>> Steve: SHE TOURED EXTENSIVELY WITH DAVID BOWIE, COLLABORATED WITH ASTRONAUT
CHRIS HADFIELD ON A RECORDING DONE FROM THE SPACE STATION, AND HAS BEEN NOMINATED FOR NUMEROUS
HONOURS, INCLUDING CANADIAN FOLK AWARDS AND JUNO AWARDS.
BUT, AS FOR MANY OF US, THIS YEAR HAS BEEN ALL ABOUT CHANGE.
AND SINGER-SONGWRITER EMM GRYNER'S NEW ALBUM -- A JAZZ OFFERING -- CAPTURES THAT IN
SPADES.
IT'S CALLED, "JUST FOR YOU," AND THERE IS EMM GRYNER NOW, IN ST. MARYS, ONTARIO, HOME OF THE
CANADIAN BASEBALL HALL OF FAME, JUST SOUTH OF STRATFORD.
HELLO, EMM.
IT'S SO NICE TO MEET YOU.
>> Emm Gryner: IT'S NICE TO MEET YOU.
>> Steve: LET'S START GETTING TO KNOW YOU BETTER STARTING WITH THAT FIRST NAME, E-M-M.!
WHAT'S THE STORY THERE?
>> YOU REALLY STARTED FROM THE BEGINNING.
WELL, IT'S A NAME I ACTUALLY GAVE MYSELF IN COLLEGE.
AND YOU KNOW THE DECISIONS WE MAKE IN COLLEGE ARE IMPORTANT.
SO I WAS ACTUALLY BORN MARY AND I DIDN'T REALLY LIKE HOW THAT SOUNDED AS A ROCK 'N' ROLL NAME.
SO I JUST CHANGED MY NAME.
>> Steve: WHERE DID THE E-M-M COME FROM?
>> FROM THE "M" OF "MARY."
>> Steve: GOT YOU. IT'S LIKE ERICA EHM, THE VJ, BECAUSE HER REAL LAST NAME STARTS WITH M.
>> IF WE WENT OUT FOR DINNER, IT WOULD BE VERY CONFUSING.
>> Steve: YES, INDEED.
AT WHAT AGE WERE YOU WHEN YOU STARTED SINGING, WRITING SONGS, ALL OF THAT?
>> I WAS AROUND TEN.
I WROTE SONGS ABOUT NATURE.
AND THEN I DISCOVERED BOYS, SO I STARTED WRITING ABOUT BOYS.
FROM THERE, IT REALLY GREW.
I STARTED WRITING ABOUT MY FAMILY AND COMING OF AGE AND JUST REALLY LOVED SONG WRITING.
THAT WAS MY FIRST LOVE.
>> Steve: YOU DIDN'T EXACTLY GROW UP A STONE'S THROW FROM THE BIGGEST MUSIC STUDIOS AROUND THE
WORLD IN DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES OR SOMETHING.
YOU GREW UP OUTSIDE SARNIA, FOREST?
>> IN BETWEEN SARNIA AND FOREST.
>> Steve: HOW DOES SOMEONE EVEN BEGIN TO THINK ABOUT A PROFESSIONAL MUSIC CAREER FROM
THERE?
>> IT WAS PRETTY MUCH ALL I COULD THINK ABOUT BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING TO DO EXCEPT FEED
SOME CHICKENS AND SHOP AT THE MALL, THE LAMBTON MALL.
WOO HOO!
ACTUALLY, A FRIEND OF MINE, LARRY GOWAN, SAYS OUT OF BORDER COMES CONVENTION, AND THAT'S
WHAT CHILDHOOD WAS.
THERE WAS LITERALLY NOTHING TO DO.
SO I JUST WROTE SONGS AND LISTENED TO MUSIC.
>> Steve: FUNNY YOU CALL HIM LARRY GOWAN BECAUSE HE'S ONLY GOWAN NOW.
HE DROPPED THE LARRY LONG AGO?
>> I CAN'T KEEP TRACK OF ANYTHING IN A PANDEMIC.
