- [Dave] More or less like an in-home consol
that you don't have to pay the whole in-home fee for,
and the cool thing about it,
is you get to benefit from watching everybody's interactions
and therefore everybody's mistakes.
It's easier to see
when you're watching somebody else mess up than yourself.
And so, we can use this constructively to just say,
if Jamie and I do this all the time with each other,
it's like I'll catch her
doing something wrong and vice versa.
And so this is a really good environment to do that.
It's a relatively safe environment until it goes on YouTube.
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What's the problem you guys are having?
- I wouldn't say we're having much of a problem.
We're just looking for good guidance
to go in the right direction.
We live on a sail boat,
and we've been, for the first year,
we've had her wings clipped.
Because when we bought her at the store,
they highly suggested it,
and then we went on a month-long camping trip.
And so, we kept her clipped for the camping trip.
And then, we came back from the camping trip,
I didn't really wanna clip her anymore. (laughing)
And so, we've been flying around in the boat.
Not a lot of space in the boat.
She's kind of maximized the space
she can fly in our boat now.
And so, we're taking her to a batting cage near by,
just so she can get some exercise.
And, we used to take her everywhere
that we would go when she was clipped.
And now, we're a little bit afraid to take her out
because we're afraid of something scarying her.
We're not really thinking she's gonna try to fly away
from us for the sake of getting away from us,
'cause she doesn't show any signs of that.
But you know, a skateboard goes by, a horn honks from a car,
power boat goes by, jetski comes by,
you know those are the kind of things we're afraid of.
And, right now we're on a boat and we're on a dock.
So, we can have the boat closed up.
But, when we go out to go sailing,
really you kinda have the boat open a lot,
and going outside, we want to have her in the cockpit.
We kind of thought of ways we can like net the cockpit
so that she can be outside but not fly away
but not have to be monitored necessarily
and restrained 'cause she hates the harness.
We've tried the harness with her,
and she's not very happy with it.
We toying with, do we try to keep going
on the harness with her?
Do we put a GPS on her?
Figured we'd talk to you guys!
We do the target training.
We taught her to go poop
and flying back and forth between us.
So, that's pretty much it.
She basically has pellets all the time.
She was on a seed diet for a long time.
- That's what they they were feeding to her.
- Yeah, that's what they got her straight out of
from the store at and they really were more adamant on,
the seeds rather than pellets.
Kind of wanted to know
what we should do next with recalling?
- [Dave] I'd love to see what your recalls look like.
- Okay, all right.
Okay.
She's watching you guys.
So I'm gonna come on this side
'cause I think she wants to look this direction.
Come here, baby!
- [Dave] Nice, or we can move to the other side.
- [Jamie] That was a good read though.
- Come on baby!
All right!
- [Steven] And, the velcro stages definitely
started at home.
She's got a big place stand
and if she can fly to us, she will.
Unless she's got food or something that she's into.
- [Jamie] Yeah.
- Good girl, okay.
Do we want to try to go a little further.
Are you going to be comfortable over here?
Come on baby!
- [Jamie] She's like, "How about a spin instead?"
- I know you want to, but it's a little far.
Come on, up!
Good girl!
- Good girl!
Good girl!
- So what you want her automatic fear response to be
is for her to fly to you for safety.
Right?
If I'm here, but right as he takes flight,
you're gonna duck around the corner just a little bit.
And he has to learn object permanent.
- [Jamie] Yeah, I think the biggest thing
for you guys is desensitization
and like Dave said, like increasing the difficulty.
- Because I mentioned it, I wanna bring it up again.
We talked about FR1, FR2, FR3.
- Come on girl?
- So, again that stands for frequency of reinforcement.
One, which is what that was.
One trick, it's one click, it's one treat.
Frequency Reinforcement Two, or FR2, is she does one flight,
it's a click, does the second flight,
gets a click and then the treat.
So, the treat is delivered after two behaviors.
It could be a flight and then a wave.
It could be a wave and a spin,
but it's two tricks for one treat.
And then FR3 of course would be three tricks for one treat.
What we wanna be cautious of,
is make sure everybody's on the same page,
that you would only handle that FR2 or three,
after the bird knows the behavior well.
So, you don't want to be training the wave
and only reinforcing every third one,
because it's gonna frutrate the bird.
The reason you would use those, FR2 or three,
is to get a stronger response
to a series of tricks the bird already knows.
So, we might get the chance to show with Caleece
but I'm not 100% sure if we'll have the chance
to show it today but I wanna be clear.
So, don't implement FR2 and three yet.
That would be something
where it's important to have a little bit more coaching
for it so the bird doesn't get frustrated.
Maybe let her hang for 30 seconds
and then go to put her away.
The reason we don't put her right away is
that if she percieves going in the carrier as punishment,
we don't wanna punish her for flying.
- I think we wanna practice more distance
and descending has been something definitely
we're already working on.
- [Woman] Cool.
- Desensitizing is it.
- Yeah, yeah.
- [Jamie] Huge priority there
and you don't need a lot of space to do that.
Like it can be random stuff.
- [Dave] So we call it noun experience.
What is a noun?
It's a person, place, or thing.
So, introduce a new person, place, or thing
each and every day
and that will really help him just maintain
and continue to be more and more desensitized.