TREASURY IS STILL GEARED TOWARDS A REPUBLICAN-ONLY BILL.
>> DESPITE PROMISES TO MOVE QUICKLY ON DACA, IT'S FINDING A
SLOW START IN CONGRESS. HOUSE SPEAKER PAUL RYAN IS
PLANNING TO MEET WITH NANCY PELOSI ALONG WITH THE HEADS OF
THE CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS, CONGRESSIONAL HISPANIC CAUCUS
AND THE CONGRESSIONAL ASIAN-PACIFIC AMERICAN CAUCUS
TODAY TO DISCUSS PATHS FORWARD ON DACA.
BUT THE REALITY IS IT HAS FALLEN FROM THE TOP OF THE AGENDA.
CONGRESSMAN MIKE KAUFMAN, WORKING ON A BIPARTISAN PLAN
WITH LUIS GUTIERREZ SAID WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON, IT'S BEEN
PUT ON THE BACK BURNER. A SENATE HEARING ON THE PROGRAM
TO KEEP CHILDREN OF UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS IN THE COUNTRY WAS
POSTPONED IN HURRICANE IRMA'S WAKE.
STILL DEEP MISGIVINGS AMONG PEOPLE AND DURING A CHRISTIAN
SCIENCE MONITOR BREAKFAST, WHITE HOUSE LEGISLATIVE DIRECTOR MARK
SCHWARTZ SAID THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP MAY NOT INSIST THAT
CONGRESS FUND THE BORDER WALL AS PART OF A DEAL TO RESOLVE DACA.
>> I THINK THAT WE ARE MOST INTERESTED IN GETTING BORDER
SECURITY AND THE PRESIDENT HAS MADE A COMMITMENT TO THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT HE WANTS -- HE BELIEVES THAT A PHYSICAL
BARRIER IS IMPORTANT TO THAT EQUATION OF BORDER SECURITY.
WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS PART OF A DACA EQUATION OR OTHER
LEGISLATIVE VEHICLE, I DON'T WANT US TO BIND OURSELVES INTO A
CONSTRUCT THAT MAKES REACHING A CONCLUSION ON DACA IMPOSSIBLE.
>> AGAIN, NOT TO BE DRIVEN BY POLLS, BUT IF YOU JUST DON'T
WANT TO DO EXTRAORDINARILY STUPID THINGS THAT MAKE YOU LESS
POPULAR, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE PRESIDENT IS ACTUALLY INTERESTED
IN SEEING HIS POLL NUMBERS GO UP AS OF LATE.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT GALLUP, HE WAS UP 34.
DACA, 75% OF HIS OWN SUPPORTERS WANT HIM TO WORK WITH CONGRESS
TO MAKE SURE THAT D.R.E.A.M.ers AREN'T DEPORTED.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE WALL, WHICH WAS NEVER POPULAR.
EVEN WHEN IT WAS HELPING HIM WIN THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION, 65%
OF AMERICANS WERE OPPOSED TO T I'M SURE THAT NUMBER HAS GONE UP
THIS EVEN MORE. WE'RE HEARING HERE, PEOPLE ARE
SAYING THIS SAY BETRAYAL OF THE VOTERS.
NO, THIS IS SOMEBODY INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE SAYING MAYBE WE WANT
TO BE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ISSUES WITH AMERICAN PEOPLE FOR
ONCE. >> CERTAINLY THE CROWDS THAT
CAME TO CANDIDATE TRUMP'S RALLIES WANTED THE WALL BUT IT
NEVER POLLED WELL ACROSS THE NATION, HOW IT WOULD EVER GET
PAID FOR OR CONSTRUCTED. WITH DACA -- WITH D.R.E.A.M.ers,
HE IS FACING PRESSURE, SAYING THIS IS A PROBLEMATIC ISSUE.
IF YOU GO AFTER THIS, THERE'S NOT MUCH GOOD POLITICALLY IF
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POLL NUMBERS.
