>>> WE HAVE TO HAVE A VERY TOUGH POLICY.
POLICY. OTHERWISE YOU HAVE MILLIONS AND
MILLIONS OF PEOPLE POURING INTO
OUR COUNTRY.
OUR COUNTRY. WE CAN’T HAVE THAT.
WE HAVE NO CHOICE, WE HAVE TO
HAVE A VERY STRONG BOARD HE.
IF WE DON’T, YOU’LL HAVE
MILLIONS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.
LOOK WHAT’S HAPPENING TODAY,
LOOK LIKE CHILD’S PLAY, IT WILL
BE A TERRIBLE THING IF WE EVER
DID THAT.
DID THAT. WE HAVE TO BE VERY, VERY STRONG
AT THE BORDER.
IF WE DON’T DO IT YOU’LL BE
INUNDATED WITH PEOPLE AND YOU
REALLY WON’T HAVE A COUNTRY.
YOU KNOW WITHOUT BORDERS, YOU
DON’T HAVE A COUNTRY.
I’VE SAID IT FOR A LONG TIME.
MEXICO BY THE WAY IS DOING
NOTHING FOR US.
NOTHING.
NOTHING. THEY HAVE THE STRONGEST
IMMIGRATION LAWS, THEY CAN DO
WHATEVER THEY WANT.
THEY CAN KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF
MEXICO.
MEXICO. THERE ARE 2,000-MILE JOURNEY,
THEY WALK THROUGH MEXICO LIKE
THEY’RE WALKING THROUGH CENTRAL
PARK, IT’S RIDICULOUS.
ENCOURAGE PEOPLE FRANKLY TO WALK
THROUGH MEXICO AND GO INTO THE
STATES BECAUSE THEY’RE DRUG
TRAFFICKERS, THEY’RE HUMAN
TRAFFICKERS, THEY’RE COYOTES, I
MEAN WE’RE GETTING SOME REAL
BEAUTIES.
BEAUTIES. MEXICO IS DOING NOTHING FOR US
EXCEPT TAKING OUR MONEY, AND
SENDING US DRUGS.
>> YEAH, MY GOD.
>> WILLIE, YOU DON’T KNOW WHERE
TO START.
TO START. THIS IS NOW IN THE PAST TWO
WEEKS, YOU HAVE THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITESTATES, BASHING OUR
NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH, CANADA.
AND THEN THE FRUITIEST, MOST
BIZARRE, SOUNDING LIKE SENILE
GUY IN A REST HOME SCREAMING AT
A TELEVISION TURNED OFF, SAYING
THAT CANADIANS SCUFF UP SHOES
AND, AND SMUGGLE THEM NORTHWARD.
AND TRY TO SELL THEM AGAIN.
SERIOUSLY, GRANDPA SIMPSON
DOESN’T EVEN SAY BIZARRE THINGS
ON THE SIMPSONS, AND NOW HE’S
ATTACKING MEXICO TO THE SOUTH
WHO BY THE WAY JUST FOR THE
INFORMATION OF OUR VIEWERS, HAS
ROUGHLY THE SAME GDP AS RUSSIA.
SO HERE WE ARE, WILLIE, BLESSED
WITH NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH AND
SOUTH, WITH THE LONGEST STRETCH
OF DEMILITARIZED BORDERS NORTH
AND SOUTH, AS ANY COUNTRY ON THE
PLANET, AND DONALD TRUMP IS
GOING OUT OF HIS WAY INSULTING
OUR MOST GEOGRAPHIC ALLIES.
>> YOU WATCH THAT CLIP AGAIN,
THERE’S REAL VENOM IN HIS VOICE.
THIS AS YOU PEEL BACK THE
CURTAIN, THIS IS HOW HE FEELS.
THESE ARE HIS DEEPLY HELD
BELIEFS ABOUT MEXICO, THESE ARE
HIS DEEPLY HELD BELIEFS ABOUT
PEOPLE WHO COME UP FROM SOUTH OF
THE BORDER.
THE BORDER. THIS IS NOT ONE OF HIS RIFFS OR
RANTS WHERE HE’S SORT OF MAKING
IT UP AS HE GOES, WE HEARD THE
FIRST DAY OF HIS CAMPAIGN, THE
FIRST LINE OF HIS SPEECH WHEN HE
CAME DOWN THE ESCALATOR THREE
YEARS AGO.
