we are starting to get details on the extent of the n_s_a_ wire tapping out
data mining there a couple of different areas of coordination between the
government and private industry they want to talk about and details are still
coming up we have some more information we have previous days
so first you have the the major phone networks are working with the n_s_a_
that includes verizon eighteen t spring uh... no word yet boost mobile
but double the big ones anyway are providing information to the n_s_a_
now they're very quick to point out that the actual content of the conversations
is at least so far apparently not being recorded
but who's been called the direction of calls and things of that nature are
being
uh... that information is being transmitted to the n_s_a_ you know this
is so proud of her as well but i'm today as a bad
how prodi is that they don't listen in on the calls
but because of prism in blarney which are the internet programs that baseline
on
what differences that make me to look at on your emails they didn't go to every
website you've ever been done
the elderly c_r_t_ mails as your typing them even if you don't send them
or how does it all my costco provided a merciful preparedness is pretty good
people
would be a lot more concern about the websites they're going to
more than that conversation there have other uncle yeah but you know so uh...
it's
this is not possibly tonight if had not put a silver lining the apt
so are the one area we have very little information unfortunately as we do have
constant references to credit card transactions
being catalogued and being given to them essay
we don't yet know which which banks which credit card companies are actually
doing that gathering and that the transmitted information hikes for could
eventually that that will come out so we don't currently no so now the scope of
the program is we've got uh... rise in eighteen teased and sprayed et cetera
sebab overworked three hundred million americans in just those companies right
that we've got uh... microsoft google yahoo and well state
skye has talked nor only major website it appears that is
not being mother like you to twitter and the younger saka and infoworld
conceivably effect so-called iraq nobody sailing over yeah
that that might be sufficient
so uh...
and then on top of that you've got your credit card so what
goodwin even haha
forget our this is for as i said over three hundred million americans that are
affected at least
not press that they claim well look
uh... we're not would need to u_s_ we're looking outside the u_s_ sore moderate
all those emails and web sites the center for foreigners but but not
necessarily
for if i don't believe there for a second of course is exactly what
happened what actually i'm not so uh... james clapper the the director of
national townsend says and at the n_s_a_ did not know did not willingly collect
any type of data pertaining to millions of americans file of the out millions
and millions of their that unwittingly they've it might very well done and that
will ever heard wittingly houston sent now i have a lot of thought about that
so uh... here's what more from the washington post
story on that
this is how they break it down and we'll see you system from the web portal at
fort meade maryland pkwy and selectors
or search terms that are designed to produce at least fifty one percent
confidence into targets for it
so late based on a path
they still have a photo or something like that here
they did during the final if you're fifty one percent confident that your
four
as the washington post points out this is the report for the paper
not a very stringent
write-ups or example if you have to have a name like chain huber
are you get across a fifty one percent of the threshold on a bill of these
interpreted
so that the training that materials obtained by the washington post
instruct milan was to make quarterly reports of any accidental collection of
u_s_ content
but that at seven or eight
it however i cannot after getting it for why i don't think uh... person who broke
the original verizon story works for the guardian which is a british paper many
lives in brazil things going for a while
that is outside the united states so they can look into every single thing
he's ever done online ago sergeant i'd love that like whether starr thirty one
percent of all they can they do because it is outside and i think he's forty
vandalizing u_s_ settled yet
there but it's awesome that apparently like we we have the constitution which
are gonna get see a bit like apparently now the government's fine on you can
come down to whether or not you call it soccer football
yes or no that's not right i have a case palpable jewel
and i don't know what is the state of the israeli one percent for
when they make the mistake they gather up the quarterly report
has been going on so long tiring of quarterly reports ok at console
this is fascinating because number one we've collecting trillions of whatever
unit we use
how bad i write and and this is now beginning date
pulitzer nicholas big dada
uh... and then we collected on foreigners when it comes to the internet
we collected on
america's when it comes to fall lines
and we
unwittingly he collected time it online for americans as well if we figure fifty
one percent four
it so it's a
now i've got to read to you the fourth amendment of the united states
constitution
and let's see if this is the piers constitutional
or perhaps across if it was rejected again
the russian people to be secure in their persons houses
papers acts
biggest unreasonable searches and seizures
trust the violent it
and don't want to sell insured but upon probable cause
supported by over operation
and particularly this finding the place to be searched
and the persons or things that the seats
now they violated least for parts of the fourth amendment there
but the one everyone of course i was a very bad
particularly describing the place to be search in the presence of things to be
seats
when you search
three hundred million americans
it doesn't appear that your describing a person or
place you'd like to servers and what should i believe that
play devil's advocate is of course there is a counter-argument to that need one
which i don't really agree with but nonetheless their other parts of the
constitution about protecting the lives well-being american citizens that organ
enter into conflict with that
and they would also say that we're just gathering is that we're not looking at
or not no one is we don't have people yeah i think i have a actually searching
we've gathered for our dissident i've got
but you didn't know argument is that at some point be more than just laughing at
that because i don't think they have
i don't think they're looking through my emails i don't think they care
the question is
if you're not engaged in the kind of activity that they're looking for
do we really have a new worry about because although we were worried about
is when you
communicate with your mistress when you can get on a website that would have a
