IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU.
WE ARE DOING AT LIFE.
IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT
TURKEY IS A NATO MEMBER.
LET THAT SINK IN.
THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ON OUR
SIDE AND YET THEY ARE CALLING ON
THE ARAB WORLD TO RISE UP
AGAINST OUR CLOSEST ALLY ISRAEL
THE ONLY REAL DEMOCRACY IN THE
MIDDLE EAST.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR ANY HOPE
OF PEACE IN THE REGION BY CHERNY
ME "NEW YORK TIMES" OPINION
WRITER AND EDITOR.
IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU.
LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
THIS.
TURKEY HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY
AGGRESSIVE IN THEIR RHETORIC
ABOUT MOVING THE U.S. EMBASSY
FROM TEL AVIV TO JERUSALEM AND
THEY HAVE BEEN ON THIS PATH TO
AUTHORITARIANISM FOR QUITE A
WHILE.
>> THE BOTTOM LINE IS WHAT WE
SAW IN GAZA ON MONDAY WAS
ABSOLUTE TRAGIC BUT IT HAS
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING OR VERY
LITTLE TO DO WITH THE EMBASSY
MOVE.
THAT IS A PROPAGANDA PLOY ON THE
PART OF HAMAS.
ALL HAMAS WANTED WAS EXACTLY
WHAT IT GOT IN TERMS OF A
PROPAGANDA WAR.
HE WANTED THAT SHOT OF IVANKA
TRUMP SMILING LOOKING LIKE SHE
WAS AT A COUNTRY CLUB NEXT TO
THE HORRIFIC PHOTOS OF GAZANS
DYING AT THE BORDER.
WE FIND OUT TODAY THAT 50 OF
THOSE 60s WERE HAMAS FIGHTERS.
THERE WERE PEOPLE DESPERATE
LIVING UNDER THE OCCUPATION OF
HAMAS FRANKLY GETTING BUSED TO
THE BORDER LIKE KNOWING IT WAS A
SUICIDE MISSION.
>> WITH TALK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE
THE WAY HAMAS AND SOME OF OUR
ALLIES ARE OPPOSING IF THEY ARE
SAYING THESE PEOPLE JUST WANTED
TO PUSH OVER THE BORDER AND COME
AND PEACEFULLY PROTEST JUST LIKE
THE WOMEN'S MARCH.
THAT WOULD HAMAS WANTED PLEX
THEY JUST WANTED TO WAIVE SOME
SIGNS AND LET PEOPLE KNOW THEY
HAD RESERVATIONS WITH THE
EMBASSY MOVE?
>> IT'S A VERY STRANGE IDEA THAT
ONLY ISRAEL HAD ALLOWED PEOPLE
TO PREACH THE BORDER THAT
SOMEHOW THEY WOULD HAVE SET UP
AN ENCAMPMENT AND SAID KUMBAYA.
YOU HAVE LEADERS OF HAMAS SAYING
OUR GOAL WAS TO GO OVER THE
ORDER AND TEAR THEIR HEARTS OUT
AND THAT'S A DIRECT "MATT FROM
ONE OF THE HAMAS LEADERS.
WE HAVE AVERAGE PALESTINIANS
WHEN ASKED BY A "NEW YORK TIMES"
REPORTER WHAT IS YOUR GOAL AND
UNABASHED ABOUT IT THEY SAY OUR
GOAL IS TO GET OVER THE BORDER
AND KILL AS MANY AS POSSIBLE.
I DON'T WANT TO BE UNCLEAR ABOUT
WHERE I STAND ON THE
HUMANITARIAN SITUATION IN GAZA
IN THE SAME WAY THE SITUATION IN
SYRIA BREAKS MY HEART THE
SITUATION IN GAZA BREAKS MY
HEART TOO.
ISRAEL PULLED OUT UNILATERALLY
MORE THAN A DECADE AGO AND HAMAS
IF IT WANTED TO COULD HAVE, THE
PALESTINIANS COULD BE BUILDING A
STAY.