YEARS AGO. THIS IS WHAT HE THINKS.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, JON, STEVE
RATTNER WAS HERE TWO DAYS AGO
WITH HIS CHARTS, SHOWING US THE
APPREHENSIONS AT THE BORDER
REMAIN NEAR HISTORIC LOWS.
AND SO DONALD TRUMP IS PAINTING
THIS PICTURE OF AN INVASION FROM
THE SOUTH OF AN EASY WALK UP
THROUGH CENTRAL PARK.
AND I THINK IF YOU ASK SOME OF
THE PEOPLE WE’VE BEEN
INTERVIEWING AT THE BORDER THIS
WEEK, THE WOMEN WHO COME WITH
THEIR SMALL CHILDREN TO ESCAPE
GANGS OR PULL THEIR SONS OUT OF
A GANG OR THEIR DAUGHTERS OUT OF
HARM’S WAY FROM A GANG, THEY’RE
NOT GOING ON A WALK THROUGH A
PARK, THEY’RE RISKING THEIR
LIVES FOR A BETTER LIFE TO GET
OUT OF THERE.
THAT DOESN’T MEAN THAT SOME OF
THEM AREN’T BREAKING THE LAW AND
WE SHOULDN’T HANDLE THEM.
BUT THIS PICTURE HE’S PAINTING
ISN’T SUPPORTED BY FACT.
>> TO YOUR FIRST POINT, IT’S
INTERESTING AS JOE SAID HE’S
ANTAGONIZED THE CANADIANS AND
THE MEXICANS AND THE DIFFERENCE
IN TONE IS STRIKING.
AND POINTS TO WHEN YOU PEEL BACK
THE CURTAIN AS YOU SAID, TO THE
RACISM OF IT.
BECAUSE HE GETS MAD AT JUSTIN
TRUDEAU, BECAUSE JUSTIN TRUDEAU
IS IMPERTINENT IN HIS VIEW AND
HE SLAMS THE CANADIANS, BUT
THERE’S NO ANGER, HARSHNESS,
VICIOUSNESS TO IT.
WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT MEXICANS
FROM THE VERY BEGINNING UNTIL
NOW, HE TALKS ABOUT THEM WITH
THIS KIND OF, THIS GRANDPA
SIMPSON MEETS ARCHIE BUNKER.
THIS LACED-THROUGH KIND OF
RACISM.
RACISM. ONE OTHER THING ABOUT IT, I GREW
UP IN LOS ANGELES AND, HUGE
HISPANIC POPULATION THERE.
SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN MY YOUTH
SCHLEPPING BACK AND FORTH TO
TIJUANA, HAVE BEEN IN MEXICO
DOZENS OF TIMES IN MY LIFE.
THE REALITY OF WHAT THESE PEOPLE
GO THROUGH, WHATEVER YOU THINK
ABOUT YOUR POLICY PRESCRIPTIONS
ARE ABOUT IMMIGRATION, BORDER
CONTROL, ET CETERA, ET CETERA,
THE REASON THAT MANY OF THESE
PEOPLE COME IS BECAUSE THEY
HAVE, ARE FACING HORRIBLE LIFE
CIRCUMSTANCES, VIOLENCE, CRIME,
TERRIBLE CIRCUMSTANCES, THEY ARE
FLEEING FROM.
FLEEING FROM. AND THE JOURNEY THEY ARE MAKING
IS AS YOU SAID, NOT JUST, NOT A
WALK IN CENTRAL PARK, BUT A
HARROWING, LIFE-THREATENING
HARROWING, LIFE-THREATENING THING THAT IS DEEPLY CONSIDERED
BY THESE MOTORHERS AND FATHERS W
BRING THEIR CHILDREN FULL WELL
KNOWING THE RISK TO THEMSELVES
AND THEIR KIDS, BECAUSE IT IS
STILL A BETTER OPTION FOR THEM,
THAN WHAT THEY FACE IN THEIR
DOMESTIC CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT THEY
ARE MAKING FULLY CALIBRATED
CALCULATED LIFE DECISIONS HERE,
UNDERSTANDING THE RISKS.
AND THE RISKS ARE HUGE.
>> IT IS NO DIFFERENT, IS WHEN
JEWS AND CHRISTIANS WERE FLEEING
THE NAZIS.
