- Hey guys, Sean again, Custom Offsets.
Custom Offsets TV on Shit I Never Knew.
Today we're going to cover Stagger Swagger.
This isn't huge for the truck guys,
although I do see more and more doing it,
especially the race truck folks from the Instagram.
When we get in the staggered setup,
and this is big on cars,
especially like this RX7,
where you just want to hit the track
and do awesome race car stuff.
What they'll do
is they'll have the rear wheel and tire be wider.
Should probably set that so you can see it.
In the rear than in the front,
so if you line these up, you can see that that rear tire
is probably at least an inch if not more wider.
And the thing is the wheel itself is also wider.
So this front is an 8 and 1/2 wide,
and then it's a plus 30 offset.
In the rear, is 9 and 1/2 and a plus 22 offset.
So not only is this one wider,
it's also a touch more aggressive,
because our goal on that car was to bring them
all the way flush,
within a half or a quarter inch of the fender.
So we want the more aggressive offset on the rear
to bring it out as far as humanly possible.
And on the front, at plus 30,
we're already out as far as we can,
before you're gonna start having problems when you're trying
to crank the wheel.
So what will happen is,
this one is an example.
They're both 18s, but they're different widths,
different offsets,
and different tire size.
You don't always have to get that carried away.
What some people will do is they'll get--
I'll just keep this one out.
They'll get two wheels,
both of them 8 and 1/2 wide,
and they'll let this one be a plus 30 offset for up front,
and then maybe they'll find that that wheel's
also offered in a plus 15,
and they'll put that on a street truck.
So in the rear, it's still an 8 and 1/2 wide,
but it's a plus 15.
And remember the smaller the plus number,
the more it comes out,
So what that'll do is leave your front
where you can still turn,
but in the rear,
the offset will actually push it out
and give you that flush look
cause a lot of vehicles,
the rear is sucked in more than the front
when they set up the back geometry.
This will push that rear our and give you that flush look.
That's super popular in the Chevy S10 world.
In the Silverado world, I've seen it a lot.
They'll use the same width,
but then go with a different offset.
Another example, and I'll show you that later
on our custom offsets Lambo.
On the Lamborghini, the wheel well--
Find my magic markers here.
So our Lamborghini looks kind of like this.
And what they'll do is they will make this wheel well
about yay big,
and then on the rear on that car,
and I really want a spoiler, so we're putting one on there
and then maybe that'll make it so that we buy one.
They'll make this wheel well a little bit larger.
So on that car you'll see what we did
is we did a 20 inch on the front,
and then on the rear we did a 21 inch.
And what that does is it's creating a similar
wheel gap on the front and rear,
and it's making it look more symmetrical.
So even though the wheel in the back
is an inch larger diameter,
it makes the car in general look better
because your wheel gap gets eaten up in our opening anyways.
So the offset example where you have two the same width
but different offset is popular in the truck world.
You'll see some cars like BMW's, Mercedes,
and some guys are doing the same thing,
but then they run the same tire size on front and rear,
and then they can rotate the side to side.
So you could rotate the rears and the fronts,
but you couldn't rotate front to back
because then your offset is moving to the front,
and you'll really look stupid.
People will make fun of you at the Walmart meet.
So width is the other example.
That was the one I showed you here,
where a lot of times they'll run narrower in the front
and wider in the back,
and you could have the same offset or different offset,
it's relevant because the width is changed.
It's changing that setup.
And then diameter is the example here,
where maybe you run a 21 in the rear and a 20 up front.
That would be your diameter.
So what it comes down to then is,
you start picking out tires like I said.
If you were to run all the same size wheels,
you can run all the same size tires,
you're good to go you can rotate.
When you start running something like this,
if you look at this tire,
this one actually belongs on the other side of the car,
if you look at this tire,
it's got a directional tread pattern.
So when you look at the side wall,
it will flat out tell you that it needs to rotate this way,
which means that this has to go on the front left,
or driver's side of the car,
and it cannot be rotated,
so there's no where for it to go.
Same thing with this one.
This one you can see the arrow on here,
traveling this way also.
That means this is the right rear.
That's the only place that one can go.
There is no rotating a setup like this.
You can't go side to side.
You can't go front to back.
These tires will sit in whatever position you put them in,
and once they're gone they're gone.
And that's why I think it's super important
to watch your alignment.
Just have it checked once in a while,
especially if you're starting to see outside
or inner tire wear,
so you'll want to watch on the tire itself,
and up front is where it's most common,
unless if you've got something going on in the rear.
You'll see it start to wear on this edge,
or start to wear on the inside edge,
and then you need to get that alignment redone,
so that you can try to wear this tire evenly,
or you're not just going to get the miles out of it.
Because you cannot rotate.
So that would be an example of the directional wheels,
or the directional tires,
but there's also directional wheels.
And what that means is
sometimes they'll come out with a spoke design
that will run forward,
so they'll tip the spoke design forward,
and they'll literally have a passenger side
and a driver's side so that all of them are tipped backwards
like on the Lambo.
You'll literally have--
Each wheel can only go in its exact spot.
It can only go in the rear.
It can only go in the front,
and then the tip of the spoke,
determines left or right.
And it will actually be stamped on the back side
a lot of times.