THIS IS 50 MILES AWAY FROM TEL
AVIV.
LOOK WHAT'S HAPPENING IN TEL
AVIV AND LOOK WHAT'S HAPPENING
IN GAZA.
UNFORTUNATELY THOUSANDS,
INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE BEING HELD.
KENNEDY: HELD HOSTAGE AND KEPT
IN A VERY VULNERABLE POSITION
WHERE THEY HAVE NO MOBILITY AND
THEY ARE SLATED TO THIS SORT OF
PROPAGANDA.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT OUR COUNTRY
AND ISRAEL SHOULDN'T BE REACHING
TOWARDS PEACE.
WE ABSOLUTELY SHOULD AS HUMAN
BEINGS THAT IS THE ULTIMATE
IDEAL, PEACE AND FREEDOM BUT
LET'S AT LEAST CALLED THE
ACTIONS WHAT THEY ARE.
>> ALSO WE NEED TO TAKE A LESSON
FROM WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
ISRAEL WANTS TO AVOID AND
EVENTUALLY THERE'S GOING TO BE A
PALESTINIAN STATE IN THE WEST
BANK.
THE MORE ISRAEL BUILDS UP CIVIL
SOCIETY TO BUILD UP
ORGANIZATIONS AND PERSONALITIES
WHO ARE NOT ISLAMIC TERRORISTS
THE BETTER RAW ISRAEL WILL
ULTIMATELY BE.
KENNEDY: LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT THE INTELLECTUAL BECAUSE
YOU HAVE WRITTEN A FASCINATING
PIECE ABOUT THIS AND PEOPLE WHO
HAVE SHOOT AT TRADITIONAL MEDIA
OUTLET MAINSTREAM MEDIA OUTLETS
TO FORGE THEIR OWN PATH PEOPLE
LIKE BEN SHAPIRO WHO HAVE FOUND
AUDIENCES TALKING ABOUT SOME
VERY EXPLOSIVE TOPICS BUT ARE
ALSO EXPLORING OTHER SIDES OF
HUMANITY.
THEY WOULD BE SHOUTED DOWN IN A
FOREIGN.
>> WHAT I FIND SO AMAZING ABOUT
THIS GROUP OF INTELLECTUALS AND
PUNDITS, SCIENTISTS AMONG THEM
BEN SHAPIRO, BRETT AND HEATHER
HINES OBJECTING TO RACIAL
WHAT I FIND AMAZING ABOUT THEM
THROUGHOUT THE MODERN LENS OF
HISTORY YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT
HAVE BEEN MUGGED BY REALITY.
YOU HAVE THE NEW CONSERVATIVES
WHO STARTED OUT AND MADE THEIR
WAY TO THE RIGHT.
THE PEOPLE IN THIS GROUP IS THEY
HAVE REMAINED INTELLECTUALLY
INTELLECTUALLY DIVERSE AND THEY
HAVE A SORT OF ONGOING CIVIL
CONVERSATION WITH EACH OTHER.
OFTENTIMES ON TWITTER WE HAVE
SEEN PEOPLE ATTACKING EACH OTHER
IN THE MAINSTREAM FOR COLONIZING
THEM FOR HAVING A DIFFERENT IDEA
IN TRYING TO HAVE A CIVIL
CONVERSATION.
HE.
KENNEDY: AND IT'S INTERESTING
BECAUSE THEY COME FROM VERY
DIFFERENT PLACES AND THEY AND IN
VERY DIFFERENT PLACES.
THEY DON'T FIT IN TRADITIONAL
PARADIGMS.
IT'S ACTUALLY PROJECTION.
WHETHER IT'S ULTRA-PROGRESSIVISM
OR NEOCONSERVATIVES AND THEY
DON'T FIT COMFORTABLY SO THEY
HAVE TO FIND THEIR OWN IDENTITY.