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and right now joining us on the line a nationally syndicated radio
host also does TV shows well and I name
I know live you're familiar with that David Pakman at the David Pakman show
David thanks so much for coming on today
thanks for having me okay so I'm guess it's been a pretty busy one for you so
far
yet still pretty hectic well I it's really interesting I mean
why I know is as you said on your show that this is
you know you can even make this connection originally are
I love this man who's in charge I love for allegedly has killed three people
now
in Kansas in and shot another two are who's currently in custody and you had
him
on your program about four years ago now talk about the circumstances even
leading up to
did this guy cumming on your show yeah at the time he was running a crazy
a racist anti-jewish out campaign ad in this area he is running for Senate there
and I think I might originally heard yet maybe like on the Howard Stern Show and
we got in touch with the guy he agreed to do an interview
and that at his campaign or kinda the Prime Minister
at beyond and we played that at a little bit here in the shallow and I mean I
ID wanna play it again it's so it's such a hateful add
that obviously I mean you can have cajoled with them a little bit that
you know it did did he actually think he had to chant has a chance at winning
because at the time he was still running
and I mean just something like this at there's no I mean I know you're not
broadcasting out of Kansas but do you know how that all turned out there's no
way this game got one percent about daddy
no I think a guy I remember with seven or 730 or .7 percent of the voter
something like that a brace for the worst 7 part but I was very lucky never
had a shot
right yet obviously something like this continues to be out there cell
are you know when you walk back to the idea and I i listen to your whole
interview today we grab a couple eclipse after that is well
one this guy seemed kind of like an amiable guy
he I mean obviously a very you know racist the words that working out
coming out of his mouth a very very harsh but he didn't come across as the
kind of
crazy lunatic the people think when they think a people ago on the shooting
sprees did did you take the same way
no i i didn't know I here I disagree with you know I interview of sorts
extremist right extremist to are anti-gay religious extremists they hate
anybody who is not wider they hate series and
a lot of are genuinely nice people who don't pay
here or or enter your they just want to help that's always what they say
but Miller actually told me that even though he's never met me even though
I've never done anything to him that he could hate me
personally just because I'm Jewish so he actually stood out as one of the guys
that
think like a particularly nice try at least not in the interview I did with
her
so then and as as your show progresses I mean you have a
you have a lengthy conversation with him what about what he said
I had triggered in your mind that your someone that's that
is literally a dangerous dangerous human bean
well here's the thing you get you know sitting behind a microphone or
fettuccini screen you sometimes get
a little bit desensitized to extremism right and
I kinda generally always like that all is
individuals no matter what what their waiver
extremism is are pretty close to going over the edge internet
rhetoric and shit real-world violence so there was actual nothing in particular
about Miller that made him stand out from the other
people i've interviewed aside from the fact that he pukes personally dislike me
so so thinking back to it I was a surprise
overall because I think all these guys are pretty close to the edge
but there was nothing specific about under that made me think he was more on
the edge
are you mention that this again or speaking with David Pakman
up the David Pakman show here on the daily report at David you mentioned a
one you were talking that
arm that you had emails back and forth with him
even sense the map to i think is in November of last year
what was in those emails at that time %ah because %um had a month in 2010
right
right yes so I don't know if you remember this white separatist cracked
cop
credit card is this guy who makes headline october/november
because I don't remember if it was north or south dakota but he wanted to create
like a whites-only community
and he was actually friends retailer an e-mail alert service the connection I'll
put me in touch with crack carbon and we were able to set up the interview
after the interview with Kat I don't know if you remember this part cop what
are some radio show
your TV show in the UK they didn't meet the NHS that turned out
that shit black ancestor that story denied it would go completely against is
no tears no blacks and Hispanics paper
mentality what I wanted to have that got to talk about that so I contacted
miller himself and Miller seemed more interested in telling me how I was
afraid to have him back I
out that really is what I should be doing at the time cop was in jail anyway
so it didn't
make much of a difference yet very interesting I
you know david so the but these emails back and forth I
this was regarding that appearance that he had with Mr
I'm sorry the email how are the emails connected to this
