JOURNALISTS HAVE BEEN PLACED IN,
I BEG YOU, PLEASE BE SAFE AND
WE’LL CHECK IN WITH YOU IF THERE
IS MORE BREAKING NEWS OUT OF TEL
AVIV.
THANK YOU, RICHARD.
>>> WE CONTINUE IN THIS COUNTRY
WITH POLICE REFORM.
POLICE HAVE RELEASED THE VIDEO
OF THE MAN WHO DIED IN CUSTODY
AT THE JAIL IN FEBRUARY.
HE DIED AFTER BEING PEPPER
SPRAYED AND TASED.
HE REPORTEDLY SUFFERED FROM
SCHIZOPHRENIA AND BIPOLAR
DISORDER.
SUTHERLAND HAD BEEN AT THE JAIL
FOR ABOUT 14 HOURS WHEN OFFICERS
ENTERED HIS CELL TO TAKE HIM TO
A BOND HEARING.
HE RESISTED AND THAT’S WHEN
OFFICERS BEGAN TRYING TO SUBDUE
HIM WITH PEPPER SPRAY AND STUN
GUNS.
YOU ARE ABOUT TO SEE VIDEO OF
THE MOMENT OFFICERS ENTERED HIS
CELL AND BEGAN TO RESTRAIN HIM, AND A WARNING THAT IT IS VERY
AND A WARNING THAT IT IS VERY DISTURBING.
>> DO NOT RESIST!
[ BLEEP ].
>> OFFICERS!
>> HEY!
[ SCREAMING ]
>> JOINING ME NOW IS BRITTANY
PACKNET CUNNINGHAM, MSNBC
CONTRIBUTOR AND FOUNDER OF LOVE
AND POWER WORKS.
LYNN NGUYEN AND JASSY ROSS,
ATTORNEY, FORMER PUBLIC DEFENDER
AND CO-HOST OF THE BREAK DANCES
WITH WOLVES PODCAST.
THAT FOOTAGE, I HAVE TO TELL YOU
GUYS, IS UNWATCHABLE.
WE CAN ONLY SHOW A FEW SECONDS
OF WHAT HAPPENED, BUT BRITTANY,
I WILL ASK YOU, CAN POLICING BE
REFORMED?
>> IN SHORT, TIFFANY, NO.
YOU CAN’T REFORM A SYSTEM THAT
WAS CREATED TO PROTECT SOME
PEOPLE AND TO PROTECT THOSE
PEOPLE, SUPPOSEDLY FROM THE REST
OF US.
A SYSTEM THAT WAS CREATED TO
CONTROL CAN’T ACTUALLY BE
CHANGED.
IT CAN ONLY BE REPLACED WITH THE
TRUE VISION FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
LIKE YOU SAID, JAMAL SUTHERLAND
WAS MENTALLY DISABLED.
NEARLY HALF THE PEOPLE KILLED BY
POLICE EVERY SINGLE YEAR HAVE A
DISABILITY.
WE KNOW IN NORTH CAROLINA THE
VIDEO OF ANDREW BROWN JR. NOW
SHES THAT HE WAS EXECUTED UNLIKE
WHAT THE POLICE HAD PREVIOUSLY
SAID AND PEOPLE ARE STILL
JUSTIFYING THE MURDER OF YOUNG
MAKIYA BRYANT EVEN THOUGH SHE
WAS DEFENDING HERSELF.
AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO STRIP
AWAY THE VENEER AND RECOGNIZE
THAT THIS WAS NEVER ABOUT
SERVING AND PROTECTING US AND IT
WAS ABOUT SERVING AND PROTECTING
CERTAIN PEOPLE AND CERTAIN
GROUPS AND CLASSES FROM THE REST
OF US, AND WHEN YOU SEE POLICE
AND PRISONS LIKE THIS IN -- AND
YOU SEE THEM AS THE LINE BETWEEN
YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND BLACK AND
BROWN NEIGHBORHOODS AND WHEN YOU
SEE IT THAT WAY YOU’LL ACCEPT
CERTAIN ACCEPTABLE LOSSES LIKE
DANIEL SHAVER AND THE OFFICER
WHO KILLED HIM, A WHITE MAN IN
MESA ARIZONA BEING ACQUITTED.
>> RIGHT.
>> YOU’LL ACCEPT PEOPLE GOING
AFTER THE CAPITOL POLICE ON
JANUARY THE 6th.
NONE OF THESE THINGS SHOULD BE
ACCEPTABLE IN A DEMOCRACY AND
YET HERE WE ARE.
IF THE STATE CAN PICK AND CHOOSE
WHO LIVES AND DIES THAT IS NOT A
SYSTEM THAT CAN BE REFORMED.
>> JASSY, I WANT YOU TO TAKE A
LISTEN TO CONGRESSMAN JMIM
CLYBURN AND COMMENTS HE MADE ON
QUALIFIED IMMUNITY.
TAKE A LISTEN.
>> I WANT TO SEE GOOD
LEGISLATION, AND I KNOW THAT
SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO
COMPROMISE.
IF WE DON’T GET QUALIFIED U
IMMUNITY NOW, THEN WE’LL COME
BACK AND TRY TO GET IT LATER,
BUT I DON’T WANT TO SEE US THROW
OUT A GOOD BILL BECAUSE WE CAN’T
GET A PERFECT BILL.
>> HE’S SAYING DON’T LET PERFECT
BE THE EBB MENEMY OF THE GOOD AN
WHAT DO YOU SAY, JASSY?
>> I THINK THAT UNFORTUNATELY,
BRITTANY KIND OF LAID THE BROAD
PICTURE VERY, VERY ELOQUENTLY
AND THAT’S EXACTLY RIGHT.
THIS SYSTEM IS UNTENABLE AND WE
WILL CONTINUE TO SEE THESE
CASUALTIES HAPPEN IN A VERY
SYSTEMATIC AND PREDICTABLE WAY
AND UNFORTUNATELY, IN THIS
COUNTRY THINGS WORK IN A VERY
INKRMENTAL WAY PARTICULARLY
LEGISLATIVELY.
SO THOSE CASUALLIESTIES WILL
CONTINUE TO HAPPEN AND WE’LL SEE
MORE VIDEOS BY BROWN AND BLACK
FOLKS BE EXECUTED BY LAW
ENFORCEMENT AND MORE INSTANCES
AND WE CAN EXPECT TO SEE THE
RESPONSE AND THE APPROPRIATE AND
REASONABLE RESPONSE OF ORDINARY
PEOPLE WHO ARE THREATENED BY
THIS CONSTANT OPPRESSION AND
THIS CONSTANT THREAT OF PHYSICAL
VIOLENCE AND DEATH AT THE HANDS
OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THIS GIVE
AND TAKE, THIS BACK AND FORTH
THAT WILL CONTINUE TO HAPPEN
UNTIL THERE’S MORE THAN
INCREMENTAL CHANGE, BUT
UNFORTUNATELY, THE WAY OUR
CAPITALISM, THE WAY OUR SYSTEM
IS SET UP, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE
GOING TO CONTINUE TO GET IS
THESE CRUMBS ON THE TABLE THAT