>> Is this idea of the one group of people have decided that they are the ones to
save the world. And there's a certain pofaced incredibly irritating and again,
coming off in waves towards me here like how dare you question us? Because we know
what's right. I'm gonna to glue my hand to some tarmac and then I'm gonna be a martyr
and I'm gonna be a good person while the rest of us I can't get on with our date.
I mean with respect, Miranda is 20, I'm more than twice her age. I've got kids,
I've got a job, I've got an elderly mother, we have to go on with our lives. Most people
feel they're doing their bit, they're doing the recycling, they're trying. I
can't afford an electric car, I can't afford to heat but most people can't afford that.
The people that the campaigners should be focusing on is the government not on
ordinary people. But it's about ego, there's no doubt that we've had a winter without any
protest. But as soon as the sun comes out, it's eco festival time and it is a festival.
It's a big jamboree, let's get on social media, let's sit down with the placard.
Let's advertising my friends what a great person I am, while the rest and ordinary people
who have to go to work, can't get to work. >> So that was fun ,anyway there are these
protests going on in the UK right now. Members of just stop oil the
JSO are trying to raise awareness about all these issues that we talk about so commonly.
And a 20 year old member of it, Miranda Whelehan went viral participate in that conversation in
what appeared to be a reenactment of the core concept of don't look up. I'm gonna show you
another clip and I want you to see if you can spot what we're talking about here.
>> I mean I would say I don't think any of us want to be disrupting people's lives. But I think
given the science and the things that academics are saying about what oil is causing around
the world. And in this country to this is the level of action that needs to be taken
when our government is failing on their energy policies and their climate pledge.
>> But you'd accept wouldn't you? That it's a very complicated discussion to be had,
it's a very complicated thing. And this just stop oil slogan is very playground isn't it?
It's very vicki poland, it's quite childish. >> Yes, it's a complicated story, obviously
very consequential high stakes. So I'm gonna focus on your slogan and that's the big issue.
And me a guy who I'm assuming he's been doing the news for a few years. He still thinks in 2022 now,
we need to just be starting to have this conversation. It's so complicated, we can't
have reached any conclusions at this point but he goes way beyond just insulting her slogan.
Take a look at this. >> Just stop oil, I mean,
come on, there's more to say than that isn't it? >> I would say that the answers are actually very
simple, we need to stop new oil licensing and that's what we're asking. With the oil
reserves that we have now, and the oil fields that we have that are still going, that would
provide us with eight years of oil if we said no to new oil and that's what we're asking for.
We have seen, >> But how do the
blockades advance that argument? They don't, do they? They simply cause nothing but disruption
and you get a negative reaction. I'm gonna tell you we were expecting to get some
messages of support from our viewers for you. We haven't had one, not one, we've
had nothing but furious complaints from people, nothing, nothing and nothing positive at all.
>> So she's a young person that is terrified of what sort of life is ahead of her in terms of the
climate, what effect it's gonna have. And she's brought on there and berated by people who are
so aggrieved that she and her group just stop oil would
briefly inconvenience people to try to get them to pay attention to the oncoming apocalypse.
Just, it's so right out of don't look up, do they not have that movie in the UK? Nalini or they're
not familiar with this? What do you think? >> I mean, I'm actually calling in from
Puerto Rico, where my family's from that was devastated by Hurricane Maria in 2017.
There was a big island wide blackout the other day and people all across this island
know the effects of climate change to their core. And so I don't know if it's when Fox
have flooding in their high risers or wherever they're living or their kids get affected by it.
But the reality is if one inconvenience day for people that stops and jams up their day
means that we can save hundreds of millions of lives on this planet,
I'll take it. And I really don't understand if Netflix UK didn't come out with don't look
up yet because this could have just been, hey, you guys, you just did this whole thing here.