THE IDEA OF CHILDREN WHO WERE BROUGHT HERE, WHO HAD NO SAY IN
THE MATTER, SENDING THEM HOME TO COUNTRIES THEY DON'T REMEMBER,
IF THEY CAME HOME AS INFANTS AND TO PIGGYBACK EARLIER, THE
PRESIDENT, MORE THAN ANYTHING, FANCIES HIMSELF AS A DEAL MAKER,
A PRESIDENT WHO LIKES WINS, EVEN SMALL WINS, LOVED WHAT HAPPENED
LAST WEEK. HAS TOLD PEOPLE CLOSE TO HIM
THAT THE HEADLINES HE GOT FROM PELL OWESY AND SCHUMER WERE SOME
OF THE BEST HE HAS RECEIVED SINCE COMING INTO OFFICE AND IS
INCLINED TO DO MORE TO GET GOOD PRESS.
>> THIS D.R.E.A.M.ers DEAL IS A DEAL THAT SEEMS TO BE SHAPING UP
EXACTLY IN A WAY THAT PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS WOULD WANT IT TO
SHAPE UP. YOU HAVE THINGS THAT REPUBLICANS
WANT, YOU'VE GOT THINGS THAT DEMOCRATS WANT.
IT SEEMS THAT SOMEBODY CAN PUT TOGETHER A PACKAGE -- IT WON'T
BE EVERYTHING THAT PAUL RYAN WANTS AND IT WON'T BE EVERYTHING
THAT NANCY PELOSI WANTS BUT MAYBE THEY CAN PUT TOGETHER A
DEAL THAT ACTUALLY COMPROMISES. >> THIS SHOULD BE ONE OF THE
ISSUES. I'M ON THE PESSIMISTIC END ABOUT
HOW MUCH COOPERATION AND COMPROMISE WE'LL SEE FROM
DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ON THINGS LIKE TAXES.
ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS WHERE THERE IS BIPARTISAN SUPPORT FOR
IT, MOST OR ALL OF THE DEMOCRATS, HEFTY NUMBER OF
REPUBLICANS, THERE OUGHT TO BE A WAY TO GET TO THE DEAL T MAY BE
ON THE BACK BURNER AT THE MOMENT BECAUSE OF HURRICANES AND
PRESSING BUSINESS. YOU'VE GOT A SIX-MONTH WINDOW.
I THINK YOU'LL SEE IT GET DONE. >>> WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF
GENERAL JOHN KELLY, GUTIERREZ RECENTLY CALLED KELLY A
HYPOCRITE AND A DISGRACE TO THE UNIFORM HE USED TO WEAR.
VERY HARSH. BECAUSE HE SUPPORTED TRUMP'S
DECISION TO END DACA. FACING OPEN CRITICISM YESTERDAY,
GUTIERREZ DOUBLED DOWN ON HIS CRITIQUE, CALLING KELLY MEAN.
QUOTE, HE'S A POLITICIAN, OKAY, NOT A GENERAL.
I DON'T SEE A UNIFORM. HE'S A POLITICIAN WHO WORKS FOR
DONALD TRUMP. GUTIERREZ TOLD THE CROWD, A
POLITICIAN WHO DIDN'T STAND UP WHEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES ATTACKED A REAL WAR HERO, JOHN McCAIN.
>> I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO START WITH THAT.
THAT IS SO OUTRAGEOUS. TO SAY HE'S MEAN BECAUSE WE'RE
NOW GOING, AT THE END THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE LAW OF THE
LAND. IT'S NOT GOING TO AN EXECUTIVE
ORDER. IT'S GOING TO BE LAW OF THE
LAND. TO SAY THAT A GUY WHO HAS GIVEN
HIS ENTIRE LIFE TO THIS COUNTRY IS -- YOU KNOW WHAT?
SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES YOU JUST GOT TO SAY YOU'RE SORRY.
>> YEAH. >> SOMETIMES YOU JUST GOT TO SAY
I SCREWED UP. THAT WAS JUST HORRIFIC.
>> I THINK THERE ARE VERY STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP,
ESPECIALLY AMONG DEMOCRATS. AND SOME OF THEM ARE VERY
LEGITIMATE. AND I JUST WORRY THAT WITHIN ALL
THIS, WE NORMALIZE HORRIFIC BEHAVIOR ON ONE SIDE AND NOT THE
OTHER. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES SENSE
BUT -- >> LISTEN, I SERVED WITH HIM.