>> Steve: CAN WE SHOW -- OF COURSE WE CAN.
IT'S OUR SHOW.
WE WANT TO SHOW YOU SINGING BACKUP FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS A BIT OF A LEGEND, SHALL WE SAY?
SHELDON, LET'S SEE THIS, PLEASE.
♪ CH-CH-CH-CHANGES ♪ ♪ I WANT TO BE A BETTER MAN ♪ >> Steve: EMM, HOW DID THAT
COME TO YOU, YOU AND DAVID BOWIE?
>> YEAH, WELL, LITERALLY, ONE WEEKEND IN 1999, I WAS PLAYING AT THE FOREST FALL FAIR ON A
FLATBED TRUCK AND A WEEK LATER I WAS ON "SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE" WITH BOWIE.
AND IT WAS JUST -- I SUPPOSE IT WAS THAT I WAS DROPPED FROM MY RECORD LABEL IN 1998, AND THEN I
JUST FELT FREE TO GO ANYWHERE.
SO I WENT TO NEW YORK AND I DID SOME SHOWS AND THAT'S WHEN I MET HIS BAND MATES AND THEY BROUGHT
ME INTO THE BAND.
>> Steve: THE RECORD LABEL DROPPED YOU BECAUSE THERE WAS AN OWNERSHIP CHANGE SO YOU WERE ONE
OF THE CASUALTIES IN ALL OF THAT.
AS A BACKUP SINGER, HOW WELL DO YOU GET TO KNOW THE GUY AT THE FRONT OF THE STAGE?
>> REALLY WELL, ACTUALLY.
DAVID WAS REALLY -- HE TREATED HIS BAND LIKE FAMILY AND, YOU KNOW, WE WENT OUT FOR DINNERS
TOGETHER AND I REALLY GOT TO GLIMPSE A SIDE OF HIM THAT NOT MANY PEOPLE WOULD, AND I LEARNED
SO MUCH FROM HIM, YOU KNOW?
THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY THE CELEBRITY SIDE OF IT, WHICH WAS GREAT HOTELS AND FLYING ALL OVER
THE PLACE AND FAMOUS PEOPLE.
BUT THERE WAS ALSO THE CURIOSITY.
HE WAS VERY JOYFUL AND ENERGIZED, AND I TOOK THAT AS A HUGE LESSON AS SOMEONE WHO WAS
TRANSITIONING FROM A BIG LABEL BACK TO MY OWN CAREER.
>> Steve: HMM.
NOW, HOW ABOUT CHRIS HADFIELD ON SPACE ODDITY.
HOW DID THAT COME TO YOU?
>> CHRIS AND I ARE BOTH FROM THE SARNIA AREA -- >> Steve: HE'S GOT AN AIRPORT
NAMED AFTER HIM.
EMM, YOU'VE GOT TO WORK TO DO ON THAT ONE, I THINK.
>> YEAH, I GUESS SO.
SO WE HAD BECOME FRIENDS BECAUSE I WROTE A SONG ABOUT HIM, ABOUT ONE OF HIS MISSIONS.
I CALLED IT "CHRISTOPHER," AND IT APPEARS ON MY JUNO-NOMINATED ALBUM, "ASIAN BLUE," AND WE
BECAME FRIENDS.
THEN WHEN HE BECAME COMMANDER OF THE SPACE STATION, HE CALLED UP FROM SPACE AND SAID, "WOULD YOU
LIKE TO COLLABORATE ON SOME MUSIC?"
SO I HAD JUST GIVEN BIRTH TO MY SECOND CHILD AND, YOU KNOW, A DIRTY DIAPER IN ONE HAND AND THE
PHONE IN THE OTHER HAND AND I SAID YES.
>> Steve: THAT'S MOTHERHOOD, RIGHT?
MULTITASKING ALL THE TIME.
>> IT'S TRUE.
>> Steve: IT'S INTERESTING.
