FOR UNMASKING.
MARIA: JOINING ME RIGHT NOW IS
FORMER TRUMP DEPUTY NATIONAL
SECURITY ADVISOR, SHE IS AUTHOR
OF THE BOOK, REVOLUTION, TRUMP,
WASHINGTON AND WE THE PEOPLE.
KT McFARLAND IS HERE.
KT, GREAT TO HAVE YOU.
THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.
>> THANK YOU.
MARIA: YEAH, I MEAN, IT’S GREAT
TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT SOMETHING
THAT YOU LIVED AND YOU KNOW, NOW
PEOPLE ARE SEEING WHAT HAS BEEN
REVEALED WITH THAT DOCUMENT DUMP
OF THE LAST WEEK AND WE KNOW
THAT THEY NEVER HAD ANY EVIDENCE
OF COLLUSION TO BEGIN WITH, KT.
SO HOW WERE THEY SO EFFECTIVE IN
GETTING THE ENTIRE COUNTRY UP IN
ARMS THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS
SOME KIND OF RUSSIAN ASSET.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I
POO-POOED AND WENT WILD ABOUT
VERY EARLY IN THIS WHOLE
NARRATIVE BECAUSE IT WAS SO
CLEAR TO ME THAT IT WAS MADE UP.
>> YOU KNOW, MARIA, YOU WERE
ACTUALLY ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE
AND ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE TO
CALL THIS OUT FOR WHAT IT WAS,
WHICH WAS JUST SAY SHAM.
IT WAS A SCAM.
THE SENIOR INTELLIGENCE
OFFICIALS OF THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION AND SENIOR
OFFICIALS OF THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION THEY KNEW THERE
WAS NOTHING THERE BUT AT THE
SAME TIME AS THEIR INTELLIGENCE
CHIEFS WERE GOING TO THE
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE SAYING
THERE’S NO COLLUSION, NO
COLLABORATION, THE RUSSIANS
DIDN’T THROW THE ELECTION TO
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND YET AT THE
SAME TIME THEY WERE GOING OUT
PUBLICLY AND SAYING OH, TRUMP IS
A RUSSIAN ASSET OR TRUMP WOULD
HAVE NEVER WON THE ELECTION IF
IT WEREN’T FOR RUSSIA’S
INTERFERENCE NOW WE FIND OUT AS
MORE DOCUMENTS ARE RELEASED AND
THEY ARE GOING TO SHOW AN AWFUL
LOT OFFED CIRCUMSTANCES, FISHY
STUFF LIKE HANDWRITTEN NOTES OF
OFFICIALS, THE WHOLE UNMASKING
THING.
I MEAN, THERE’S A LOT OF VERY
FISHY STUFF IN THE UNMASKING.
ALL THE NAMES OF PEOPLE WHO WERE
ON THOSE FORMS AND SEVERAL HAVE
COME FORWARD AND SAID, WELL,
THEY DIDN’T PUT THEIR NAMES ON
THOSE FORMS.
SO WHO DID?
WHO WAS ORCHESTRATING THIS?
I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY COMING
FROM THE WEST WING ITSELF AND
WITH TIME THIS WILL BE UNCOVERED
AND IT WILL BE FOUND OUT AND
PARTICULARLY AS PEOPLE START
TALKING ABOUT THEIR BOSSES.
MARIA: AND THE POINT THAT I
TRIED TO MAKE FOR SO MANY YEARS
IS THAT IF IT’S SO EASY FOR THE
LEADERSHIP AT THE FBI AND THE
LEADERSHIP AT THE CIA TO
COMPLETELY UNDO SOMEBODY’S
RELATIONSHIP, TO COMPLETELY
TRASH SOMEBODY WHO HAS DONE THE
COUNTRY A SERVICE THROUGH THE
MEDIA, THEN WHAT DOES THAT MEAN
FOR YOU AND ME?
I MEAN, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR
ANY REGULAR PERSON WHO DOESN’T
HAVE THIS KIND OF ACCESS.
YOU’RE DEAD IN THE WATER IF THEY
WANT YOU TO BE.
IN FACT, I INTERVIEWED PRESIDENT
TRUMP LAST WEEK, KT, AND YOUR
NAME CAME UP DURING OUR
INTERVIEW ABOUT THE FLYNN CASE.
LISTEN TO WHAT THE PRESIDENT
SAID ABOUT YOU.
WATCH.
>> I WATCHED KT McFARLAND THE
OTHER DAY.
I WATCHED WHERE SHE WAS KNOCK,
KNOCK, FBI, YOU KNOW, THE FBI,
OKAY.
THIS WAS ALL OBAMA.
THIS WAS ALL BIDEN.
THESE PEOPLE WERE CORRUPT, THE
WHOLE THING WAS CORRUPT AND WE
CAUGHT THEM.
WE CAUGHT THEM.
WHAT YOU SAW JUST NOW, I WATCHED
BIDEN YESTERDAY, COULD BARELY
SPEAK.
HE WAS ON GOOD MORNING AMERICA,
RIGHT.
AND HE SAID HE DIDN’T KNOW
ANYTHING ABOUT IT AND NOW IT
JUST GETS RELEASED RIGHT AFTER
HE SAID THAT, IT GETS RELEASED
THAT HE WAS ONE OF THE
UNMASKERS, MEANING HE KNEW
EVERYTHING ABOUT IT SO HE LIED
TO YOUR FRIEND GEORGE
STEPHANOPOULOS.
MARIA: SO KT, THE PRESIDENT
REACTED TO THE UNMASKING LIFT AS
SOON AS WE WERE ABOUT TO SIT
DOWN AND WE BOTH GOT THE LIST.