>> WHAT HE'S TRYING TO SAY IS -- >> I LIKE HIM.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT HE'S TRYING TO SAY.
HE SCREWED UP AND HE NEEDS TO APOLOGIZE.
IT'S DISGRACEFUL. AND YOU ACTUALLY --
>> HE CAN SAY I DISAGREE WITH GENERAL KELLY FOR SUPPORTING
DONALD TRUMP. >> BUT HE DOESN'T KNOW -- SEE
THAT'S THE THING. >> I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.
>> HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT GENERAL ANKLECY DOING IN THE
BACKGROUND. >> I KNOW.
>> HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW IF GENERAL KELLY SAID LISTEN,
BARACK OBAMA SAID WHEN HE PASSED THIS IN 2012 THAT THIS WAS ONLY
A TEMPORARY FIX, THAT CONGRESS HAD TO ACT.
THAT'S WHAT BARACK OBAMA SAID. AND SO MAYBE GENERAL KELLY --
NONE OF US KNOW. IF YOU MAKE THIS ANNOUNCEMENT,
YOU CAN MAKE THIS ANNOUNCEMENT BUT YOU'RE GOING TO FACE A LOT
OF PRESSURE IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WENT ON. TO DENEGRADE A MAN AND CALL HIM
A DISGRACE IS SAD AND PATHETIC. >> DESPITE WHAT GUTIERREZ SAID
HE REMAIN ACE GENERAL FOR LIFE, A GUY WHO GAVE 50 YEARS, HALF A
CENTURY IN THE MILITARY, GAVE HIS SERVICE, LOST HIS SON TO
THIS COUNTRY. I DON'T THINK HE NEEDS A LECTURE
FROM MR. GUTIERREZ ABOUT HONOR AND COURAGE.
>> NO, I AGREE. >> THE OTHER PART OF IT IS, JOE,
AS YOU SAID, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
>> YEAH. >> NANCY PELOSI AND CHUCK
SCHUMER WON THAT ARGUMENT. DACA IS GOING TO BECOME LAW.
RANK PARTISANSHIP AND THROW TO HIS BASE SAYING DON'T WORRY, I'M
ANTI-TRUMP ON ALL QUESTIONS, EVEN GENERAL KELLY, IT DOESN'T
MAKE SENSE, GIVEN THE DEAL THAT WAS STRUCK LAST WEEK.
>> GENERAL KELLY, AS SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY WENT TO
CONGRESS AND TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THE DACA ISSUE AND SAID WE
DON'T THINK IT'S LEGAL. YOU SHOULD GO AHEAD AND
LEGISLATE THIS NOW TO AVOID A PROBLEM WITH THE COURTS LATER.
NOTHING HAPPENED. WHAT'S HAPPENED NOW IN GENERAL
KELLY'S POINT OF VIEW, THEY'VE GIVEN CONGRESS A SIX-MONTH
DEADLINE BY PHASING OUT THE PROGRAM AS IT CONSTITUTES ITSELF
ON AN EXECUTIVE ORDER AND, BY DOING SO, GIVING CONGRESS
BASICALLY A NOTICE. YOU HAVE TO STEP UP.
GENERAL KELLY'S POINT OF VIEW IS NOT THAT DACA IS WRONG OR
SHOULDN'T BE LAW OF THE LAND. HIS POINT OF VIEW, I THINK, IS
THAT CONGRESS SHOULD STEP IN AND CONGRESS, SO FAR, HAS FAILED TO
DO THAT. THEY'VE TRIED TO GIVE AN
INCENTIVE. HAVING SAID THAT, OF COURSE,
IT'S A GAME OF CHICKEN. CONGRESS MAY NOT RESPOND TO
THIS. CONGRESS MAY NOT LEGISLATE IT.
WE'LL SEE. IT COULD EASILY GET CAUGHT AND
UP SIX MONTHS FROM NOW THIS PROGRAM DOES END WITHOUT A DEAL.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD BE AFFECTED THEN.