I'VE TALKED TO MANY FEMALE ARTISTS OVER THE YEARS WHO, ONCE THEY HAVE CHILDREN, LIFE
OBVIOUSLY BECOMES VERY DIFFERENT FROM A PRACTICAL POINT OF VIEW, BUT THEIR INSPIRATION FOR THEIR
WORK ALSO BECOMES DIFFERENT.
DID YOU GO THROUGH THAT AS WELL?
>> YES.
I MEAN, I THINK LIFE CHANGED DRAMATICALLY WHEN I HAD KIDS, JUST IN TERMS OF SEEING THE
TRUTH IN LIFE.
I'M NOT SURE THAT I TOOK A GOOD LOOK AT MYSELF UNTIL KIDS POPPED OUT OF MY BODY.
SO I THINK WHEN YOU SEE THAT TRUTH, IT CHANGES YOUR ART AND IT CHANGES WHAT YOU WRITE, AND I
WENT THROUGH A HUGE TRANSFORMATION AS A RESULT OF HAVING THEM.
I MEAN, THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY THE LOSS OF TIME.
BUT WHAT I LOST IN TIME AND ENERGY, I EVENTUALLY KIND OF GOT BACK WITH SO MANY OTHER GIFTS.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF YOUNG MOMS THAT STRUGGLE IN THE EARLY YEARS.
I CERTAINLY DID.
BUT YOU SORT OF BARREL THROUGH AND YOU FIND YOUR WAY.
>> Steve: I KNOW WE'VE HAD AMY SKY ON THIS PROGRAM BEFORE.
AND WHEN SHE HAD CHILDREN, IT COMPLETELY CHANGED THE WAY SHE REGARDED THE MUSIC BUSINESS.
IT CHANGED THE WAY -- IT CHANGED WHAT SHE WANTED TO WRITE ABOUT, WHAT SHE WANTED TO SING ABOUT.
I MEAN, IT WAS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT 180 IN HER LIFE.
DID YOU EXPERIENCE ANYTHING THAT PROFOUND, DO YOU THINK?
>> WELL, ABSOLUTELY.
AND I THINK IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, I'VE GONE THROUGH A HUGE TRANSFORMATION WHERE I'VE REALLY
TRIED TO BE -- YOU KNOW, AS A MUSICIAN AND A POP STAR, YOU KIND OF -- AN INDY POP STAR, YOU
SORT OF HAVE THE FOCUS ON YOURSELF THE WHOLE TIME, RIGHT?
SO WHEN YOU HAVE KIDS, YOU START TO LOOK OUTWARD, AND I THINK LOOKING OUTWARD HAS BEEN A HUGE
STEP FOR ME IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.
IT'S LIKE, WHAT KIND OF A MOM DO I WANT MY DAUGHTER TO SEE?
WHAT KIND OF A WOMAN DO I WANT MY DAUGHTER TO BE AROUND?
WOULD I LIKE HER TO SEE ME DOING THE THINGS THAT I LOVE?
AND ALSO WOULD I LIKE HER TO SEE ME LOVED AND HAPPY?
SO A LOT OF CHANGES HAPPENED FOR THE BETTER BECAUSE OF THEM.
>> Steve: UNDERSTOOD.
THE NEW ALBUM IS CALLED "JUST FOR YOU," AND WE SHOULD START BY ASKING, FIRST OF ALL, WHO'S THE
"YOU"?
>> THE YOU IS MY DAD, JIM.
SHOUTOUT TO DAD.
HE'S ACTUALLY THE FIRST PERSON WHO INTRODUCED ME TO TVO MANY, MANY NIGHTS WATCHING TVO.
>> Steve: THAT'S GOOD PARENTING.
>> YEAH.
SO WATCHING LOTS OF MOVIES.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WAS YOUNG, MY DAD INTRODUCED ME TO A LOT OF JAZZ AND IT WAS THE LAST
THING THAT I WANTED TO LISTEN TO.
I JUST WANTED TO LISTEN TO DEF LEPPARD AND MADONNA.
