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NEXT. FROM NEW YORK, I’M CHRIS HAYES.
THERE’S A CONCERTED EFFORT ON
THE PART OF INFLUENTIAL NETWORK
THAT WE ALL CALL TRUMP TV TO
PEDDLE DANGEROUS MISINFORMATION
ABOUT THE CORONAVIRUS.
CALL IT CORONAVIRUS TRUTHERISM.
THE QUESTION AT ISSUE IS ONE
WHOSE ANSWER SHOULD BE OBVIOUS
TO EVERYONE, IS THIS DISEASE
REALLY AS DEADLY AS THE VAST
MAJORITY OF EXPERTS TELL US IT
IS, AS WE’VE ALL SEEN WITH OUR
OWN EYES.
OWN EYES. LAST NIGHT, ONE HOST TOLD HIS
VIEWERS THAT EXPERTS ARE WRONG.
WE SHOULD LIFT THE LOCKDOWNS
BECAUSE IT’S NOT AS DEADLY AS WE
THOUGHT.
THOUGHT. >> JUST TODAY, THE SAN FRANCISCO
BAY AREA ANNOUNCED IT WILL
EXTEND ITS LOCKDOWN TO THE END
OF MAY, FIVE WEEKS FROM NOW.
WHAT IS THE SCIENTIFIC
JUSTIFICATION FOR DOING THAT?
THEY DIDN’T TELL US, BECAUSE
THERE IS NONE.
NONE.
NONE. YOU MAY REMEMBER WHAT THEY FIRST
TOLD US BACK IN FEBRUARY AND
MARCH.
MARCH. THEY SAID WE HAVE TO TAKE
RADICAL STEPS IN ORDER TO
"FLATTEN THE CURVE."
WELL, SIX WEEKS LATER, WE’RE
HAPPY TO SAY THAT CURVE HAS BEEN
FLATTENED, BUT LIKELY NOT
BECAUSE OF THE LOCKDOWN.
THE VIRUS JUST ISN’T AS DEADLY
AS WE THOUGHT IT WAS.
>> NOW, IF YOU WERE THINKING,
WAIT, HOW DID HE THINK THE CURVE
FLATTENED NOT BECAUSE OF THE
LOCKDOWN?
LOCKDOWN? WELL, YOU ARE RIGHT TO ASK THAT
QUESTION.
QUESTION. BUT TUCKER CARLSON BASED HIS
CLAIM, IN PART, FROM TWO
DOCUMENTS FROM BAKERSFIELD,
CALIFORNIA.
CALIFORNIA. THEY SAY THEIR RESEARCH FOUND
THE CORONAVIRUS IS BASICALLY NO
WORSE THAN THE FLU.
PLAY THE SOUND BITE FROM ONE OF
THEM.
THEM. AND HERE THEY ARE LAST NIGHT ON
A DIFFERENT TRUMP TV SHOW.
OF COURSE, MOST PUBLIC HEALTH
EXPERTS HAVE DISMISSED THESE
DOCTOR’S FINDINGS.
DOCTOR’S FINDINGS. ACCORDING TO
ACCORDING TO ACCORDING TO DR. CARL
BERGSTROEM, THEY HAVE USED
METHODS THAT ARE LUDICROUS TO
GET RESULTS THAT ARE IMBECAUSE
IMPLAUSIBLE.
IMPLAUSIBLE. AND THIS --
>> THEIR PERSONAL FINANCIAL INTEREST.
INTEREST. GET THIS, EVEN YOUTUBE TOOK DOWN
A VIDEO INTERVIEW WITH THESE
DOCTORS FOR VIOLATING THEIR
COMMUNITY GUIDELINES.
COMMUNITY GUIDELINES. THE NOTION PEDDLED BY THESE
DOCTORS AND WALLPAPERED ALL OVER
TRUMP TV IS THAT THIS VIRUS IS
NOT AS DEADLY AS WE THOUGHT.
THAT IS SIMPLY NOT BORN OUT BY
THE EVIDENCE.
THE EVIDENCE. MUCH OF THIS NATION HAS BEEN
LOCKED DOWN FOR WEEKS.
AND THE VIRUS HAS STILL KILLED
NEARLY 60,000 AMERICANS, ROUGHLY
AS MANY AS WE LOST IN THE ENTIRE
VIETNAM WAR.
VIETNAM WAR. REMEMBER, THAT IS ALMOST
CERTAINLY AN UNDERCOUNT.
BECAUSE IT IS BASED AT LEAST IN
PART ON CONFIRMED CASES.
"THE WASHINGTON POST" JUST
REPORTED THAT JUST IN THE FIRST
FEW WEEKS OF THE EPIDEMIC ALONE,
THE UNITED STATES RECORDED AN
ESTIMATED 15,400 EXCESS DEATHS,
ATTRIBUTED TO COVID-19 AT THE
TIME.
TIME. IN NEW YORK CITY ALONE, EVEN
WITH THE LOCKDOWN AND THE
STREET EMPTY AND NO ONE IN THE
OFFICE BUILDINGS, THE VIRUS HAS
KILLED AT LEAST ONE OUT OF EVERY
500 PEOPLE IN THE CITY.
THINK ABOUT THAT.
THINK ABOUT WALKING DOWN A
CROWDED NEW YORK CITY STREET HOW
MANY PEOPLE YOU WOULD SEE.
THERE IS A REASON MANY OF THE
EMPLOYEES OF FOX NEWS, WHICH IS
BASED IN NEW YORK, ARE WORKING
FROM HOME RIGHT NOW.
AT LEAST SOMEONE THERE
UNDERSTANDS WHY IT IS IMPORTANT
TO CONTINUE TO KEEP PHYSICAL
DISTANCE.
