Star Trek Strange New World season 2 episode 3 finally confirmed what many Star Trek fans
have suspected for some time Star Trek has three timelines there is of course the original timeline
introduced during the Original Series in 1966 with William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy as Captain Kirk
and Mr Spock then we have the Kelvin timeline created by the J.J Abrams Star Trek 2009 movies
with Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto as Kirk and Spock and finally we have the new timeline which
we first saw in Star Trek Discovery in 2017 where Paul Wesley and Ethan Peck play Kirk and Spock
now surprise surprise there is some controversy surrounding the new timeline but we'll show you
the evidence is overwhelming and irrefutable I need more information why did these events take
place who is responsible and more importantly is it a good or bad thing for Star Trek the answers
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clear is that no matter what Star Trek shows or movies you love there is no judgment here we all
like what we like just like the divisive Enterprise theme song love it or hate it
it's okay taste is a first person activity but now we're cancel they can kiss my ass
they can go to hell they should have made me Captain anyhow we'll be in the cat suit as well
and yes you aren't crazy that was Dominic Keating singing his version of the Enterprise theme song
but while taste is subjective the rules of the Star Trek universe are not and those rules are
pretty simple whether we always like them or not the main one is that whatever happens in a
Star Trek show or movie that was created by the IP holder is Canon come on it's Canon sometimes
it makes us cheer and sometimes it makes us cry but regardless that's the rule whether it was our
joy that Star Trek 2 the Wrath of Khan cements Kirk and Spock's platonic love for each other in
that moment where Kirk sees Spock's empty seat and runs to engineering suspecting the sacrifice his
friend just made or our dismay that Spock had an adopted older human sister who committed Mutiny on
a federation Starship and caused the Klingon War yeah that one's still tough and I didn't
really like it but regardless these are things that happened on screen and were sanctioned by
the owners of Star Trek therefore it's Canon what you can't do is radically change something in Star
Trek's history and then wave a magic wand and say it didn't change anything I mean a Romulan
mining vessel went back in time and destroyed the USS Kelvin during the birth of Captain Kirk and
it created a whole new timeline surely romulan's subverting Humanities development in the late 20th
and early 21st centuries along with moving the birth of Khan the Eugenics Wars and World War III
more than 50 years into the future easily created an alternate timeline but we are getting a little
ahead of ourselves today we'll be talking about three official timelines but there is evidence
of a fourth timeline created when the Borg went to Earth during the events of Star Trek first Contact
if you want to know more about that check out our Star Trek secret reboot video right after this
one it must have done it in the past they went back and assimilated Earth Changed History the
original timeline kept churning out new shows from more than 40 years the original series The Next
Generation Deep Space Nine Voyager and Enterprise as we'll show you we bounced around timelines for
a bit and then came back to the original timelines for the events of Star Trek Picard I'm reluctant
to ask you all to face this threats again so Luke wherever you go we go Picard takes place after the
introduction of the Kelvin timeline and actually provides more information on the catastrophic
event that started the alternate timeline in the first place there are no words to describe the
calamitous scale of that change so why did JJ Abrams break the mold and
decide to reboot Star Trek and how did that choice end up hurting the original timeline
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2009 reboot if you ask one of the writers Robert orsi if it's a reboot he'll tell you it absolutely
is not he said he and fellow writer Alex kurtzman never once considered a clean slate yes that is
the Alex kurtzman currently in charge of Star Trek now it isn't a coincidence if I were ever to do
this again I need to have a brand new reason to do it and I want to defy people's expectations they
see the 2009 movie as a sequel because the movie starts in the original universe that does decision
would have further ramifications on the original timeline moving forward as we'll see which is
ironic because Orsi's story being connected to the original Universe was to provide an entry
for longtime fans later that change would also change the tone of Star Trek during the events
of Picard JJ Abrams and his team allowed original timeline Spock to create a black hole using red
matter to absorb the Romulan Sun going Supernova I was on Route when the unthinkable happened
the Supernova destroyed Romulus that black hole was the entry into JJ's new timeline the thing
Abrams didn't consider is the ramifications that Supernova would have in the timeline he was taking
us out of while the Kelvin timeline was exploring a variant TOS Enterprise team the aftermath of the
Supernova became the legacy of Jean-Luc Picard in Picard season 1 where the Federation was the bad
guy and a dark dystopia had infiltrated the original timeline in all fairness Star Trek
Discovery had already delivered tonally different Star Trek where the future was Bleak so perhaps
Picard was following Star Trek head Alex kurtzman vision for the future a traitor slaughtered the
Klingon infant but we didn't know at the time that Star Trek Discovery was actually in a totally
different timeline than Star Trek Picard we're calling this the new timeline in fact no one knew
it was in a different timeline until the second season of strange new worlds they're not supposed
to develop that technology for at least 100 years kind of Technology of time traveling assassin's
this new timeline includes Discovery strange new worlds and lower decks as all three of these shows
have been tied together as we explained earlier the events that branched this timeline off from
the original actually occurred somewhere around 1992. although we haven't seen them it's likely
