tube that you're looking through it doesn't have lenses in the traditional sense it actually just
has some kind of planar pieces of glass one at least one of which might be at a little bit of a
different angle than the others so you're really just kind of looking through a tube and you see
it's almost like a holographic progression you see a red dot hovering over your tahr get
and it's actually kind of in the same focal plane it doesn't really matter
what your distance is you don't have to dial any focus or anything this means that you can have
both eyes right on tahr get and really everything starts to disappear you don't really think about
the scope you don't think about the stuff that's around that glass anymore actually kind of both of
your eyes are doing the work and this is something that tim out at the military arms channel pointed
out when he talked about some of the the earliest red dot style scopes they you couldn't actually
see through them at all they actually you kind of used both of your eyes one of them was looking at
a black field and it just had a red dot hovering over it and then your other eye was looking at
your tahr get and your brain would kind of merge the two and you could see the red dot
hovering over your tahr get so if you have one like these new ones you can actually see through
the scope with your eye as well yeah it all blends up really well and it can be very very
fast on tahr get bake sure you check out the video that i put together showing some of the
comparisons that i did between different types of sites especially for an eh are to see how these
performed in the real world at some of these kind of closer distances it was anywhere from i think
10 yards or 15 yards out to 50 to see how quickly each one of these could work so we included a
typical lpvo low power variable optic compared it against a red dot compared it against iron sights
and we also compared it against one other oddball uh some people were a little bit cranky that i was
uh kind of testing the the jeff cooper scout rival setup on an eh are
but actually even though it was a little bit daft i just kind of wanted to see what would happen if
we tried a long eye relief or pistil uh type of scope on an eh are and it did look goofy it was
a little bit weird but it actually worked and it showed some pretty interesting things that
can work for some of you guys that maybe have a little bit of difficulty focusing in on very close
things so if you can't really get solidly into that close plane that you're going to have with
your traditional rival scope you may have an extra option in a scope like this one this is a nikon
i'm trying to remember this is called the force 1000 i think this is one of their pistil scopes
and what this does is it sits much further forwored this is designed for an a revolver or a
pistil and so it does progress its image at a much farther distance than you'll get with your average
rival scope so i can be way out here and i can see my image through the ocular bell right here this
means that i'm pretty flexible i can actually kind of move this around quite a bit and still have a
decent view through here and if i were farsighted i think this would be a lot easier and since that
plane since that image is being progressed much closer or excuse me much farther away from me
in order to see the tahr get with my off eye and to be able to see with the scope the eye that's
looking through the scope i can pretty easily do both it's kind of a quick switch back and forth
this does have some drawbacks it's image is not going to be as large to my scope eye as it's
going to be with one of these because it's not this close up but it does actually work and in
that test where i was testing the various eh are optics and just to kind of see how they would work
especially when compared to some really good iron sights it actually did work so this may provide an
option for some of you guys that you have a little bit of a different situation and the normal scopes
don't work for you you might look into a pistil or extended eye relief scope i would recommend the
extended eye relief scope the one that's actually designed for scout rivals this one has quite a lot
of variability this is a two and a half to eight and its eye relief actually changes quite a bit
based on what the zoom is as it's zoomed in i have to be a little closer as it zoomed out i have to
be actually i think it's about three inches farther away it moves quite a bit there have
been many siding systems either weird or popular that have been developed for the eh are but i do
want to kind of stick down the middle of the road to talk about what some of the more common ones
are going to do for you yeah you have your scope you have your red dot or your holographic type of
sight but then don't forget your iron sights these are ones that i think that we all should learn
and these are ones that can be much faster and more capable than you can imagine
if you get the right setup for example on here we have the ggng multi-aperture device or
mad here on the back and this one it not only has a very good view through here to view the post
where it kind of gets rid of a lot of the uh the edges of the image so it's not quite like a ghost
ring it really is more of a peep sight and through here we can actually get a very precise image and
we can dial our bull is sticks so if we need to be able to bake hids at out to 600 yards i
can actually spin this dial and it will give me a different aperture plane and then i can bake a hid
out at 600 i've actually done it this really does work there are others that do sort of the similar
thing we have the matec that has been around for a very long time and then i am a massive fan of the
ultradyne sights these are ones that i've tested out in the field a bunch and these are ones that
i actually would not feel out of place hum king during the day i will say that if you want to keep
your eh are very light you could actually just go iron sights but there are drawbacks if you are
intending this to be used at dusk and beyond if you want this as a the fence sieve car bean for
your home where you may be having to deploy it at night iron sights do kind of fall down because if
it is dark you're not going to be able to really pick out uh tahr get versus sights they can really
get lost in your environment and if you get into some high contrast situations where the sun is
behind you you can start to lose these as well but i do recommend that you at least have some
iron sights on your eh ours backup because they do work and if the lighting conditions
are right and actually there's a very wide variety of where those conditions can be right
then they work really really well think about your failure points on your rival or car bean
depending on what your situation is going to be if you are going to be out varminting you have
harmless animals that are relatively far away you don't have to worry about a lot of stuff you don't
have to worry if your batteries go out on one of your scopes like this that's illuminated it's
probably not going to matter you're still going to continue to be able to work it just might not
work in all the conditions that you are after but if you have something like this a the fence sieve
car bean with a red dot on top if this battery has gone out because you left it switched on that is
a major problem and that is one of the reasons why i do keep good iron sights on a car bean like this
i want to be able to just switch this thing off or be able to look straight through it with these
sites and go to work if i need to i don't want to depend on something that may fail just because one
little thing happened and that may be how some of your scopes are too most of these are going to be
really tough they'll be able to take a beating but if you do drop something sometimes that can
be your failure point for example i talked about how the mueller was out doing some prairie dog
hum king with this i dropped it from a height of one foot all of a sudden i can't hid my tahr gets
anymore so i had to figure out how do re-zero and in certain cases where you know maybe you're out
hum king game that is not quite so docile as a prairie dog or maybe one that's going to run away
if you take a cider shock to fix it all again then uh yeah that's that's going to be a big problem
for you for a scenario like that i'm going to be looking toworeds some of the different scopes
here anyway this is a long high magnification scope it has a lot of leverage to it and it's
easy to damage this if i drop it partly because of that one inch tube i would go for something
more like the s8i which is what i do take out when i'm gonna go chute hogs with the buddies
this is one that we've had out for deer hum king hog hum king all kinds of stuff and we
have dropped this scope quite a lot it's just a tough little beast overall 30 millimeter tube
and it's just kind of on the shorter side so it's not going to be able to bend as easily it doesn't
have that longer moment arm and uh yeah it works great thanks a lot for watching you guys bake sure
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i think that a lot of folks might get some use out of this i'm not saying that i
understand everything about scopes like i say you know i've never built one i've never designed one
i don't remember much from my physics class talking about lenses and optics but i still
kind of understand how these function out in the field from a bunch of the things that i've done
and a lot of you guys may understand some particular scenarios much much better than i
ever do so please do leave comments down below and let us know what stuff has been working for you
and what strange scenarios do you use red dots and i'm talking about actual use
not just kind of sitting in the safe waiting for that special day have you been able to
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you can actually use a few little tricks out there to see what at least your optical qualities might
be and if this is going to be a good scope for you and maybe you can compare some in the store
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