DISTANCE. NOW, THE QUESTION OF PRECISELY
HOW LONG LOCKDOWN SHOULD LAST IS
A DIFFICULT ONE, AND THERE IS NO
SINGLE BLACK AND WHITE
SCIENTIFIC ANSWER.
SCIENTIFIC ANSWER. BUT AS FOR THE SCIENTIFIC BASIS
FOR LOCKDOWN, WELL, THE SCIENCE
IS LITERALLY THE GERM THEORY OF
DISEASE.
DISEASE. IT IS THE 19th CENTURY THAT,
YES, INFECTIOUS DISEASES ARE
CALLED BY MICROSCOPIC ORGANISMS,
LIKE BACTERIA AND VIRUSES.
AND THAT IS THE SCIENTIFIC BASIS
FOR GREATLY REDUCES
INTERPERSONAL CONTACT.
INTERPERSONAL CONTACT. THE WHOLE POINT OF SHELTER IN
PLACE, YES, IT’S THE MOST BASIC
SCIENCE WE HAVE.
WHAT WE WANT, WHAT WE WANT TO
GET TO, IS THE MORE
SOPHISTICATED SCIENTIFIC
SOPHISTICATED SCIENTIFIC SOLUTION, THE ONES THAT ALLOW US
TO LEAVE OUR HOMES.
THAT’S WHAT WE’RE TRYING TO GET
TO.
TO. THAT IS WHAT ORDINARY, EVERYDAY
WORKING AMERICANS HAVE BOUGHT
THE TIME TO DO WITH THEIR OWN
SACRIFICES.
SACRIFICES. YET, TUCKER CARLSON, WHO HAS
BEEN BROAD CASTING IN SAFE
ISOLATION, IS TELLING YOU IT’S
SAFE TO GO OUT.
THAT’S HIS MESSAGE TO YOU BUS
DRIVERS AND PEOPLE WHO WORK IN
MEAT PROCESSING FACTORIES AND
PROVIDING ELDER CARE IN A SENIOR
HOME OR A CASHIER AT A GROCERY
STORE, THE CABLE NEWS PUNDIT
WANTS YOU TO GET BACK OUT THERE
BECAUSE IT’S NOT THAT DEADLY.
BUT FOR ALL THE THINGS BEING
MOUNTED FROM La JOLLA, MOST
AMERICANS CONTINUE TO BELIEVE
SHELTER IN PLACE IS THE RIGHT
POLICY.
POLICY. IN FACT, MORE THAN THREE IN FOUR
AMERICANS WHO HAVE LOST WORK,
LOST WORK OR LOST PAY FROM THE
VIRUS, STILL SUPPORT STAY AT
HOME MEASURES.
HOME MEASURES. BUT HERE’S THE THING, IF TUCKER
CARLSON THINKS PEOPLE NEED TO
GET BACK OUT THERE, HE CAN HELP.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THEY NEED
PEOPLE IN ASSISTED LIVING
FACILITIES THAT HAVE BEEN
DECIMATED BY THIS.
AND THEY NEED PEOPLE IN MEAT AND
PORK PROCESSING PLANTS, TOO.
THEY’VE LOST A TON OF PEOPLE TO
THIS DISEASE.
THIS DISEASE. GO CHOP UP SOME PORK.
AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS
HORRIBLE PERIOD, THE PRESIDENT,
ALONG WITH HIS LACKEYS AND
PROPAGANDISTS, ALL MINIMIZED
WHAT WAS COMING.
THEY SAID IT WAS LIKE A COLD OR
THE FLU.
THE FLU. >> THE CORONAVIRUS IS THE COMMON
COLD, FOLKS.
COLD, FOLKS. >> IT’S A VIRUS, LIKE THE FLU.
>> FAR MORE DEADLY, LETHAL
THREAT IS NOT THE CORONAVIRUS,
IT’S THE ORDINARY OLD FLU.
>> I’M NOT AFRAID OF THE
CORONAVIRUS, AND NO ONE ELSE
SHOULD BE THAT AFRAID EITHER.
>> THIS IS A FLU.
THIS IS LIKE A FLU.
>> MANY OF THESE SAME PEOPLE
STARTED THEN TAKING THE VIRUS
SERIOUSLY.
SERIOUSLY. YET NOW, AFTER NEARLY 60,000 OF
OUR FELLOW AMERICANS HAVE BEEN
LOST TO THIS VICIOUS VIRUS, THEY
ARE BACK TO WHERE THEY STARTED.
SUGGESTING IT’S NOT THAT
DANGEROUS.
DANGEROUS. AND LOOK, WE ALL WISH THIS
WASN’T AS BAD AS IT IS.
IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF WE
COULD JUST HAVE EVERYONE GO BACK
TO WORK AND TO SCHOOL AND NOT
SEE A SPIKE IN INFECTIONS.
GOD, I WISH THAT WERE THE CASE.
BUT THAT’S JUST NOT HOW THIS
APPEARS TO WORK.
I MEAN, LOOK, WE’RE ALWAYS
LEARNING.
LEARNING. AND MAYBE WE’LL DISCOVER NEW
TECHNIQUES THAT WORK.
I’M MORE THAN OPEN ABOUT THE
BETH
BETH BEST ACTION IN TERMS OF THE
POLICY FORWARD.
POLICY FORWARD. BUT THOSE WE HAVE LOST TO IT ARE
GONE FOREVER.
GONE FOREVER. THE TIDAL WAVE OF GRIEF AND
TRAUMA HAS BEEN UNLEASHED UPON
THIS NATION IN LARGE PART
BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT AND HIS
ENABLERS WOULD NOT LISTEN.