But yeah, I think that it's tragic to see
an older generation of Fox bereted young people for being courageous and taking a
stand for their lives and their future. >> Exactly, yeah, and look, we're sort
of joking about it, but like, but it is, it's the taking the most consequential long term.
Most consequential issue and boiling it down to, okay, so we're gonna bring on an activist,
but we're gonna bring on someone else to yell at her and then I'm gonna mock her because I
don't agree with it. Like it is such a level of disrespect, not just of the individual,
but of the topic of the movement of all of the activists who are doing everything they can
to fight against endless funding of pro fossil fuel corporations and all of the propaganda.
We wanna give her a little bit more time to make her case, a little bit more from that interview.
>> I wonder if any of you have read the latest IPCC reports that have come out
this year. What they have said is that we are on the road for climate catastrophe.
We are on the road for three degrees of warming. This will happen to my generation,
to your children's generation, potentially to your grandchildren. And I think we have a moral
responsibility to act now. We're supposed to be climate leaders with geopolitical leaders.
We could set the way for the whole planet by committing to stopping oil,
moving to energy efficiency, moving to renewables, moving to installation.
And I think the children and the future deserve at least that.
>> That's who they're disrespecting. That's who the woman you saw in the middle of that
video was sighing at hearing that young Miranda Whelehan just trying to get people
to be responsible to be as aggrieved about the fact that the world might become unlivable.
That food might not be able to be farmed that hundreds of millions will be displaced.
Could you be as bothered by that as the fact that it took a few more minutes to get to work?
Could you take a little bit of a zoomed out look at this?
I don't know, Nalini, I get so frustrated watching interactions like that.
>> Also he's complaining about the slogan out of all things. I mean I get frustrated that people
slogans all the time but out of all the things if their cause and their issue is right and just.
And it is talking about something that is so imperative where we have wildfires,
we have flooding at a level that we haven't had, we have storms, monsoons, you name it in
whatever place in the world. Whatever climate that you're dealing with it, it's drastically changing
and there will be no future for Fox if we do not settle this climate crisis right now.
And I think it's really, really, really, really belittling when adults,
people who have lived most of their lives, who may be retiring soon or maybe you can retire
sooner. Who might not even see the day where we're actually having water wars and struggling for food
can belittle us and say that our causes are not right, when they might not even see the day.
>> Exactly, finally, by the way, I wanted to give you just a little bit of what Moran had
to say when she wrote, I think it was originally in The Guardian. She wrote
an about the experience, she said when the interview finished, I tried to speak more
to Ranvir Singh and Madeley two people who had believed were on stage at that point.
To stress how serious this is, Madeley just told me to be quiet
and watch the weather presenter. My fear is that they will only understand the reality of
the climate crisis when it is on the doorstep, perhaps when the flood water is uncontrollably
trickling into their homes, or when they can no longer find food in the supermarkets.
Maybe then the brutal reality of losing a livable planet means would actually sink
in. Maybe then the journalists, presenters and climate delayers would think, maybe we should
have listened done something and of course, it will be too late. And it is difficult enough
to get people to address crises as they're happening and to respond reasonably to them.
We saw that during the pandemic, it was hitting us every day and we could not get
people to be part of a solution. The idea that you would vilify people
who are trying to stop it from getting to that point, who are being so much more responsible
than the so called adults in the room is just so fundamentally frustrating.
And, like great work Miranda JSO, other activists, we would love to to talk to Miranda by the way on
the show. I can't imagine going up against this how frustrating that must be on a daily
basis for them too, your thoughts Nalini. >> Yeah, I mean, I just wanted to say
that NASA scientists this week have been so courageous and so brave risking their jobs,
chaining themselves to banks like Chase Bank.
And so I just wanna say for all of the activists out there
continue to do what you're doing. You have a lot of people on your side
and don't stop just because some Fox, could you do that a little bit later.
I think it's really important that we take to the barracks now and make sure our voices are heard.
>> I agree, that was a good accent right there too by the way I acted
like that. >> Thank you.