THE NAZIS. THEY WERE, WHEN THESE PEOPLE ARE
LEAVING GUATEMALA AND EL
SALVADOR, IT IS TO KEEP THEIR
DAUGHTERS FROM BEING SEX SLAVES,
THEY ARE FLEEING, EARLY 1940s OR
LATE 1930s AND WE HAD PEOPLE
COMING FROM EASTERN EUROPE,
BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T WANT TO BE
KILLED.
KILLED. THEY DIDN’T WANT TO BE PUT IN
OVENS AND WE SAID NO, IT’S NOT
WHO WE ARE, YOU GUYS ARE GOING
TO INFEST OUR COUNTRY.
THAT’S NO, THERE’S NO
DIFFERENCE, IF YOUR FAMILY CAME
FROM ANYWHERE DECADES AGO TO
ESCAPE WHETHER IT WAS FROM THE
RUSSIANS OR THE NAZIS OR
ANYWHERE ELSE, IT IS NO
DIFFERENT.
DIFFERENT. YES, THEY ARE BROWN AND YES,
MAYBE THEY SPEAK A DIFFERENT
LANGUAGE.
LANGUAGE. IT IS NO DIFFERENT.
>> IF YOU THINK THERE’S A
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SAYING AND
DOING SOMETHING WHILE HE’S
SAYING IT AND HE’S DOING IT NOW,
WITH THESE CHILDREN AT THE
BORDER.
BORDER. >> I’VE SAID BEFORE, THE MOMENT
WHEN HE SAID LAST WEEK WHEN HE
USED THE PHRASE "INFEST" IT WAS
THE MOMENT WHEN IT WAS CLEAR TO
ANYONE WITH EARS TO HEAR, THAT
HE REGARDS BROWN PEOPLE AS
VERMIN.
VERMIN. THAT IS THE LANGUAGE OF, IT’S
THE LANGUAGE OF, IT’S LIKE I
NEVER LIKE TO GO TO THE NAZI
ANALOGIES, BUT WHEN YOU START
TALKING ABOUT A CLASS OF PEOPLE
AS BEING THE SOURCE OF AN
INFESTATION, YOU ARE TALKING
ABOUT PEOPLE AS IF THEY ARE
SUBHUMAN.
SUBHUMAN. YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT THEM AS
PESTS.
PESTS. >> WE HAVE TO DRAW A VERY FIRM
LINE.
LINE. >> THAT IS WHAT HIS LANGUAGE
CONVEYS, YOU HAVE TO HEAR IT,
IT’S ALL THERE.
>> JOE MENTIONED HIS COMMENTS
ABOUT CANADA THE OTHER DAY,
LET’S TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE RIGHT
NOW.
NOW. >> AND BY THE WAY, CANADA?
THEY LIKE TO TALK.
THEY’RE OUR GREAT NEIGHBOR.
THEY FOUGHT WORLD WAR II WITH,
US WE APPRECIATE IT.
THEY FOUGHT WORLD WAR I WITH US,
AND WE APPRECIATE IT BUT WE’RE
PROTECTING EACH OTHER.
THERE WAS A STORY TWO DAYS AGO
IN A MAJOR NEWSPAPER, TALKING
ABOUT PEOPLE LIVING IN CANADA,
COMING INTO THE UNITED STATES.
AND SMUGGLING THINGS BACK INTO
CANADA, BECAUSE THE TARIFFS ARE
SO MASSIVE.
SO MASSIVE. THE TARIFFS TO GET COMMON ITEMS
BACK INTO CANADA ARE SO HIGH,
THAT THEY HAVE TO SMUGGLE THEM
IN.
IN. THEY BUY SHOES AND THEY WEAR
THEM.
THEM. THEY SCUFF THEM UP.
THEY MAKE THEM SOUND OLD OR LOOK
OLD.
OLD. NO, WE’RE TREATED HORRIBLY.
WE CAN NO LONGER BE THE STUPID
COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. WE WANT TO BE THE SMART COUNTRY.
>> WELL, IF WE DON’T WANT TO BE
THE STUPID COUNTRY, THEN WE MAY
WANT TO CONSIDER WHO SPEAKS FOR
US.
