senate majority leader harry reid announced over the weekend of the senate
would indeed all votes to pass immigration reform known as the dream
intact its ability grant permanent u_s_ residency to not native children of
illegal immigrants if they attend the university for two years or analyst in
the military service
for at least two years
although they passed the house
in the senate it's a virtual non-starter there republicans and moderate democrats
are already lining up to shoot legislation dot
forcing immigrants and that in our country for decades
to continue living in the shadows this despite the fact that the congressional
budget office released a report
saying that the dream act
would actually reduce our deficit
by one-and-a-half billion dollars over the next ten years it also increase
revenue but more than two billion dollars
in a recent poll sixty six percent of americans that they supported passage
of the dream act
the white house is also offering up to support for the legislation
a conference call with reporters white house director if you're going to
governmental affairs cilia munoz
claim the administration's working very hard to ensure the bill passes
so what's holding it up
this really a good start for immigration reform
to take on this question former congressman tom tancredo joins me via
skype from colorado carson welcome to our program
ought to be reviewed
you say the dream act is just amnesty for millions shouldn't congress instead
pass comprehensive immigration reform now so the people who come out of
shadows
allemaal gore comprehensive immigration reform
just not the kind you at the back
that you want to find out the way you would if i did have a very
aside because mph immigration reform to may simply means
really and truly for a first-time in a long long time
enforcing the law
and passing something called the verified mandating it on every employer
in the united states of america making sure
that every employee has a valid social security number that is epithets
immigration reform not amnesty a congressman aspin the law for fifty
years or more
arguably a hundred years or more and bug that made mediation
knowing it has been a line and then reagan started fixing that law in
nineteen eighty six
after he gave amistad five or six million people
in nineteen eighty three billion you brought it in eighteen eighty six that's
right because
one of the business takes president reagan ever made was signing an amnesty
into effect at that time and instead of doing what everybody promised them
thought proposed and that is
uh... you know that it would reduce it be a legal immigration that we would go
after employers who were hiring people who are here illegally that mexico would
work with us to try to reduce illegal immigration was none of that happen all
it did was exactly what you would expect it to do increase the number of people
coming into the you know this was this was reagan's gift to his is agricultural
california cultural supporters
maidan governor and help getting into it into the white house
out but you know this this idea that's we've got a round up these people and
always comes at me
often don't don't you think that if the current law were simply enforced and
some employers
some of these millionaire and billionaire fact cats were getting rich
because they'd they've got people who are working who are free to complain
about the fact that they're being
underpaid er or working unless conditions
if some of those employers had to take a purple oc and go to jail they would stop
employees folks need seen exodus to mexico we don't need your bosses
got quite a while and i had never even suggested that never in my
career advice suggested that what we had to do is will run dot
all the people who are here illegally what we have to isn't force along which
is not now on the books
that what you see there are five you know they say it but we don't want you
don't even really verified
you don't even need the verify me right now there's a law that says that you
can't hire somebody unless they're
i went through this back in the nineteen eighties i think i was running an ad
agency in atlanta and when i needed somebody who could speak english
japanese in spanish disney require publishing up a newsletter and all three
languages
ran an ad for it
got a kid i kid who was born in japan
grew up in in lima peru
movie rises to go to college was flown all three languages and a great in in in
commercial art
he was exactly what we need it and i had to go through four months of song and
dance with the i_n_s_ to should prove to them that i couldn't find an american
who could do that job i mean that we used to a friend this was
this was early on in the reagan administration reagan comes along and
justice
you know we're not going to force these laws anymore and we have a sense that i
can't find i would throw it
got good well i'm glad yet you understand the problem is enforcement
not and that we should not be doing anything like a dream act that would
only encourage more people to come here illegally and by the way dream act has
little if anything to do
with education if you look the way it's written
you'll find it is truly an amnesty is it's an amnesty not just for the people
who apply
not just a bit however many millions of people by the way not just kids
sixteen to thirty four years old
you can apply to a junior college
in the process you become a amnesty and then once you get that status
you can
ben bradlee all of your family in because of what we call
family unification alice alice dot that's what will you know it has a
chance for most obvious departments i know it's not like my advice is don't
lie just beginning at seven
and then it would love to get her family over here and it's going to be a multi
it's going to be a multi jacking process should anything like that happen
but you say you're concerned about people abusing the system analyst i
think
what about the fact that ever since eighty six we can basically encouraging
people to do this
and dream act were only apply to their children of people
who are here
and loved children l who basically grew up speaking english and think of
themselves as americans
remember thirty four-year-old children will be able to book anybody who can
fraudulently prepare any sort of document will come in and pretend that
they in fact are a law that's going to happen we have anything to do
though there's no way around
if you're not getting out of stock fraud a hundred percent
though you know you're not but why should you do anything to get in
courageous
and entices people to come here illegally white why don't you do what
you said what it is simply enforce the law or even make it more difficult to be
well i'm entirely in favor of that but here's we've had we've had two
republican into democratic administrations in the intervening years
and neither of them have come close to that so if we're going to have people
here in the in the shadows don't we at the very least
shouldn't we as just
as human beings as fellow human beings
offer them health care and education
well then why in the world anybody come the right way
why would anybody go through the brain-damaged begin incredible time
limits all the expands to come here at the right way if in fact what you're
going to do is provide the same benefits to people
not done at the right way it is a slap in the basic every single persons that
are coming to this country jp
brings us who was present which brings us back to the area where united
congressman ten career work type i think you and i agree that we need to enforce
the laws that we had
absolutely clarinetist i'm with the other is that ok thank you congressman
for coming on tonight
in my opinion there's more here than most people are noticing
and more than tom tancredo stuck
dream act will give amnesty to collect aliens who join the military
thomas jefferson
famously said
actually let me get a quote right i've got it on the board hearings
but augusta don't have it
cut the pork he said
i hope it never to see my country so bereft of prosperity nor bankrupt
honored that its young men will volunteer to be shot at
for six points
that's the bottom line with multiple deployment we get we've got mobile
deployments right now we're we've we're sending kids over and over and over
again
into the military battlefield
and we have created
the kind of environment
the jefferson worried about
this is why jefferson wanted there to be a draftee wondered there and they have
recent goal mail between the ages of seventeen forty seven to be required to
have some military service experience
and to have malicious at the local and state level and no standing army during
time of peace
so that there would be no military industrial complex
and so we wouldn't have young men
will you be shot at for a six pounds
but now that what the dream act does isa says you know if you join the military
will give you citizenship
so the pressure
to end wars
which comes from people be horrified by the children being killed
or a draft
goes away
because now you've got a bunch of people who would be easier to become u_s_
citizens by joining the military
is cannon fire
this is a cannon fodder wv and do what we have is you can't
businesses of the road and it comes to the military sausage factory we can have
wars without a draft which means you can have wars without the sand
which means profits for the military industrial complex
we talked yesterday about that about dwight eisenhower's comments on that
this is not about immigration at all to the point
in my mind
it's about money
it's about who's going to make how much money off the military
and how to get people how to get kids into the system so that they can be
cannon fodder for the next war
immigration reform if we're going to do it
should be honest and comprehensive bring people out of the shadows provide at the
citizenship for the people who are here
make the msd begin at the end of the lines are all the classic stuff the
president obama has been talked about let's do that and do it right
but this dream act in my in my opinion
is simply a gift a hand-off to the military industrial complex not
something that we want