- I can make a Mo Bamba song.
All I would have to do is do like,
(lips buzzing) (bass-heavy music)
and then somebody in the background that's like,
(indistinct yelling)
it's mumble rap, right?
I could do it.
So hey guys what's going on, it's Alex
from Fitment Industries and we are talking about camber
again because the last time we talked about camber
we had Elon Musk in the house discussing
some of the basic fundamentals of camber
and a lot of you guys in the comments section were like,
"Yeah, that's kinda cool but you kinda need to
"talk about the function and the fancy versions of camber
and the technical, and all that stuff."
(relaxed rhythmic beat) And we kinda saw
a lot of people arguing back and forth
about what camber is and what camber isn't
and what it's for and what it's not for
and what people use it for,
and what people want you to think you use it for.
So today we're going to be talking about some of the myths
about cambered wheels and just camber in general.
So before we get started, don't forget to subscribe
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AccuAir, Eibach, ST, KW, Silver's, we're getting into it.
So the first method you're gonna go into
when you talk about camber is that people will say
is that camber is the number one killer of tires
in the world and let's talk into specifics.
When it goes into excessive camber, yes,
camber can essentially damage your tires
it can have excessive wear on a
single point of the tire versus the rest of the tire
but that is not ultimately true.
A lot of times you'll actually see toe destroy tires
a lot easier and a lot faster than camber ever will.
A lot of times a little bit of camber won't
actually hurt a tire that much,
depending on the overall function of the vehicle.
So, if case you didn't know a lot of people try to do
around negative three degrees of camber for track use.
And what that essentially does is it helps counteract
rolling during high speed turns.
What happens is because of the force it'll straighten out
the wheel and then when you go back into the straights
it'll put the wheels back at the slanty boy style.
But three degrees really is nothing
really slanty boy about it,
but at the end of the day
it's actually for a functional point of view.
A lot of people go into excess camber to fit wide wheels
under stock fenders, or over fenders,
and as a result a lot of people that don't like cambered
vehicles will ultimately say that it damages their tires
to an excessive point of view,
and it does but not as bad as what you would think.
Unless it's an extreme, extreme, extreme.
You probably see toe damage can take out a lot more tires
than camber ever will because of just the amount of force
that the tire has to go through with incorrect toe
versus an aggressive amount of camber.
Another myth about cambered wheels
and just camber in general is people that do have slanty
wheels will say that it has function.
And I would say that it does have a little bit of function
if the car is being seen on the race track
or if it is being seen on any sort
of parking lot for autocross.
But at the end of the day a lot of times when you're going
to see slanty wheels, especially on the road today,
you're not gonna see it for
any functioning purpose whatsoever.
It is 100% an aesthetic thing.
It's an aesthetic point of view to get big lips, concave
wheels to fit under bodies, under fenders,
or I'm sorry, overfenders and things like that.
It's not really going to be anything
that's meant for function.
In fact, when you do have a lot of excessive camber
you're going to see that actually go away if it's on an
air suspension vehicle because the wheels will straighten
up once the vehicle is aired up.
So if you hear a lot of people that have negative ten
or negative twelve degrees of camber talking about how
they have Battle Arrow and it's for the track
they're just straight up lying to you on their IG feed.
It's just not something that has a whole lot
of function and use to it.
But that's okay, there's not a lot of people out there
that are going to be using their actual vehicle
for a full track built use.
So we won't nag on you guys too much if you're using
something to make it look like it's for the track
if you don't always use it for the track.
But don't try to assume that if you have a camber setup
that you're gonna be able to fool many people into
saying it's actually for function use because it's not.
Another myth is that camber can be adjusted with just
camber plates and after you put the plates on you just
put those things to max and you just pray that your
wheels fit, and that's not true either.
There's a lot that can go into actually setting up your
camber for your vehicle.
A lot of times when we talk about alignment we talk
about camber, we talk about caster, we talk about toe.
And there's a lot of other things that go into adjusting
camber and toe and all the things that make your vehicle
feel right when it comes down to going down the road.
If you're just going in and throwing in camber plates to
make your car slanty boy you're not gonna have a good time.
Because there's a lot of things that you
can do with your vehicle that will essentially
allow you to get the camber you need.
Maybe to fit those wide wheels into your car,
if you're really looking to go for a static stance,
or a slammed look, that you'll have to also do in addition
to just your camber plates.
There's a lot of suspension components that will
actually help you in terms of adjustable plates
and things like that that will get you the necessary camber
without essentially maxing anything out.
And at the same time you'll have a better ride quality
because you'll essentially be making the camber
effective throughout the entire suspension component
instead of just one specific part that you bought
on Ebay for 90 dollars.