BUT I WANTED TO SEE ANOTHER SIDE OF IT.
AND I WANTED IT TO BE AN ALBUM OF SONGS THAT HE CHOSE.
ONE FATHER'S DAY INSTEAD OF GIVING HIM A TIM HORTON'S TIN OF COFFEE, I SAID I'LL MAKE YOU AN
ALBUM.
AND TELL ME WHAT THE SONGS ARE.
AND WITHIN 10 MINUTES, HE WROTE OUT THE SONGS.
>> Steve: GOOD DECISION.
WHEN IS HIS BIRTHDAY?
>> DECEMBER 10TH.
>> Steve: YOU AND I ARE A DAY APART AND MY DAD ALSO INTRODUCED ME TO JAZZ SO IF THEIR BIRTHDAYS
WERE A DAY APART, I WAS GOING TO SAY THERE'S SOMETHING VERY, VERY KISMET GOING ON, BUT THERE
ISN'T.
THEIR DAYS ARE CLOSE BUT NOT THAT CLOSE.
LET'S SEE SOME BUTTERFLIES, SHALL WE?
WE'LL LISTEN TO SOME BUTTERFLIES.
SHELDON, NEXT CLIP, PLEASE.
♪ THERE ARE BUTTERFLIES IN SKIES OF BLUE ♪ ♪ BUT NOTHING GOES AS WE PLAN ♪
♪ AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND ♪ ♪ 'CAUSE I NEVER THOUGHT WE'D SEE THE DAY ♪
♪ WHEN THOSE BUTTERFLIES ARE MILES AWAY ♪ >> Steve: MM.
FIRST OF ALL, TWO THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, THE CAMERA LOVES YOU.
NUMBER TWO, WHAT A VOICE.
YOU'VE GOT SUCH A BEAUTIFUL VOICE.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Steve: AND NUMBER THREE, A BUNCH OF INTERESTING CHOICES THERE THAT I WANT TO GET INTO
RIGHT NOW, NAMELY, THE IDEA TO DO THIS KIND OF HOME MOVIE STYLE.
WHAT'S THE THINKING THERE?
>> WELL, IT'S A PANDEMIC, AND ALSO -- IN RECENT YEARS I REALLY REALIZED YOU CAN DO A LOT WITH A
LITTLE.
THIS SONG, YOU KNOW, IT JUST NEEDED ME SINGING IT SOMEWHERE, SO I JUST LITERALLY TOOK THE
CAMERA AROUND WITH ME AND A FRIEND OF MINE, DARRELL LATIMA, PUT IT TOGETHER IN HIS LIVING
ROOM.
THAT'S ONE THING ABOUT THIS TIME, I KNOW IT'S A STRUGGLE FOR MANY PEOPLE, BUT THERE HAS BEEN
AN EMPHASIS ON LET'S BE RESOURCEFUL, LET'S BE CREATIVE, LET'S JUST BE A BIT GRATEFUL FOR
WHAT WE HAVE.
>> Steve: AND THAT WAS SHOT WHERE?
>> JUST AROUND MY HOUSE AND THE BACK YARD.
>> Steve: NO KIDDING?
IT'S SO FUNNY BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE, OF COURSE, IT HAS THE RICHNESS TO IT THAT SUGGESTS
THAT YOU HAD A WHOLE TEAM OF PEOPLE SITTING AROUND, YOU KNOW, IN AN OFFICE SOMEWHERE FOR HOUR
UPON HOUR AND THINK ABOUT, OKAY, HOW ARE WE GOING TO FIGURE THIS SHOT OUT HERE AND WE NEED THIS
BACKGROUND -- NONE OF THAT, EH?
NONE OF THAT?
JUST SOMEONE WITH A CAMERA.
>> THANKS FOR SAYING THAT BECAUSE I HAVE HAD THOSE EXPERIENCES, AS A LOT OF
MUSICIANS HAVE, OF THAT TEAM MAKING A VIDEO.