that more than one timeline was branched off thanks to time cops and romulans who can't seem
to stop screwing with time as we've seen during Strange New World season 2 episode 3. in that
episode titled Tomorrow tomorrow and tomorrow La on nunyan Singh finds herself traveling back in
time with Wesley's Captain Kirk to stop someone from changing the Strange New World's timeline
because she is a descendant of Khan Union Singh la'an is chosen by the 29th Century Department of
temporal investigations to make things right this will turn out to not make much sense considering
the larger implications of what happened Leon and Kirk are Zapped to Toronto in 2022 home of one
Khan noonian Singh and if some of that sounds odd the strangest thing is that in this time timeline
Khan is about eight years old that's right the con we know from the original series episode space
seed and Star Trek 2 the Wrath of Khan came to power as a full-grown man in 1992. Khan's
birth year in Canon is 1959. during the events of strange new worlds he would have been born around
2014. that means Khan's birth and all the events surrounding Earth have been moved forward 50
to 55 years if the destruction of the USS Kelvin creates a branch timeline then surely moving Earth
forward 50 years around the events of Khan the Eugenics Wars and World War III will also create
a branch timeline well yeah of course dummy the reason why we find out is because romulans from
the 21st century have been slowing human progress for years and a Romulan from the future has been
trying to kill Khan for 30 years but apparently tons of people have been trying to influence the
events of Khan and the Eugenics Wars they've tried to delay them or stop them and even hold temporal
Wars have have been fought over the events of the 1990s and the Eugenics Wars the explanation
for the time change seems to be the result of time pushing back according to the female Romulan from
the future trying to kill Khan and all this was supposed to happen but back in 1992 and I've been
trapped here for 30 years and if this is the case and time is pushing back that means she's tried to
change the timeline many many many times just like in Stephen King's 11 22 63 novel where the main
character keeps going back in time to save JFK from being assassinated but time itself is trying
to stop him that is so trippy this is a totally New Concept for Star Trek but surely all these
time Shenanigans have also caused other ripples in time this means more alternate timelines we
haven't even seen yet well as we mentioned before this is where some of the controversy is taking
place even though as we've shown you smaller events have created Branch timelines Strange
New World showrunner Akiva goldsmen is insisting that the timeline hasn't changed despite moving
chordates and events in Star Trek history his reason for doing this was because if he didn't
Star Trek would cease to exist in our actual future he explained that he wants Star Trek
to be an aspirational future he wants Humanity to be able to dream their way into the Federation as
a Starfleet and in order to do that he needed to push the dates forward besides the fact that Star
Trek is not our actual future the whole idea that you can change the history of Earth in the past
and not have it impact the future is ridiculous your fellas have a lot of growing up to do I'll
tell you that ridiculous completely ridiculous and it's Troublesome that goldsmen and whoever
helped to make this decision doesn't think we're intelligent enough to be inspired by Star Trek
if it's not in our actual future and I don't know if goldsman realizes it or not but he has broken
logic how can Khan meet Kirk at a specific place in time in 2267 if he left decades later based on
this new timeline Khan won't take power until the 2040s World War III won't happen until the 2070s
and when USS Botany Bay arrives at its future coordinates to be woken up in 2297 Kirk won't
be there because 2297 is four years after Kirk is thought dead and disappeared into the Nexus wrap
your head around that and tell me there isn't a new timeline and oh yeah no more Wrath of Khan no
so regardless of whether goldsmen wants to embrace it or not the rules of Canon apply if
you put it on screen it counts and this move created a whole new timeline and honestly it
would be better for goldsmen to embrace it and this would help explain all of the differences
we've seen the ships are way larger than in the original timeline check out the discovery and
Strange New World's interiors and tell us we are on the same ships as the original timeline Kirk
was supposed to be the first Starfleet person to meet a Gorn it's very clear in the arena
episode during TOS Scotty Uhura and Spock are all there with Kirk and they have never heard
of a Gorn either how about a Klingon War during discovery that TOS never mentions
hostilities yes perhaps even the start of a war but no war in the past and definitely not
one that a Starfleet officer started because of mutiny Spock knows all about the Mirror Universe
during Discovery but it's foreign to him in TOS Kirk upon hearing Khan's name doesn't say oh yes
LA on of course you have emotional Spock Spock sister Pike seeing his future future emotional
Spock dancing and singing Spock a Praying no one is supposed to know emotional Spock yeah you can
see some of these things have stayed with us no God please no the fact that there is three Star
Trek timelines isn't necessarily a bad thing now when something happens that doesn't line
up with the original timeline we can say oh that's right new timeline and while there will be Legacy
fans that don't want to watch new Star Trek even though it is a branch timeline Paramount would
be surprised by how many fans would stop arguing and just accept it for what it is Star Trek Wars
and the new timeline doesn't mean the original timeline is dead stories can still be told in
a new Star Trek Legacy show by Terry matalis yes we're going to will this into existence Paramount
let's put aside Starfleet Academy and make a show following the events of Picard season 3 that most
fans will be excited about oh God yes absolutely but what do you think is Star Trek better having
this third timeline or does it all have to work in the original timeline would you like new Star Trek
or knowing it's in an alternate timeline let's talk about it in the comments below
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