Driver's or passenger's or right or left.
And then you have to follow that directional.
And then when you're mounting and balancing,
you have to pay attention that you put the right tire
on the right wheel
on the right side
so that everything's matched up.
Because every tire then and every wheel
has an exact location it has to go on on the car.
So we covered the rotating.
That's your directional wheel.
One of the big things that I forget about all the time,
and I have to remind people because I still fall for it.
When you're going to pick out wheels
and you know you're doing a staggered setup,
it's important to figure out what sizes you need first,
and then start looking at wheels,
because to find this wheel
and be like yeah that's bad ass that's the exact one I want.
Here's the 20 by 9 I'm good to go,
and then you go to look and there's no such thing
as a wider rear,
but you're trying to get that staggered setup.
You've wasted all that time because this wheel
just isn't gonna work for you.
A lot of time what I'll do,
because the rears are harder to find,
pretty much the fronts are always made
because they're the same ones
when people run a square setup,
the same size on all four corners,
it's usually that front size.
So I always look for a rear wheel first.
If I knew I want a 20 or an 18 by 9 and 1/2,
between plus 20 and plus 30 offset,
I'll go on the website and I'll look for the rear first.
Once I find it,
I save that and then I go and find the front,
in the 18 by 9 that I'm looking for in the rough offset
that I need.
So that is how you put the two together,
and then you end up with a complete set
that you can actually run together.
And remember it has to be in your bolt pattern,
so I also sort by bolt pattern right off the bat.
This stuff can be super confusing,
so let me make it more confusing.
If you have an all wheel drive car,
the Cadillac CTS we used to have was an all wheel drive,
the Lambo is an all wheel drive,
what starts to happen there,
is because the all wheel drive system is smart,
and it's looking for slip,
what it's doing is it's saying,
hey front tire,
when you rotate two times,
the back tire needs to keep up.
Otherwise you're slipping.
Well look at this.
These two are two different sizes.
So with this one being significantly smaller,
this one significantly larger,
when you're going down the road,
you can not--
I can't read that.
When you go down the road,
this one's going to be traveling more rotations
than this one,
and it's going to constantly going to be telling the car
that this front end is slipping,
and it's gonna keep sending signals
and clicking things up.
It's basically gonna wear your shit out
is what I'm trying to tell you.
The rule is,
it can be 1% different.
So if you have your front,
let's call your rear tire a 26 inch rear.
That means you need to be plus or minus 1% in the inches.
So what would that be?
0.26 inches.
You need to be within like a 1/4 inch
on the size of the tires.
So if you need help with that,
we have calculators out on the website.
If you simply look up calculators on customoffsets.com,
they're down on the bottom of the page.
There's places where you can put in these two tire sizes,
it'll literally tell you the width difference,
and the diameter,
I'm sorry I should be clear.
This is diameter, or the height.
Diameter.
It has to be within 1% for all wheel drive.
Now on the Lambo,
we got crazy and went 3% different,
because I flat out couldn't find the right size,
and I am willing to take that risk.
I looked at the stock sizes,
and on that car the stock sizes were off by 1.5%,
so I believe that the car is set up for more tolerance
for that smaller front.
So I'm comfortable going a little bigger on the rear,
as far as the height
and getting that little bit different ratio.
It doesn't work that well,
but we do have on the website
where you can go out there,
and you can choose staggered setup
when you start to look for your wheels and tires.
All it's gonna do is it's gonna say,
since you picked this wheel,
we're gonna show you,
in an 18,
then we'll show you this same make and model wheel, in 18s.
So that then you can go and try to find the rear match.
The trouble is, we're running into too many people that say,
well I'm gonna run a machine one, I don't know.
They're running different colors,
so they're running chrome in the front
and black in the back.
They're running 18s in the front and 20s in the back.
So we tried to make a tool that would be smart,
but what it was doing is it wasn't allowing people to do
what they wanted.
So now we've backed it off,
but it still helps.
It's a staggered button underneath any wheel that you find,
and then it will have you find your front wheels
and then find your rear wheels,
and it will help match you up
and keep the bolt pattern consistent,
so that you don't buy one of each
in different bolt patterns,
and have yourself a damn mess.
So that should be it.
Shit I never knew.
If you're gonna go get yourself a fancy ass car,
especially if it has all wheel drive,
this is super important,
and ask for help.
Sales at customoffsets.com.
Our team can help put together a staggered setup.
This was one for example,
we didn't have any RX7's from 1993
on the website.
So I literally went and searched the forums
to help this customer out,
and was able to find a close setup already on a vehicle
with some pictures in one of the forums,
and I sent it to him and he said,
yep that's perfect.
So then I used our calculators on the site
to figure out roughly what that guy was running for sizes,
and I was able to then start working
with a couple of the guys here
to find a wheel that's roughly that size,
because you can be off by a few millimeters in offset,
and you can change the width,
but as long as you're using these calculators,
you'll know that you still have the clearance in fitment.
I would not recommend,
if this is the first time
that you've ever heard about this shit,
that you go on the website
and buy yourself a staggered setup
with no help.
Because you'll screw it up,
I promise you will.
So that's shit I never knew.
Stagger Swagger.
Peace.