AND SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T TURN OUT THAT WELL WHEN YOU'VE GOT LIKE 50 PEOPLE WORKING ON IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DO LOVE TO TELL PEOPLE, LIKE, YOU CAN DO THIS.
LIKE, YOU CAN MAKE A VIDEO.
YOU CAN MAKE AN ALBUM ON YOUR OWN.
AND I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR TWO DECADES SO ...
>> Steve: HOW MUCH OF A DEPARTURE IS THAT STYLE OF SINGING FOR YOU FROM WHAT YOU'VE
DONE HERETOFORE?
>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I MEAN, MY FANS WHO HAVE BEEN SO GREAT, THEY JUST FUND ALBUM AFTER ALBUM AND STAY WITH ME
THROUGH CRAZY CHANGES, THIS ALBUM WAS A SURPRISE FOR THEM.
BUT I THINK THAT I'VE ALWAYS JUST LOVED GREAT SONGS WITH GREAT MELODIES AND ALL DIFFERENT
KINDS OF SINGERS.
SO WITH MYSELF, I LOVE TO EXPLORE DIFFERENT KINDS OF SINGING SO I HAVE A ROCK BAND
AND, YOU KNOW, I TRY TO SING AS HIGH AN RONNIE JAMES, BUT I ALSO HAVE THIS SOFTER SIDE.
AND I THINK IT'S OKAY TO, LIKE, EMBRACE ALL THOSE SIDES.
SO TO BE HONEST, SINGING THIS WAS VERY NATURAL.
IT WAS A ONE-TAKE THING.
I WAS SINGING WITH THE BAND.
AND IT JUST FELT GOOD.
>> Steve: OH, NEVER MIND THAT IT'S ACCEPTABLE.
IT'S FABULOUS THAT YOU DID IT.
YOU KNOW, LOTS OF PEOPLE, LIKE ROD STEWART, GET TO A CERTAIN POINT IN LIFE WHERE THEY SAY,
YOU KNOW, I WANT TO TRY FINDING A DIFFERENT SIDE OF ME.
HE'S DONE OBVIOUSLY A NUMBER OF JAZZ ALBUMS THAT TURNED OUT VERY WELL AND THIS ONE I'M SURE WILL
BE FOR YOU AS WELL.
HAVE YOU HAD FEEDBACK FROM THE FANS ON WHAT THEY THINK?
>> YEAH, AND I'M SO THRILLED THAT I HEAR THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER, THAT, YOU KNOW, I
DIDN'T KNOW THAT I LIKED JAZZ OR I'M NOT USUALLY A JAZZ FAN, AND MIND YOU, I'M A POP SINGER,
RIGHT, PRIMARILY?
SO THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ELEMENT OF JAZZ POP TO THIS.
BUT IT WAS NEW FOR ME.
IT WAS NEW FOR ME TO LISTEN TO THE MUSIC A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY, FIND THE BEATS DIFFERENTLY.
SO IT WAS A CHALLENGE FOR ME, IT WAS A CHALLENGE FOR MY FANS, BUT I THINK EVERYONE HAS REALLY
ENJOYED IT.
>> Steve: NOW, AS YOU AND YOUR CHIEF OF STAFF, NAMELY YOUR FATHER, WENT THROUGH THE LIST OF
SONGS THAT HE EITHER DID OR DID NOT WANT TO SEE ON THE ALBUM, HOW DID YOU WORK ALL THAT OUT?
>> WELL, MY DAD'S PICKED 10 SONGS.
EIGHT OF THEM ARE STANDARDS THAT MADE IT ON THE ALBUM LIKE "CRY ME A RIVER," "ORANGE COLOURED
SKY," BUT HE DID PICK A SONG CALLED "MY HEART BELONGS TO DADDY."
>> Steve: OF COURSE HE DID.
>> IT WAS JUST LIKE, "DAD, THIS IS -- THAT'S WHERE I DRAW THE LINE."
SO I JUST PUT SOME OF MY OWN SONGS ON INSTEAD.
HE LOVES THE ORIGINALS TOO.