IT WAS LIKE IMMEDIATE LIVE
REACTION.
WHAT HE SAID ABOUT YOU, KNOCK,
KNOCK, FBI, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT
HAPPENED, KT?
WHAT DID HE MEAN BY THAT?
>> IT WAS KNOCK, KNOCK, FBI.
THEY SHOWED UP AT MY HOUSE,
KNOCK, KNOCK, IT’S THE FBI, CAN
WE COME IN.
WE WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE
INVESTIGATION, WE WANT TO FIND
OUT FROM YOU WHAT HAPPENED
DURING THE CAMPAIGN.
WE WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT
HAPPENED DURING THE CAMPAIGN.
I SAID I WASN’T WITH THE
CAMPAIGN.
THEY SAID WE WANT TO GET SOME
SENSE OF WHAT WENT ON.
AND THEN I ASKED THEM, MARIA, DO
I NEED A LAWYER, AM I UNDER SOME
KIND OF INVESTIGATION?
AND I SAID OH, NO, YOU’RE NOT
UNDER AN INVESTIGATION.
YOU’RE A FACT WITNESS.
WE CAN’T TELL YOU NOT TO GET A
LAWYER.
BUT WE’RE HERE -- WE’RE ALREADY
HERE, WE’VE COME ALL THE WAY
FROM WASHINGTON, LET US ASK YOU
A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
THIS GOES ON AND ON FOR SEVERAL
MEETINGS, 20, 30 MEETINGS, NOW
BECOMING INTERROGATION BY THE
FBI AGENTS AND THEY SEIZE MY
FILES, MY PHONE RECORDS, MY TEXT
MESSAGES, MY E-MAILS AND THEY
WOULDN’T GIVE ME ACCESS TO THEM.
THEY WOULD SORT OF HAND THEM OUT
ONE AT A TIME, REDACTED, OUT OF
SEQUENCE AND THEN QUIZ ME ABOUT
THEM AND IF I GOT SOMETHING
WRONG, IF I SAID WELL I’M NOT
SURE IF I TALKED TO GENERAL
FLYNN AN HOUR BEFORE HIS PHONE
CALL WITH THE RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR
OR I TALKED TO HIM THAT MORNING,
WELL, THEY WOULD THEN SAY WELL,
YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD HAVE
REMEMBERED THAT.
THAT’S SO IMPORTANT.
WE THINK YOU’RE LYING TO US.
THAT’S WHEN THEY TRIED TO TRAP
ME ON A PERJURY CHARGE.
THAT’S WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS
REFERRING TO.
THEY TRY TO ENTRAP YOU ON A
PERJURY CHARGE AND FORCE YOU TO
PLEAD GUILTY BECAUSE THEY CAN
BANKRUPT YOU IF YOU HAVE TO GO
TO COURT, THAT’S THE ULTIMATE
WEAPON.
MARIA: THAT’S WHAT THEY DID TO
GENERAL FLYNN.
THEN THEY TRIED TO CORNER HIM
ABOUT HIS SON.
ANY FATHER WOULD BE LIKE WAIT,
LEAVE MY SON OUT OF THIS AND SO
HE JUST WENT ALONG WITH IT.
THE STORY THAT YOU JUST TOLD IS
DISGUSTING.
IT’S DISGUSTING.
YOU’RE THERE, IN YOUR HOME, THEY
KNOCK ON THE DOOR AND SAY OH,
YEAH LET ME JUST CASUALLY ASK
YOU A FEW QUESTIONS, HOPING TO
ENTRAP YOU.
DID YOU EVER GET A LAWYER, KT,
OR DID YOU CUT IT OFF?
>> I DID.
I HAD THE BEST LAWYER IN THE
COUNTRY.
MARIA: THIS IS A DI LEMMA.
>> I GOT THE BEST LAWYER IN THE
COUNTRY, BOB GIVE GIFFORD.
IT WAS SO BAD.
THEY WERE STOPPED AT THE FOOT OF
MY DRIVEWAY AND THEY WAITED FOR
ME TO COME BACK FROM EXERCISE
CLASS AND MY HUSBAND TO LEAVE
AND THEN IT WAS KNOCK, KNOCK,
KNOCK.
SO THEY WERE WAITING.
THEY HAD THE WHOLE THING PLANNED
FROM THE BEGINNING.
THEY WERE TRYING TO ENTRAP
PEOPLE.
I WAS COLLATERAL DAMAGE.
MARIA: IT WAS PETER STRZOK THAT
WENT TO GENERAL FLYNN.
>> HE WAS NOT THE KNOCK, KNOCK,
KNOCK MAN.
BUT I WILL SAY THAT WITH GENERAL
FLYNN, AS YOU POINT OUT, THEY
BLACKMAILED HIM.
NOT ONLY WITH BACK RUN BACK RUN
HE SACRIFICED -- BANKRUPTCY BUT
HE SACRIFICED HIMSELF WITH HIS
SON.
THEY DRAGGED PEOPLE LIKE ME AS
COLLATERAL DAMAGE.
WE WERE AT EACH OTHER’S THROAT.
WE WERE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO
BUSINESS IN THE NATIONAL
CONVERSATION AND WHY.
BECAUSE THEY HATED TRUMP SO
MUCH.
THEY HATED DONALD TRUMP.
MARIA: THAT’S RIGHT.
I LOST FRIENDS OVER IT, KT.
YOU’RE RIGHT.
YOU’RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
THIS IS SO DISGUSTING.
THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT
STORY.
I KNOW YOU WRITE ALL ABOUT IT IN
YOUR BOOK, WHICH IS A FABULOUS
READ.
THANKS FOR WRITING THE BOOK.