US. BECAUSE AS JONATHAN LEMIRE, A
COUPLE OF THINGS, FIRST OF ALL,
CERTAINLY UNDER BARACK OBAMA, WE
HAD A TREND, A NEGATIVE TREND AT
THE BORDER, ACTUALLY OF
IMMIGRATION.
IMMIGRATION. PEOPLE WERE GOING BACK TO
MEXICO.
MEXICO. AND SO DONALD TRUMP WHEN HE
TALKS ABOUT MEXICO, SAYS
MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE
WOULD BE FLOODING IN.
NO, THE LAST YEARS OF BARACK
OBAMA’S PRESIDENCY, THEY WERE
GOING BACK TO MEXICO.
THERE WAS A NEGATIVE NET FLOW
WHEN IT HAD TO DO WITH ILLEGAL
IMMIGRATION SO IF IT’S SO BAD
NOW, THEN MY GOD, WHY IS DONALD
TRUMP, MAYBE THEY SEE HIM AS A
FECKLESS, WEAK LEADER, I DON’T
UNDERSTAND THAT.
UNDERSTAND THAT. SECONDLY, SEE WHAT HE JUST
DID -- IT WAS REMARKABLE, HE
DISMISSED CANADIANS FIGHTING AND
DYING WITH US ON THE BEACHES OF
NORMANDY.
NORMANDY. BUT SAID HEY, THEY’RE SCUFFING
UP THEIR SHOES, SO HE SAID THEY
WILL SOUND OLD.
IT’S REALLY -- THESE ARE THE
TIMES WHEN IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO
DISSECT WHAT THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES IS SAYING.
BECAUSE TO BORROW HIS LANGUAGE,
IT JUST SOUNDS SO STUPID.
>> AND THAT STORY IN THE MAJOR
NEWSPAPER THAT HE MENTIONS
THERE, IS A COLUMN IN THE "NEW
YORK POST," ABOUT ONE ANECDOTE,
WHICH HE’S USING TO MAKE THIS
LARGER POINT.
LARGER POINT. AS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AT THE
TABLE, HE’S MAKING THE ARGUE.
ABOUT CANADA, ABOUT FRAMING IN
THESE FLAWED ECONOMIC TERMS AND
HE DOES IT DIFFERENTLY WHEN IT’S
WITH MEXICO.
WITH MEXICO. IT HAS A MUCH HARDER EDGE TO IT
I WOULD LIKE TO PAIR THE
COMMENTS WE HEARD HIM SAY
YESTERDAY AT THE MEETING AT THE
WHITE HOUSE WITH HIS RALLY IN
MINNESOTA, WHERE HE INVOKED HIS
KICK-OFF SPEECH AT TRUMP TOWER,
WHICH WAS THREE YEARS AGO THIS
WEEK, IN WHICH HE SAID MEXICO
WAS NOT SENDING THEIR BEST.
HE BROUGHT THAT BACK AT THAT
RALLY IN DULUTH.
WHICH THE EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT
HE SIGNED THIS WEEK TO REVERSE
HIMSELF WAS MENTIONED ONCE IN
THAT SPEECH.
THAT SPEECH. IT’S SOMETHING THAT HE, CLEARLY
TRIED TO GLOSS OVER.
TRIED TO MOVE PAST.
AND THEN SPENT MINUTES AFTER
MINUTES, SORT OF WITH THUNDEROUS
RHETORIC TALKING ABOUT HOW
HARD-LINE HE IS STILL ON
IMMIGRATION.
IMMIGRATION. AS IF HE WAS STILL TRYING TO
PROVE HIMSELF TO THE CROWD.
THIS IS WHO I STILL AM.
THIS IS STILL MY IDENTITY, THIS
IS WHY YOU ELECTED ME.
THIS IS WHY I’VE BEEN SAYING,
THIS IS A GOOD ISSUE FOR
REPUBLICANS THIS FALL.
AS POORLY AS THAT POLLS.
BUT THAT’S WHAT HIS INSTINCT IS
SAYING.
SAYING. HE DOESN’T HAVE ADVISERS AROUND
HIM TO STEER HIM OTHERWISE.
THIS IS STILL WHO HE IS.
HE GETS, IT’S A RARE REVERSAL
FOR THIS PRESIDENT TO BACK DOWN
ON ANYTHING, PARTICULARLY WITH
IMMIGRATION.