>> Steve: "BUTTERFLIES" ARE ONE OF THE ONES YOU WROTE.
>> I WROTE IT WITH JOE COCHRANE WHO IS A CANADIAN LIVING IN L.A.
I LOVED HOW IT TURNED OUT.
>> Steve: YOU DID THE WHOLE L.A. THING FOR A WHILE TOO; YES?
>> YES, I LIVED THERE FOR A YEAR.
>> Steve: AND ...
>> TOO MUCH SUNSHINE.
I LOVE THE SEASONS, WHICH SEEMS ODD TO SAY SEEING AS I'M BURIED IN SNOW RIGHT NOW.
BUT, YEAH.
I THINK IT'S GREAT TO, LIKE, TRAVEL AND VISIT NEW PLACES.
I'M JUST SUCH A CANADIAN GIRL AND I FIND SO MUCH INSPIRATION LIVING BACK IN THE AREA WHERE I
WAS A TEENAGER, AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT THAT WE CAN ACCESS ABOUT OUR JOY WHEN WE KIND OF GO
BACK TO OUR ROOTS, IN A WAY.
SO I -- YEAH.
MAYBE L.A. WOULD BE GREAT RIGHT NOW FOR A WEEK.
>> Steve: FOR A WEEK, YEAH, YEAH.
WELL, WE'RE DELIGHTED TO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REPATRIATE YOU.
THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MORTIFIED OR TICKED OFF OR WHATEVER -- YOU FIND THE RIGHT
WORD -- YOU'RE TRYING TO LAUNCH A NEW PRODUCT IN THE MIDDLE OF A GLOBAL PANDEMIC WHEN NO ONE CAN
GATHER TO HEAR YOU PLAY.
WHAT'S THAT LIKE?
>> THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
I THINK, WELL, I ENDED MY FUND-RAISING FOR THIS ALBUM RIGHT WHEN THE PANDEMIC BEGAN,
AND I WAS SHOCKED THAT I COULD RAISE THIS KIND OF MONEY WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT WAS SORT OF
REACHING PEOPLE AS A REALITY.
TO PUT THE RECORD OUT IN A PANDEMIC, IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN PRETTY AMAZING.
I'VE BEEN ABLE TO MEET A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE IN THE JAZZ WORLD.
LIKE, THAT'S THE BONUS OF DOING SOMETHING NEW AT THIS TIME BECAUSE NORMALLY I WOULD PUT AN
ALBUM OUT, HAVE A PUBLICIST, AND, LIKE, DO THE ROUNDS.
WITH THIS, I GOT ON THE PHONE TO PEOPLE.
I REALLY LEARNED ABOUT SOME OF THESE JAZZ WRITERS AND JAZZ JOURNALISTS.
AND IT'S PROVIDED MORE CONNECTION AND IT'S PROVIDED MORE CLOSENESS.
AND EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT PLAYING LIKE A BIG LAUNCH PARTY, I DID PLAY IN MY PARENTS' BACK YARD.
>> Steve: SOCIALLY DISTANCED, I HOPE.
>> YEAH.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN A GAZEBO, SO IT WAS MORE THAN SOCIALLY SUZANNE.
-- DISTANT.
IT WAS ALMOST LIKE SOMEONE WAS IN JAIL OR SOMETHING.
YEAH, IT'S BEEN GREAT.
AND I'VE BEEN PLAYING IN DRIVEWAYS FOR SENIOR CITIZENS HERE IN MY TOWN.
THERE'S A JOY IN IT THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE REGULAR, YOU KNOW?
YOU JUST HAVE TO THINK DIFFERENTLY.
>> Steve: WELL, I'VE GOT TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT BECAUSE THE NOTION THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY
EXPERIENCE DEEPER CONNECTION OR MORE PROFOUND CONNECTION AT A TIME WHEN YOU'RE REALLY NOT
SUPPOSED TO BE NEAR ANYBODY AND ONLY TALKING TO PEOPLE OVER ZOOM AS OPPOSED TO WITH A BIG LAUNCH
PARTY WHERE YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO SELL A LOT OF UNITS AND BE CHEEK-BY-JOWL HAD ALL SORTS
OF PEOPLE.
