JEFF: FOR MOST PEOPLE, TALES OF
EXORCISMS ARE NOTHING MORE THAN
SCARY STORIES THAT KEEP YOU UP
AT NIGHT.
BUT FOR SOME, EXORCISMS ARE A
DESPERATE CRY FOR HELP, TO PURGE
SOMETHING HAVING A VERY REAL
EFFECT ON THEIR LIVES.
EMILY BURRIS TALKED WITH AN
OREGON MAN WHO'S PERFORMED
HUNDREDS OF EXORCISMS, AND SHE
SAT IN ONE HERSELF.
EMILY: YOU HAVE SEEN THE BLOOD
CHILLING EXORCISMS PORTRAYED IN
MOVIES, AND HAIR-RAISING TV
BATTLES OF GOOD AND EVIL.
EVEN WITHOUT THE MOVIE MAGIC --
A REAL-LIFE EXORCISM CAN FEEL
JUST AS INTENSE.
COMMAND THE IMPURE SPIRITS.
AND DEMONS TO DEPART.
EMILY: FOR ARCHBISHOP JAMES
CLOUD, IT'S BEEN HIS BATTLE FOR
NEARLY HIS WHOLE LIFE.
IT WAS PRETTY MUCH THRUST ON
ME.
EMILY: CLOUD GREW UP LEARNING
DELIVERANCE PRAYERS FROM HIS
FATHER.
HE BEGAN HIS MINISTRY WITH THE
ANGLICAN CHURCH, BUT WAS KICKED
OUT FOR PERFORMING EXORCISMS.
NOW A LEADER IN THE ADVENT
CATHOLIC CHURCH, AN INDEPENDENT
GROUP THAT DOESN'T ANSWER TO THE
VATICAN, CLOUD MAKES HOUSE
CALLS, TOOLBOX AND CIGAR IN
HAND.
THIS TIME, WE'RE IN GOLDEN, AN
OLD MINING TOWN NEAR GRANTS
PASS, RUMORED TO BE QUITE
HAUNTED.
CLOUD SAYS HE HOLDS TRAINING
CLASSES HERE.
THROUGHOUT THE SCRIPTURES, WE
SEE EXAMPLES OF ANGELS
INTERACTING ON EARTH, DEVILS AND
SATAN HIMSELF INTERACTING ON
EARTH.
EMILY: BUT THE ARCHBISHOP MERGES
SCRIPTURE WITH MODERN-DAY
MEDICINE.
AS AN ACCREDITED MENTAL HEALTH
COUNSELOR, CLOUD SPECIALIZES IN
SUBSTANCE ABUSE TREATMENT AND
RECOVERY.
IT'S A SKILL HE SAYS HELPS IN
RECOGNIZING DEMONIC POSSESSION.
I HAVE TO DIG --
DIFFERENTIATE.
IS THIS SUBSTANCE USE?
IS IT MENTAL HEALTH?
OR IS THIS A LEGITIMATE ISSUE
THAT'S GOING ON?
IF I CAN RULE OUT THE FIRST TWO,
WHAT I AM LEFT WITH IS SOMETHING
POTENTIALLY LEGITIMATE.
EMILY: WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO
PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT THIS IS NOT
REAL?
IF I HADN'T SEEN HALF THE
STUFF I HAVE SEEN IN LIFE, I
WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT, EITHER.
UNTIL IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS.
EMILY: CLOUD SAYS MUCH LIKE
MENTAL HEALTH DISORDERS, THOSE
WHO TRULY BELIEVE THEY'RE
SUFFERING FROM POSESSION ALSO
FACE STIGMA.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE
YOU.
I DIDN'T THINK ANY OF THIS
EXISTED PRIOR.
EMILY: BRENT GOODRICH REACHED
OUT TO THE ARCHBISHOP FOR HELP
AFTER WHAT HE SAYS HAVE BEEN TWO
YEARS OF TORMENT BY SEVERAL
DEMONS THAT HAVE ATTACHED TO
HIM.
THEY ARE CONSTANTLY MAKING
NOISE.
CONSTANTLY.
THE ONES AROUND ME JUST HISS,
HISS AT ME.
