at the triangle,
Cameron Fugal arranged for his colleague
Brock Wilson to fly a second helicopter out to the ranch.
Thanks for your help and bringing your beautiful
-machine out. -Thanks for having me.
I know we've spoken before and talked a little bit about
the experiment that we want to perform in the air
-over the triangle out there... -Yes.
...broadcasting some signals
between the helicopters and, also, down into the ground.
As Travis likes to say, you'll be flying
a push-broom pattern at various altitudes,
starting at low altitude and going to high.
-How high up are we going? -Five to six thousand feet
at the top end.
Okay.
-Great. -THOMAS: Well, let's get these birds in the air.
-All right. Let's go to work. -Let's do it.
TRAVIS: I will be in chopper one with Brock,
and Erik will be in chopper two with Thomas and Cameron.
And we're going to ascend in a synchronized pattern
to identify the actual size of the area above the triangle
that we call the "anomalous zone."
I got a GPS tracker here
-that I want to tape to your skids. -BROCK: Okay.
TRAVIS: This is where we've documented many anomalies,
or strange occurrences,
like UAPs, bizarre radio signals and GPS errors
between about 31 to 10,000 feet in the air.
So, as we ascend to various altitudes,
I'm going to transmit a 1.6 gigahertz frequency signal
over to Erik.
That's a signal we've been detecting frequently
on the ranch during many of our experiments.
And it's left us baffled
because that frequency is reserved by the military
for tracking communications between satellites
and the ground.
So it's got us questioning,
who's making those transmissions on the ranch and why?
I'll have you hold onto that.
TRAVIS: And since it's been an effective tool
in past experiments, we're also planning
to launch rockets to probe the area
and try and stimulate phenomena to occur above the triangle.
TRAVIS: When the two helicopters
reached 700 feet above the triangle,
we finally saw that a clear pattern
in the signal disruption was indeed occurring.
Every time Cameron's helicopter passed through
the northern region of the anomalous zone,
the signal between the choppers was broken.
So, that made me think we should go up
a lot higher to see what would happen next.
BROCK: Yeah.
Copy that.
We'll go ahead and launch the rocket here.
TRAVIS: Once we got up to 3,000 feet, it was time to launch a rocket
to see if we could stimulate
whatever this anomaly was to appear,
or at least see if we could get some GPS data
to pinpoint its position.
BRYANT: Rocket's going up in five,
four, three,
two, one.
The rocket's away.
-You see that GPS jump? -Yep.
SAM: Looks like he, uh,
instantaneously changed altitude.
KALEB: I don't think Brock did that.
The GPS data is showing the helicopter
making this big jump,
and what we're looking for with these blue dots
is a consistent movement across the screen.
So if there's anything outside of a regular interval
between these dots, that's some anomalous activity.
Uh, so, we have a pretty good...
-Yeah. -...GPS anomaly right there, I'd say.
KALEB: Looks like we're missing some data already.
BRYANT: So, we're missing GPS points?
Is that what you're saying, Kaleb?
KALEB: Yes.
SAM: Yeah, you are missing a lot of data.
TRAVIS: Once I figured out that Erik was receiving my signal
when his chopper was on the south side of the triangle,
but then was blocked by something
whenever he reached the north side...
All right.
...I wanted to see
what would happen
when I broadcast a signal
from my generator on the ground
to Erik in chopper two in the air.
Hey, Cameron,
can you get 300 feet above the triangle
and see if you can pick up Travis' signal?
Go ahead and radio up to them, Dragon.
Tell them I'm in position.
I am broadcasting.
Hey, Cameron, Travis is in position and
he is broadcasting to 1.6.
Confirming if you can see that signal or not.
-They're getting something? -No, they're getting nothing.
They're getting nothing right there?
Sam! They're not getting anything right over us,
and we're broadcasting from right here to there.
They've got 300-foot line of sight.
So, Travis is going to walk out to the south of the triangle
and have you pass over him
and see if you pick it up
away from the triangle.
