My ex-husband, Doug, and I divorced earlier this year
after 10 years of marriage.
We are now living in a house together
co-parenting our children, and it's horrible.
I've been trying to be your friend
and that kind of kicked me in the butt.
You take it as something else.
That's what you keep saying but that's wrong.
I told you, I will not expect anything
'til you physically say the words to me,
"Doug, I want to get remarried to you."
I do not want a relationship with Doug.
I just want to co-parent in peace.
I want to work on getting back together with Amy.
I feel we owe it to our relationship and to our children.
Three years ago, I found out Doug was having an affair
with the little cheerleader lady half his age.
The affair lasted over five years.
Doug has blamed his affair on his steroid use.
I was taking a decent amount of steroids, testosterone.
You know, kinda created this ego.
No intimacy with Amy.
This girl came on to me
at the right time, at the right moment.
Doug is cold and heartless.
He keeps telling me I'm an unfit mother and a party mom.
Why is there an issue if I go do something with my friends?
Why am I a whore?
Why am I a slut?
You went back to being the person
who would just go out at night, be out all night,
do whatever you want.
That is far from the truth.
Doug is constantly threatening to kick me out of the house.
And just to keep peace, I would sleep in the car.
You didn't sleep in your car,
so if you wanna go that route, we can go that route.
You're lying.
I can leave Doug, take the kids.
But Doug won't allow it.
I want Doug to stop trying to convince me to be with him.
I'm so confused.
I don't know why she's living with me
if she doesn't wanna be there with me.
I desperately wanna be with Amy.
(dramatic music)
Okay.
I'm really confused.
So, you guys need to help me out here.
Okay, okay.
Why do you think you got a divorce?
I got divorced 'cause Amy wanted a divorce, I did not.
Why did she want a divorce?
She wanted a divorce because of the way
that she had been treated, by myself
during a certain period of time, and my affair.
What were you doing that was so offensive
to her sensibilities that she wanted to end this marriage?
I was abusing steroids and just became an evil,
you know, off-the-wall person.
I was raging.
And I didn't even know it.
So, the devil made you do it.
Not the devil.
I did it.
I take full responsibility.
It's like the 'roids made you do it.
Oh no, I take full responsibility for it.
It just didn't help my control.
I was saying things that I would never say to her.
Okay, you don't do steroids anymore?
Not at all.
Okay, so I assume when you stopped them
all the rage and the need to control
and venting all of this aggression, it all went away.
I'm not the same way.
I mean, we do have our arguments,
we still have our disagreements.
Then answer my question.
So, when you stopped doing the steroids,
then all the rage went away?
I don't have rage, but there's still anger inside me.
There's still, when I feel like my current character
is being attacked by Amy, you know, I come back at her.
Okay.
All right.
Tell me something true.
Because I get the feeling that
Doug doesn't have a lot of insight.
He doesn't have the ability to step out of himself,
turn around, and look back,
and see himself clearly in an objective sort of way.
Yes.
So, what's really goin' on here?
I agree.
I mean, it's not as bad as it used to be,
we went into this house co-parenting and also financially.
I could not do it on my own.
He could not do it on his own.
He's still controlling.
He's still aggressive.
Didn't you get thrown out of the hotel last night?
Yes, I did.
Didn't they call security?
Yes, they did.
Didn't they have to separate you from your son?
Yes, they did.
Last night?
That's correct.
As in 12 hour ago?
100%.
I knew this was gonna come up.
Well, hell yes it's gonna come up.
Well, my son is storming off having a tantrum
and he's pushing on me as I'm trying to stop him
from running up the stairs and running away from us
when there's events going on in the hotel.
I wasn't physically aggressive with my son.
I was trying to get him to stop running away.
Physically?
He was pushing at me, so I'm pushing him backwards,
get in the elevator, let's get in the elevator.
You say you knew this was gonna come up.
Let's think back to the beginning of this conversation.
I was giving you five minutes of an opportunity
to tell me what's really going on here.
Okay.
(light laughter)
I'm telling you what's goin' on.
I'm telling you what happened.
You still have aggression, you still have anger.
You cheated with an 18-year-old cheerleader, right?
Correct.
And this is, you were how old?
It was four years ago, so I was 38.