EMILY: HE WANTED TO SHARE HIS
STORY, AND HIS VERY REAL
ANGUISH.
WHAT I SEE IS THE TRUTH, I
HOPE PEOPLE WILL FIND THE SAME
TRUTH IN THAT.
I WISH I HAD FOUND IT ANOTHER
WAY.
THAT IS WHO YOU TURN TO.
I WAS NOT AS RELIGIOUS BEFORE
THIS.
EMILY: PERCHED ON AN OLD WOODEN
PEW IN A GHOST TOWN CHURCH, HE
PRAYS ARCHBISHOP CLOUD'S
COMMANDS WILL BE ABLE TO HELP.
LORD GOD, I JUST ASK THAT YOU
PROTECT US WITH YOUR HOLY
SPIRIT.
EMILY: A PRAYER OF PROTECTION,
AND WE BEGIN.
WE ASK THE SAINTS, THE
MARTYRS, THE APOSTLES TO
INTERCEDE FOR US RIGHT NOW, AS
WE GO INTO BATTLE.
IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, THE
SON.
LOOSE HIS EAR IN THE NAME OF
JESUS CHRIST.
HANDS OFF.
THEY'RE JUMPING FROM ONE SIDE
TO THE OTHER AND THEY'RE TRYING
TO HISS TO GET BACK IN.
IN NAME OF JESUS, YOU WILL
LEAVE HIM IN PEACE.
[SPEAKING IN TONGUES]
YOU HAVE NO POWER OR DOMINION
OVER THIS MAN.
THEY USUALLY DON'T LEAVE WITHOUT
MAKING SOME RUCKUS.
EMILY: AFTER ABOUT HALF AN HOUR
OF PRAYER, AND HOLY OIL, BRENT'S
EYES BEGING TO OPEN A LITTLE
WIDER, HIS VOICE GROWS A LITTLE
STRONGER.
I HEARD A CRACK, KIND OF,
IT
WAS ALMOST LIKE A VIBRATION,
LIKE A SHAKING OVER HERE.
IT CRACKED, AND IT SLID OFF.
RUNNING, FROM HIM.
WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
FIGHTING, YELLING, NOT WANTING
TO OBEY.
EMILY: CLOUD SAYS THE DEMONS ARE
DISTANT, BUT NOT GONE.
HE SAYS PEOPLE WHO MANAGE TO
SHAKE AN ATTACHMENT MUST MOVE
FORWARD ON A HOLY PATH.
STANDING YOUR GROUND.
STANDING FIRM.
REALLY HONING YOUR SPIRITUAL
LIFE.
EMILY: SOMETHING NOT EASY IN
TODAY'S CULTURE.
HE SAYS DRUGS, OUIJA BOARDS, AND
A WHOLE HOST OF DARK MATERIALS
ON THE INTERNET CAN OPEN YOU UP
TO DARK SPIRITS.
AS THE YEARS GO BY, THE CASES
ARE GETTING DARKER.
EMILY: AND HE SAYS THAT IN MANY
CASES HE'S FACED HARDER BATTLES
THAN BRENT'S DEMONS.
BUT HE WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT.
EXORCISTS GET SCARED,
DEFINITELY.
BUT IT JUST MAKES ME MAD.
AND WHEN I GET MAD, THEN I
REALLY BUCKLE DOWN AND I REALLY
WORK TO GET IT OUT.
EMILY: AGAINST SKEPTICISM, THE
UNEXPLAINED, AND PERHAPS, TRUE
EVIL.
ANOTHER DAY AT THE OFFICE.
[LAUGHTER]
JEFF:
ONCE AGAIN CLOUD IS AN
, ARCHBISHOP IN THE ADVENT
CATHOLIC CHURCH, AN INDEPENDENT
GROUP THAT IS NOT ASSOCIATED
WITH THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH
AND DOES NOT ANSWER TO THE
VATICAN.
IF YOU WANT TO SEE MORE OF HIS
WORK AND VIDEOS FROM HIS
INVESTIGATION, YOU CAN GO TO
KOIN.COM.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE WEATHER
RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU DIDN'T THINK THAT FALL