THANKS VERY MUCH.
EDWARD LAWRENCE IN BALI THIS
MORNING.
JOINING ME NOW IS FOX NEWS
SENIOR STRATEGIC ANALYST AND
CHAIRMAN FOR THE INSTITUTE FOR
THE STUDY OF WAR, GENERAL JACK
KEANE IS HERE.
IT’S GREAT TO SEE YOU THIS
MORNING.
WE’VE SPOKEN SO MUCH ABOUT CHINA
IN THE PAST.
YOUR REACTION TO EDWARD
LAWRENCE’S REPORT AND PRESIDENT
BIDEN IN HIS DEALINGS WITH XI
JINPING.
>> YEAH, WELL, FIRST OF ALL,
IT’S GOOD CERTAINLY THAT THEY
GOT TOGETHER AT THE SUMMIT.
I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF
POSITIVES THAT DID COME OUT OF
THAT.
FIRST OF ALL, THEY’RE GOING TO
CONTINUE THE DIALOGUE WITH THEIR
STAFFS, THAT HAD BEEN YOU SHUT
DOWN FOR MOST OF THIS YEAR.
BECAUSE OF THE GROWING TENSIONS
OVER TAIWAN.
THE SECOND THING IS CHINA AS
THEY HAVE STATED PRIOR TO THE
MEETING ARE OPPOSED TO THE USE
OF TACTICAL OR ANY KIND OF
NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN UKRAINE AND
CERTAINLY PRESIDENT BIDEN FEELS
THE SAME WAY ABOUT IT.
THOSE ARE A COUPLE POSITIVE
THINGS.
MY LARGEST CONCERN IS THE
SQUANDERED OPPORTUNITY, MARIA,
BECAUSE PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS FOUR
TIMES IN THE LAST YEAR WHEN
QUESTIONED ABOUT WHAT ACTIONS
WOULD HE TAKE IF CHINA INVADED
TAIWAN, HE SAID THAT HE WOULD
RESPOND MILITARILY TO THAT KIND
OF PROVOCATION.
AND HE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO
LOOK PRESIDENT XI IN THE EYE AND
TELL HIM, LISTEN, WE ARE NOT THE
AGGRESSOR HERE.
WE ARE NOT VIOLATING THE TAIWAN
STRAITS AGREEMENT GOING BACK TO
1979, THAT’S CALLING FOR PEACE
AND STABILITY ACROSS THE
STRAITS.
WE ARE SUPPORTING THAT.
IT IS YOUR AGGRESSION, YOUR
MALIGNED BEHAVIOR, YOUR
INTIMIDATION, YOUR COERCION OF
TAIWAN THAT IS CAUSING THE
DESTABILIZEATION ACROSS THE
TAIWAN STRAITS AND IF YOU TAKE
FURTHER ACTION TO ACTUALLY GO
INTO CONFLICT WITH TAIWAN, THEN
YOU’RE FORCING MY HAND TO
RESPOND MILITARILY AND TO
ENCOURAGE THE ALLIES TO DO SO AS
WELL.
IT’S YOUR ACTION THAT IS DOING
THAT.
IF YOU STAND DOWN YOUR ACTION,
THEN WE WILL HAVE PEACE AND
STABILITY ACROSS THE STRAITS.
BUT HE CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT.
SO PRESIDENT XI HAS TO GET UP
FROM THAT TABLE, HE KNOWS BIDEN
HAS SAID THIS FOUR TIMES DURING
THE YEAR, BUT HE DIDN’T SAY IT
TO ME.
I WONDER IF HE’S SERIOUS.
AND THAT KIND OF QUESTION MARK
SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN PERMITTED
TO TAKE PLACE AND THAT’S REALLY
UNFORTUNATE.
MARIA: YEAH.
AND YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT A
CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE
PRESIDENT AND CHINESE PRESIDENT
XI JINPING ABOUT TAIWAN IN THEIR
FIRST FACE-TO-FACE MEETING SINCE
BIDEN TOOK OFFICE.
BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT
ALSO COULD HAVE BEEN RAISED WITH
XI JINPING AS A RESULT OF DIRECT
IMPACT TO THE UNITED STATES LIKE
THE ORIGINS OF COVID-19, LIKE
THE FACT THAT THE CCP COVERED IT
UP AND WOULD NOT ALLOW A REAL
INVESTIGATION IN THE WUHAN LAB
OR HOW ABOUT THE HUNDREDS OF
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF
INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY THEFT.
JOHN RATCLIFFE WITH ME A NUMBER
OF TIMES SAYING THAT, YEAH,
SURE, THEY’VE GOTTEN TO A LEVEL
WHERE THEY ARE IN THE ECONOMY
BUT THEY’VE GOTTEN THERE BY
STEALING A LOT OF IT FROM
AMERICA.
NONE OF THIS STUFF EVER COMES UP
WITH ANY OF THESE MEETINGS.
HE HAD A CHANCE TO SET THE
RECORD STRAIGHT AND SHOW SOME
RESOLVE AND TOUGHNESS BUT HE
DIDN’T DO IT.
>> YEAH, WELL, I AGREE WITH THAT
AND CERTAINLY ORIGINS OF COVID
SHOULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP IN
THE FIRST DIALOGUE THAT THEY
HAD, GOING BACK TO LAST YEAR AND
THE PRESIDENT HAS NEVER BROUGHT
IT UP.
AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE DEAD
AS A RESULT OF IT AND WE STILL
DON’T KNOW AND TRY TO HE PREVENT
ANOTHER PANDEMIC, WHAT WERE THE
THE ORIGINS OF THIS PANDEMIC
WHICH IS THE BASIC SCIENCE 101
AND HE HAS SHUT ALL THAT ALL THA
THE OTHER THING IS, CHINA HAS
CONDUCTED THE LARGEST
PENETRATION OF AMERICAN SOCIETY
IF IN OUR HISTORY.
ON THE ONE HAND, IT’S
INTELLECTUAL THEFT.
IT’S UNDERMINING OUR CIVIL
SOCIETY.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IT’S
PROVIDING THE KIM CHEMICALS FOR
MANUFACTURING OF FENTANYL THAT’S
TAKEN PLACE IN MEXICO THAT’S
KILLING 100,000 PLUS LIVES LAST
YEAR, TENS OF THOUSANDS THIS
YEAR.
CHINA IS FULLY AWARE OF THE
PENETRATION THAT THEY’RE MAKING
OF OUR SOCIETY AND THE IMPACT
THAT IT’S HAVING.
THEY WANT TO SEE POLITICAL
DIVISION AND SOCIAL DISLOCATION
AS A RESULT OF THEIR ACTIONS AND
THEY SHOULD BE CALLED ON THIS
ACTION AND IT’S SHAMEFUL THAT
THE PRESIDENT HAS NOT TAKEN THAT
ACTION TO DEAL DIRECTLY
FACE-TO-FACE WITH PRESIDENT XI
OVER THESE ISSUES.
NOT STAFF TO STAFF.
LEADER TO LEADER IS WHAT SHOULD
BE DONE HERE.
MARIA: WELL, I MEAN, DANGS DANG
YES.
BUT SHAMEFUL, YES, BUT ALSO
DANGEROUS.
YOU’VE TALKED SO MUCH ABOUT THE
FACT THAT WE ARE OUT-GUNNED WHEN
YOU LOOK AT THE U.S. NAVY, THE
FACT THAT WE ARE NOT SEEING THE
KINDS OF UPGRADES TO OUR
MILITARY THAT WE NEED AS CHINA
IS INVESTING IN ITS NAVY, NOW
THEY’RE LARGER THAN OURS OR I
DON’T KNOW ABOUT THE QUALITY BUT
CERTAINLY OUT-GUNNED IS THE WAY
YOU HAVE REFERENCED IT.
TODAY WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE
FACT THE CCP HAS POLICE STATIONS
ALL OVER THE WORLD.
THERE IS A CCP POLICE STATION
HERE IN AMERICA, IN NEW YORK.
I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO,
JUST WAIT UNTIL THEY DO MORE
POLICE STATIONS AND THEN WE’RE
OUT-POLICED HERE IN AMERICA FROM
THE CCP?
WHY DON’T WE RAISE THESE THINGS
WHEN THEY’RE HAPPENING?
LIKE THE POLICE STATIONS.
I FIND THIS VERY CONCERNING.
WE HAVE OUR OWN LAW ENFORCEMENT.
WHY DO WE HAVE CCP POLICE ON THE
GROUND IN AMERICA?
>> YEAH, I MEAN, THE PENETRATION
OF OUR SOCIETY AS DIRECTOR WRAY
OF THE FBI HAS SAID IS THE
LARGEST THREAT THAT THE FBI HAS
FACED GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO
THE SOVIET UNION AND WHEN YOU
CAN SEE HOW COMPREHENSIVE IT IS,
IT’S ACTUALLY GREATER THAN THE
SOVIET UNION.
I DON’T THINK THE FBI FRANKLY
CAN KEEP UP WITH IT.
I’VE ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT WE
REALLY NEED A TRUE COUNTER
INTELLIGENCE AGENCY AND LET THE
FBI FOCUS ON CRIMINALITY IN THIS
COUNTRY.
BECAUSE PENETRATION IS VERY
SIGNIFICANT AND YOU’VE GIVEN
ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHAT’S TAKEN
PLACE HERE.
LISTEN, THE URGENT SITUATION WE
HAVE IS THE THREAT OF WAR AND
THAT IS THE MOST DANGEROUS
SITUATION THE UNITED STATES IS
FACING AND, YES, THE FACT THAT
WE’RE OUT-GUNNED AND OUT-MANNED
IN THE INDO-PACIFIC REGION
ACCENTUATES THE REAL DANGER
THAT’S HERE.
WE’RE HAVING PEOPLE WHO ARE IN
UNIFORM SAYING IF WE GO TO WAR
WITH CHINA WE COULD ACTUALLY
LOSE THAT WAR AND THEY ARE THE
PEOPLE THAT OWN ALL THE ASSETS
AND THEY KNOW FULL WELL WHAT THE
DANGER IS HERE.
AND THE FACT THAT IS NOT ON THE
TABLE WITH PRESIDENT XI
CERTAINLY IS SOMETHING THAT THE
PRESIDENT SHOULD HAVE DONE AND
FLAILING TO DO THAT MAKES THE
SITUATION THAT MUCH MORE
DANGEROUS BECAUSE WHAT WE’RE
TRYING TO DO, WE DON’T WANT THIS
CONFLICT.
WE’RE TRYING TO PREVENT THE
CONFLICT BY, ONE, INCREASING OUR
CAPACITY, MILITARY CAPACITY AND
TWO, MAKING SURE THAT PRESIDENT
XI UNDERSTANDS THE RISK HE IS
FACING BECAUSE THE UNITED STATES
HE’S IS NOT GOING TO STAND IDLY
BY IF HE TAKES THAT KIND OF
ACTION.
MARIA: YEAH.
REALLY DISTURBING STUFF,
GENERAL.
WE’LL KEEP A SPOTLIGHT ON IT
CERTAINLY AND WE SO APPRECIATE