IMMIGRATION. WE SAW IT THIS WEEK, NOT FOR A
MORAL REASON, BUT BECAUSE THE PR
WAS SO BAD.
THE OPTICS WERE SO OVERWHELMING,
HE HAD NO CHOICE.
IN HIS HEART, THE SERIOUSNESS OF
HIS POLICIES, HIS IMMIGRATION,
IT IS THIS -- IT IS HAWK, IT IS
THIS HARD-LINE RHETORIC AND IT’S
NOT GOING AWAY AND THAT CROWD IN
MINNESOTA?
MINNESOTA? ATE IT UP.
>> YAMISH, I’M WONDERING, WE
KNOW ABOUT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE,
BUT DONALD TRUMP, MIKE PENCE,
KRIFRTSEN
KRIFRTSEN KRISTEN NIELSON, IVANKA TRUMP
AND STEPHEN MILLER, HOW COULD
THEY BE REMEMBERED AS ANYTHING
BUT PEOPLE WHO PUT FORWARD AN
UNAMERICAN CRUEL POLICY THAT WAS
ABUSIVE TO SMALL CHILDREN?
>> I MEAN I THINK THAT OVERALL
THIS IS, IS A WHITE HOUSE THAT
IS STILL I THINK LED AND FOCUSED
ON DONALD TRUMP’S VERSION OF
POLICY AND DONALD TRUMP’S
VERSION OF IMMIGRATION.
SO ALL OF THESE PEOPLE, I THINK
DO HAVE THEIR OWN BELIEFS IN
THIS POLICY AND THE IDEA THAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP PUTS FORWARD.
I THINK IT’S CLEAR THAT THE
PRESIDENT, SOMEONE SAID THIS
PRESIDENT IS NOW REIGNITING WHAT
HE SAID WHEN HE KICKED OFF HIS
CAMPAIGN, I VENTURE TO SAY HE
NEVER LET THAT GO.
HE HAS ALWAYS GOVERNED THAT WAY,
HE’S ALWAYS TALKED THAT WAY,
HE’S ALWAYS SURROUNDED HIMSELF
WITH PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THAT
THERE’S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE
INFLUENCE OF STEPHEN MILLER AND
STEVE BANNON.
STEVE BANNON. BUT THEY WEREN’T STANDING NEXT
TO HIM WHEN HE LAUNCHED HIS
CAMPAIGN CALLING MEXICANS
RAPISTS AND CRIMINALS.
I THINK THE PEOPLE SURROUNDING
DONALD TRUMP ARE JUST
INFLUENCING HIM IN A WAY THAT’S
REALLY LIKE DOUBLING DOWN ON
WITH A HE ALREADY BELIEVES.
I THINK I WANT TO ADD, WHEN I
WAS IN MINNESOTA, THERE’S THIS
IDEA THAT ALL OF THESE OFFICIALS
ARE ABLE TO SAY ONE THING AND
SWITCH IT OFF QUICKLY.
THE SUPPORTERS OF DONALD TRUMP
BELIEVE IN HIS ALTERNATIVE
FACTS.
FACTS. THE PEOPLE THAT I TALK TO, WHEN
I WAS TRYING TO ASK HIM ABOUT
THE POLICY, THEY WERE
REGURGITATING EVERYTHING FROM
DONALD TRUMP’S TWEETS, THEY SAY
WE LOVE THE FACT THAT HE’S
TWEETING AND SPEAKING DIRECTLY
TO US.
TO US. SO WHEN WE CAN PLAY THESE VIDEOS
OF JEFF SESSIONS SAYING ONE
THING AND SAYING ANOTHER.
BUT HIS SUPPORTERS BELIEVE HIM,
THEY BELIEVE EVERYTHING THAT
HE’S TWEETING AND AS A RESULT
THAT’S WHY THE MEDIA REPORTING
DOESN’T REALLY GET THROUGH IN
THE SAME WAY.
>> SO COMING UP, WHAT THE
PRESIDENT’S COMMENTS ABOUT OUR
ALLIES AS A BACKDROP CONSIDER
THIS -- THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION
IS PRESSING AHEAD FOR PLANS WITH
A SUMMIT WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN
NEXT MONTH.
NEXT MONTH. DESPITE THE INTELLIGENCE
ASSESSMENT THAT RUSSIA IS STILL
MEDDLING IN U.S. POLITICS.
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