So we would recommend that
if you're gonna go into doing that look.
The whole stance, the whole cambered look,
the whole static look.
If that is your thing, we recommend that you do it right,
and actually go into figuring out what parts you need
and what upgrades you need to make happen
so that when you end up doing that
you don't end up with a very terrible ride
with your wheels going all over the place
inside your fenders, and of course, ultimately ending up
damaging everything from your lips, to your fenders,
to your tires, to your inner wheel wells,
and everything in between.
Because, when dialed in correctly, even when you do an
excessive amount of camber, which we will say is like
six to ten degrees, you can actually still run a good chunk
of that negative camber when dialed in correctly
and experience not a whole lot of, well I guess,
terrible driving experiences.
Now, there are people that are gonna get mad that we're
saying that, but at the end of the day, there are people
that build their car for form, there are people that
build their car for function, and there are people that
build their car for the track.
If you're one of those people that are building it for
the looks, that's fine go do whatever you want,
it's your car, you're free to, it's your car.
(relaxed rhythmic music) But if you're going to do that
we usually recommend that you do it right.
And that would go with any sort of build that you're
trying to do, whether it's for form or function,
is to do it right the first time.
And if you need help, in terms of building on a budget,
or just building a car in general,
you can check out our other videos where we talk about it
like 20 thousand times because we just like to help you guys
and at the end of the day, we have to deal with the
returns when you buy the wrong parts because you didn't
do the research right the first time
and so it's actually helping us and helping you
but it really does help, just trust us.
If you guys have a question just come on,
just drop in, just drop it below.
(relaxed rhythmic music) And probably one of the final
myths I would say about camber is the fact that it
ultimately only originated in Japan.
Now if you guys didn't know the Japanese car culture
is probably predominately the single biggest hub of people
doing crazy, creative, wonky, sh** that you could
potentially imagine to their cars.
Japanese culture has a way of doing
very just different styles.
You see that with Bosozoku style,
you see that with whole different like
I would say Inuyasha, but that's an anime
and I can't remember what the actual term is.
There's like a lot of things that come out of the
Japanese culture that a lot of people in the United
States pick up and ultimately run with
because they think it's cool.
It's the same reason that people overseas in Europe
think Mustangs are cool.
Right, so when you're looking at a lot of culture
things that are bringing into the United States,
people think that a lot of cambered styling
comes from Japan, and well the excessive side of camber
definitely does, there actually is a lot of play
in terms of where the camber culture came from
in the So Cal area, just as much as it came from overseas.
You have to remember that excessive camber in terms of the
wheels actually doing one of these
is something that did come from Japan,
and there's a specific style of excessive camber
that came out of that culture.
But there's not a lot of people that do that
as much here in the United States.
Instead it's much more of an overfendered,
heavy excessive camber culture,
but not something that is absolutely ridiculous.
It's more of something that's a play on a highly
modified stance, static vehicle for car shows.
So, it's something that actually came from the
So Cal culture and it's something that has came in
from a lot of other places in the United States.
You've seen a lot of growth coming from a lot of the
Slammedenuff, Stoopicold, Gatlingburg
things like that where people are consistently pushing
the envelope in terms of a creative build.
And that is ultimately feeding its own culture
of creating something new and different.
And a lot of the cambered vehicles and camber in general
that's going onto vehicles especially in today's day
and age is because of people doing that for these shows.
And doing things for these different community events.
You do see camber on the track and we're definitely not
gonna take wind or anything away from the fact that
camber does have a function purpose.
And that's a myth in of itself is that camber
does have a functional purpose
but not a lot of people know how to use it.
Camber has a very specific fundamental purpose
in terms of the alignment of the vehicle
as well as high performance driving
when you're on the track,
but if you just plan on bringing it to negative six
degrees of camber and ripping around the track
and praying that you're gonna have more traction
you're definitely doing it wrong.
Camber has a specific purpose
and if you're not utilizing it correctly
you'll ultimately result in less traction path
than more traction path around the turns
and you'll find yourself wiping out a lot more often.
If you want tips on how to actually measure for camber
you can let us know in the comment section below
where we can kind of teach you a couple things about that,
if you do plan on setting up your car
for the performance setup.
But we today were talking mostly about
the car show guys and the cambered setups
that they're running with their wide wheels
and their stock fenders or overfenders.
Do you think we missed a myth?
Let us know in the comment section below.
Those are a couple things that we're hearing from you guys
and we wanted to clear the air.
So if you're looking for wheels, tires, suspension,
hit up fitmentindustries.com and of course
don't forget to subscribe.
I'm Alex from Fitment Industries again,
we will see you later. Peace.