up well let's see that I was emailing always Glenn Miller
and that was in November try searching and I guess at the reason we were in
touch was because he was
putting will touch with this crime crack cop okay that's how we got back in touch
but like I said Miller
she's a very desperate for attention just saying I was checking to happen
that on my program saying that
a the chairs were controlling me and work letting me have him back on stuff
at make these emails published on my website attack dot com
that is just amazing David arm and its you said that you have a lot of people
kind of like this on your show bigots races to
what what drives you to do that white what drives you to bring the people on
the show just that the general exposure I've
are this sort of a mentality yet we have a proper ID a guest on the show
more than nine out of China are not extremists but you know over
sick seven-year period you you come across your share those who are
a extreme and I think it's it's good to know that these people are around right
i mean that the Glenn Miller
story serves to remind us that there is still a thing as anti-semitism in the US
a lot actually but they forget that and and clearly
still around a as I think it's important to remember that something with the
Westboro Baptist Church there are these extreme our
is and as you've talked to a lot of these people David have you seen a
common thread I mean you mention that
offer for this guy was all about the attention is that usually
what the motivation seems to be years there's something else we can glean from
this
no I think they're several iterations is this sorry for solitary
up religiously based right so there are lots of groups that have their
literal interpretation or or not literal as the case may be
some sacred tax so-called sacred text and they believe that
Telstar that they should be doing something or other for some
David US a gay people for
here more that black people were as good as that
so what we see this happen with religion quite a bit very at sorry day we just
missed a little better that but I think I got to just a bit easier say neither
these are true believers who are you-know-who who've
who've interpreted some sort of a spiritual tax to you to
say this is the definitive answer and I'm gonna read it is this is Dell
as though it seems someone else's above me is that I'm it the phone is cut out a
little bit is that what you're saying David
for some people that's it for some it's just mental illness for some it's family
upbringing I mean I think there are a lot of different circumstances
so you know obviously a at you know you're in the talk show business a lot
of us are trying to think or what
what is it that can be taken out of this white sort have lessons can be learned
from there sir
is there anything again as you've talked to all these people is there
has there been any level love love arm glean what
be on the common thread what it is that can be done to start have curbed this or
is this just
something that happens I wish I had an answer you know in a country of 340 or
however many million people there are
at this point I think no matter what you do there is going to be
extremism that the best thing that can be done is
number one not to pretend it doesn't exist and number two to have systems in
place to try to identify or
a mitigate the amount of damage that extremists can do attitude I'm speaking
at completely utopian such because I don't know how you do that
right why don't either and that's when you know the story broke and I'm sure
you're watching Twitter as well I mean it was
exploding everyone's all the sudden an expert on these issues and I
just step back into it it's like you know we've talked about the gun issue
and I'm
I'm not saying that is an important I think it's very important to talk about
in this
but it does you know you you're left with the feeling of hopelessness like
these people just continue to exist
and and we just have to do the best we can
around it in is there anything further to glean from it than that
well I think we do have one optimistic thing which is a lot of his lecture
great ideas seem to age
out great if we look at for example gay marriage
increasingly especially with younger people
people disbelieve that appear same-sex couple you should have you should be
able to get married in sixty percent
up republicans under-thirty believe that now at one point
all our people in this country thought slavery should be legal experts tough
now I mean
so it s pretty tough to find people now we still would argue slavery should be
legal so what we can look forward to it the aging out of these retrograde prices
here
so do you see those demographics play out when when you have these people on
that it seems the people that are
on this side are almost always the are the older generation are there
up-and-comers that that are
are big part in this too i bitterly
some young extremists it but you're right I mean it does tend to be
it is completely anecdotal so we can't take anything general fund it but at
least on my program it is definitely older people that's that hold most
these is very interesting again now we've been speaking with David Pakman
you can find his shell online at David Pakman dot com paka
Mian David Pakman dot com and i really appreciate all the time today
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