>> PETER, I MAY BE MITAKEN HERE.
I THINK IF MY MEMORY IS CORRECT, GENERAL KELLY ALSO TESTIFIED
BEFORE CONGRESS AND SAID THAT A PHYSICAL WALL WASN'T GOING TO
KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF THIS COUNTRY, THAT IT WAS GOING TO TAKE A MORE
NUANCED APPROACH TO THAT. AND I THINK THE FIRST WEEKEND
WHEN BANNON AND MILLER WERE GOING AROUND, TRYING TO BYPASS,
IT WAS GENERAL KELLY WHO WAS AGAINST THEIR GREEN CARD
PROPOSAL. GENERAL KELLY, A MAN BEING
CALLED A DISGRACE TO THE UNIFORM ACTUALLY BEING A VOICE OF
MODERATION ON EVERY ONE OF THESE ISSUES.
>> YEAH. HE WANTS -- VERY MUCH A REGULAR
ORDER. IF THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO
PURSUE POLICIES IT OUGHT TO BE THROUGH LAWYERS OR A PROCESS TO
MAKE SURE, IN HIS VIEW, THAT VETTED AND STANDS UP.
THAT'S WHAT DID NOT HAPPEN, FOR INSTANCE, WITH THE FIRST TRAVEL
BAN THAT WAS PUT OUT BY THE PRESIDENT IN THE EARLY DAYS,
THAT JOHN KELLY WAS NOT REALLY READ IN ON IN A BIG WAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION
OF DEMOCRATS, THOUGH, LOOKING AT THIS SITUATION.
DACA IS SOMETHING THAT SEEMS, YOU KNOW, IMMINENTLY IMPORTANT
TO THEM AND THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE PUT IT AT RISK HAVE
FRUSTRATED MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND HAVE LASHED OUT IN WAYS THAT
YOU DESCRIBED. >> LASHING OUT IN TRUMP, AT
LEAST FOR DEMOCRATS, BEING VITRIOLIC OR SHRILL TOWARD TRUMP
IS JUST NOT A WINNING EQUATION. >> NO.
>> WE'VE GOT TO FIND ANOTHER WAY.
>> AND WHY ALIENATE THE ONE GUY, GENERAL KELLY, THAT COULD HELP
YOU GET WHAT YOU WANT? >> LIKE YOU SAID IT'S GOING HIS
WAY. REPUBLICANS --
>> THERE'S MORE HAPPENING WITH HIM THAN I WOULD EVEN LIKE TO
SAY BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO JINX IT.
>> PEOPLE ARE CALLING, SAYING KELLY IS MAKING HIM TOO MODERN
ON THESE ISSUES. HERE'S $1,000.
NO! HERE'S $,000.
NO! WHY IS HE DOING IT?
>> THEY HAVE ONE NOTE. >> ANTI-TRUMP REFLEX.
>> THEY HAVE ONE NOTE. >> ANTI-TRUMP REFLEX THAT IS
OFTEN WARRANTED THAT CANNOT BE TURNED OFF.
>> I FORGET WHAT THE DEMOCRATS' NEW SLOGAN IS BUT IT OUGHT TO BE
LEAD RATHER THAN RESIST. WHAT IS THE NEW SLOGAN?
>> MORE PORK CHOPS, LESS COST. >> MORE BETTER.
>> WHAT IS IT? >> HONESTLY, WHAT IS IT?
>> YEAH, WHAT IS -- MARK HALPERIN.
>> HALPERIN, WHAT'S THEIR NEW SLOGAN?
>> THEY HAVE A NEW SLOGAN. >> WHO?
>> THE DEMOCRATS. WHAT IS IT?
>> POWERFUL, STRONGER, TOGETHER, FORWARD.
>> NO. LEAD.
>> THE BETTER DEAL. >> THE BETTER DEAL.
>> ONE WORD OFF THE BETTER WAY, WHICH IS PAUL RYAN'S VERSION.
>> I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE PORK CHOPS, LESS MONEY.
>> WE ALL AGREE