rich you when you're trying to undo popular political opinion on whether for
congress after i try to write is absolutely recycled waste
the fourth amendment
explains
how the rest of the constitution
is constrained
so therefore systems particularly liberty of separate
but this was to do it within each district
it's and so you don't have to say well i had to protect your life and liberty
site
ignore the rest of the constitution wrecked so that that's got idon't think
it's gone because that we have a war that as technology has changed obviously
they did know about computers we can
presume that want to talk about papers that applies to the pink sticker
looking out on your computer weather on the internet or not but also what's
changed also lose the ability
the ability to strike uses this kind of technology also through a lot of hacking
lee women instructed them but they're
the the the need for the government
to protect our broader scale has also changed the ability of
enemies of the state legitimate
well it's not ok gentler fixing
me percentile an argument
incredibly unpersuasive man
is that i would say to the government fish who says that break then uh... put
together an amendment to amend the constitution and will have a
conversation about that
when we are ammonium all that's the image of the
until the end this for the batteries enormously clip
enormously clear that says we want to go to your papers and effects of cetera
unless was targeting a specific person and we'll walk on that person you can't
award as applies accorded a three hundred million people
but what i think i'll read the fourth that's fine but if you unwittingly dot
all-access
this issue different aspects here to dress up and saying that they're
interesting points
so want dignity you're gathering our records as to who we call how what we
call them for several
you're ready
in essence looking at that you don't have to look at the phone call
gathering of information is for ready unconstitutional
you see what i'm saying passenger side but i'm curious about is of course that
this is not uh... fourth amendment is not
well it may be the
listed many of the members of congress
passed a law that makes this legal
right maybe unconstitutional but its legal nobody broke the law here role
plays threat there were probably some was broken
i don't know if i have
little confidence
certainly i don't make out the five members bring court that are going to
say that this violates uh... the the fourth about the question is before we
even at a lower court
personally
for the change it like okay
all type of judges
get one vote
and it's going to be a another job water getting federal judges around me there
are the country
arguments are those missus constitutional
uh... i sort of don't sense that that that's going away
so welcome essentially question so this is an important part of the process
because
so sometimes people say well look this legal the present about missing that all
day today i i'd pass that the congress is uh... knows about and they're okay
with it
and i went to one court the files according they were ok with at all three
branches of government agreed
ag and so sometimes people get confused
but the reality is that congress passes in the president's science
many laws that later at the supreme court rules are
unconstitutional
the they passed
but they shouldn't have passed as there are constitutional right
so it ultimately the arbiter of whether the same constitutional will have to be
the supreme court
if it ever gets and now they c l_ u_n_ among others the same well now that we
know that we have our if you're a verizon customer cetera
tracking you grenada u_s_a_ need to go to court to say i am the person who's
selling
as on the person being tracked which you could have done before but because we
knew this was going on this weather this was the least result oriented
bignews too
that i can remember
amogh at ok obviously they've been doing active i'd just have one quote we knew
it we knew it i don't really i guess is that i think he told the guy in kansas
hate you know this is a crack in all your phone calls like this you know i i
think crazy conspiracy theory completely i really do and i think that movie
cellmark thing to do with that is that we've seen it and television and movies
since the moment
twenty four
game on the air at the you know and there's something about you watch
how easily they were able to hone in on information on to some of that is
unrealistic but it had a and it was like you just said
this doesn't feel like that this is not so far at about before we know it
capable apply to all of a word for it this way because i am so we say about
popular culture
a week ago you had said on c_n_n_ head of the government rakhi
every single phone call in the country
they would have laughed out of the studio you would have been able to come
back on c_n_n_
suha let's try craig's no don't know that
that's as crazy that's designed for a little bit you're breaking the argument
over what use the word track
like a gang
said what they are trying to recruit well veto restoring like that they're
gathering that they're dead that they have data
that he could be an essay no instantly every phone call at made over the last
six years
how long was it to who was and to whom it was i would say
yeah i think they could
if thats tracking ok type
i would go a little bit but i thought so what what what's the cancer events
question
which is which way the supreme court will go
actually dot i'd believe they will rule it unconstitutional
that's possible and we as i said the words i don't think they will act dot
okay i still don't think they will
but they might they might so scalia as surprise people earlier death
in the week by saying that the d_n_a_ testing that they do
on people who've been arrested is constitutional
because that's violates the fourth amendment
dvd for d_n_a_ testing on a guy who's already been arrested
is unconstitutional which it's all over this
and as i've read the text of that their i'd put them
it's the most anti-social they have ever seen
it was literally four different parts
of a very short of an ict
and so i think there's some chairs
that some of the conservative look at the end of it
comin we should be without a hitch entirely possible
as of now backtracking completely because you know for a while the as we
hear here from bill o'reilly later in the show
plenty of conservatives
are reacting to it
aggressively
you know what shocked the world and will decide on central park sounds
anybody who thinks anybody who's genuinely obsessed with the concern
about
broad government
and i'll tell you i've been should do you think clarence thomas hasn't been on
the wrong kind of websites members confirmation hearings for what you think
that he wants the government knowing what websites he's been on them
wittingly or unwittingly
my guess is that something closer consultation
all right so will say was safe
but on this
basis and then we have a conversation year devil's advocate etcetera
you're going to take your call but read it again and again
to me it seems
obviously massively unconstitutional