Are they getting anything?
Are you guys picking anything up from here?
-Yeah, he can see it now. -He can see it here...
That's crazy.
So you were only about 300 feet
above the triangle and couldn't pick it up, but now,
at 1,000 feet away, you're picking it up.
That's interesting.
TRAVIS: So, once I got out
far away from the triangle,
the signal connection worked perfectly.
As scientists, this is the kind of data
that really excites Erik and me because it showed repeatedly
that something we couldn't see was blocking the signal.
But now, we have a lot of data to crunch
and video files to scrub through to see if something
even more impressive
was captured today above the triangle.
What I'm going to show you is the live GPS data
that was wirelessly streamed down during the flight.
This is from Brock's helicopter.
I've located the command center, or the helipad here,
with a white feature
So, you know, the elephant in the room here, of course, um...
-Where'd all the data go? -ERIK: ...is... is...
Well, the gaps, exactly.
Clearly, we don't have a fully continuous path here.
TRAVIS: We knew that Cameron's GPS was malfunctioning,
or being blocked by something during the experiment,
but seeing the gaps in Brock's GPS data was really baffling.
According to our tracking system,
Brock's helicopter literally disappeared
and then reappeared.
So, what in the world did that mean?
I've got a clip that I want to show you
from the skid of the helicopter looking downward.
I'll just play it through, tell me if you see--
-TRAVIS: This is Cameron's helicopter? -ERIK: Yeah.
CAMERON: Oh. Right there.
Brandon was in the car across the bottom, right?
-Yeah. -Yeah.
-Back, back up, Erik. -ERIK: Okay.
Okay, I'm just taking it back one frame at a time.
BRYANT: There's a little white--
TRAVIS: Oh, whoa, whoa! There it is.
BRYANT: ...white stick right there.
ERIK: Right there, yeah.
TRAVIS: Leave, leave it there, man, Erik.
I got to look at it with my eyeballs.
ERIK: Do you see any internal structure there?
TRAVIS: Well, so what you do see
are two lines in the middle that are saturated,
meaning they're as hot as they can be,
or as bright as they can be.
ERIK: So, what does that tell you?
TRAVIS: Well, so it tells me
one of two things:
There are either two structures to it
or it's two objects.
Wow.
TRAVIS: We've seen all kinds of UAPs in the last few years
above Skinwalker Ranch.
Some have looked like orbs of light...
...and some have actually looked like they could be
nuts and bolts crafts.
But this one-- or these two, if they were separate objects--
appeared to be physical crafts.
So...
what was this
and was it related to all the signal disruptions
that we experienced during the experiment?
They're offset like this,
-right? -So we should see
if that persists in the next frame.
TRAVIS: Yeah, that's what I was gonna see.
Okay.
TRAVIS: Go a frame back or forward.
ERIK: Forward. Okay. There it is.
TRAVIS: Same thing, same thing.
-You ready to go one more? -TRAVIS: Yeah.
ERIK: Okay, so you've got it right there.
-Yeah. -ERIK: Now forward,
-and here we are-- -Same--
same thing. Same thing.
Do we have an estimation
on the size of the object?
Yeah, you can see that that's about the same length
as the bed of the pickup truck.
ERIK: That's a great scale comparison.
TRAVIS: So this is a short bed, so that's about...
-Five and a half foot. -TRAVIS: There you go, five and a half foot.
So what you got there is a five-foot object
in the field of view of this camera.
KALEB: Yeah.
ERIK: Have we seen anything
exactly like this before?
I don't have a memory of seeing something like,
exactly like this one.
I don't think exactly, no.
ERIK: You know, a lot of what we see is either spherical
or approximately spherical or kind of fuzzy.
Uh, in this case, I just,
I don't think it has a precedent.
I don't think we know what these things are.
I'm not sure that we can classify them.
But we're going to just continue collecting
data of this kind every time we go to altitude
and see if they form some kind of pattern.
We got to figure out
where are they going to and where are they coming from?