EXPLAIN THAT TO ME.
HOW IS THE CONNECTION DEEPER THIS WAY?
>> WELL, I THINK YOU KNOW, LIKE EVEN YOU AND I RIGHT NOW, STEVE, IT'S LIKE I CAN SEE YOU, I CAN
SEE ME, AND I THINK EVEN WITH MY FANS, LIKE WE ARE DOING THESE ZOOM CALLS AND ONLINE STUFF, I
WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DOING THAT IF THIS WASN'T GOING ON.
SO I THINK THAT IT'S JUST BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A SHIFT IN EXPECTATIONS, I GUESS, RIGHT?
AND SEEING SOME OF THE NEW WAYS THAT YOU CAN CONNECT WITH PEOPLE.
IT MIGHT NOT BE QUANTITY, BUT I DEFINITELY FEEL LIKE THERE'S SUCH A QUALITY OF CONNECTION IF
YOU MAKE THE EFFORT, RIGHT?
LIKE, I KNOW I DID NOT WANT TO GET ON ZOOM WITH ANYONE WHEN THIS STARTED REALLY, BUT --
>> Steve: BUT NOW YOU'VE GOT NO CHOICE.
THIS IS THE WAY WE DO BUSINESS THESE DAYS.
>> IT IS.
IT'S WEIRD.
YOU GET A CHANCE TO SEE YOURSELF.
THAT'S ANOTHER THING.
IF THERE WAS ANY TIME LIKE REALLY TO GO LOOK AT YOURSELF, LITERALLY, AND MAYBE DEEPER THAN
THAT, NOW'S THE TIME.
>> Steve: WELL, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF INNOVATION AND INGENUITY, BY YOURSELF, BY OTHER
ARTISTS, AS THEY TRY TO GET THEIR GOODS AND THEIR WARES AND THEIR TALENTS OUT TO THE WORLD.
ONE WONDERS WHETHER ALL THIS DISAPPEARS ONCE THE PANDEMIC IS OVER AND WE'VE ALL GOT OUR SHOTS
OR WHETHER THIS IS A NEW WAY OF DOING BUSINESS THAT WILL BE MORE PERMANENT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
IT'S HARD TO TELL THE FUTURE.
I FEAR THAT WE MIGHT GO BACK TO KIND OF JUST THE NORMAL RAT RACE.
I WOULD SAY 90 PERCENT OF EVERYONE I SPEAK TO AND MAYBE THE VIEWERS FEEL THE SAME HAVE
FELT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'VE HAD A, YOU KNOW, A CHANCE TO BREATHE DURING THIS TIME, IF THEY WANTED
THE BREAK -- SO I TRY TO TELL SOME OF THE PEOPLE I WORK WITH, I DO A LOT OF VOCAL COACHING, I
TRY TO TELL THEM, WHAT IS IT ABOUT THIS TIME THAT IS WORKING FOR YOU AND TAKE IT WITH YOU
PAST THIS -- PAST THE END OF IT, YOU KNOW?
I FEEL LIKE WE'VE JUST BEEN ALL MAXED OUT A LITTLE BIT.
>> Steve: WELL, LET ME JUST CONCLUDE BY SAYING, AS CONNECTED AS I FEEL TO MY FELLOW GEMINI,
BORN ONE DAY APART IN THE MONTH OF JUNE, I DO LOOK FORWARD TO THE DAY WHEN I'M ACTUALLY ABLE
TO BUMP YOUR ELBOW OR SHAKE YOUR HAND, GOD FORBID, AND DO THIS IN PERSON.
THIS WAS GREAT FUN AND I'M DELIGHTED TO MEET YOU.
AND I WISH YOU GREAT GOOD FORTUNE WITH YOUR LATEST.
THANKS A LOT, EMM.
>> THANKS STEVE. SEE YOU.