Tonight, Donald Trump
ignoring questions
about Melania
as he made his way into court.
Thank you very much.
Mr.
Trump
also like hearing the Access Hollywood.
Are you ready for me to enter
first fight against you with Melania?
Melania has avoided the courtroom
completely thus far,
privately calling the trial
a quote unquote, disgrace.
And that's
according to The New York Times.
OUTFRONT now, Stephanie
Grisham, the former Trump
White House press secretary
and Melania's former chief of staff.
And Elizabeth Williams,
the sketch artist in the courtroom
with Donald Trump today as she has been.
Other days, we've had the honor
of speaking to Elizabeth.
Stephanie, let me start with you on the
the core of this was Stormy
Daniels situation.
And you spent a lot of time with Melania
when the news was breaking about Stormy.
And you said
this was very embarrassing for her.
That was before we found out today
that David Pecker
has a private email account
that could have even more
embarrassing details
about Donald Trump himself.
Is she prepared for that right now?
I can
guarantee she is
watching every ounce of coverage.
And when that came out,
it peaked her interest.
Melania is very much
about proof, show proof.
And so if some more damaging stuff
should come out that, you know,
she didn't know about because,
of course, her husband continues to deny
all of the details here about Stormy,
especially if some other stuff comes out.
I think that'll be really interesting
to watch
because you can't really dispute
things that are in writing.
And that's something she always paid
quite a bit of attention to.
Was was proof.
Right?
And we don't know, for example,
what's in that email account.
That was one thing
dangled out by the prosecution
when it comes to David Pecker, though.
Elizabeth, you were in the room today
and you were watching
when he took the stand.
Yes. Trump is there.
You actually brought your, as I say,
first draft of history you're drawing.
And it shows Trump's
avid focus here on David Pecker.
Absolutely. Trump.
Here we can hold it up
while you're while you're talking.
When David Pecker
came into the courtroom,
Donald Trump
looked at him as he walked in
and he walked in
between the defense table
and the prosecution table
and took the stand.
And from that time,
he was razor focused on
Mr. Pecker.
And indeed,
you can see he's
sitting up
almost on the edge of his edgy seat.
Yes, we can see.
And I know
where as these
other attorneys sitting behind, he's
very, very focused on this,
which was a complete contrast
to what he was doing in the morning,
where he had his eyes closed
during the judge's ruling
and the judge's instruction to the jury.
So it's it's quite an interesting
comparison.
Contrast to the day.
So that's why when I saw this
and Pecker is a very important
he is
and you know, as
Stephanie saying
I mean central to this and amazing
when you see this,
but it's really about the relationship
between between absolutely men here.
So, you know, when we.
There's another sketch of yours
I wanted to show today.
I mean, this one was with Pecker,
but there was another one
that you drew where Trump's eyes are
are closed and, you know, sort of,
gosh, I feel like I'm looking at a
you know, you make me think of Mulcair.
What was happening in that moment.
Well, what was happening
was the judge was
explaining his ruling on the
the Sandoval order
and whether it was in terms
of whether testimony or other cases
could be allowed in questioning of Trump.
Exactly.
And Trump had his eyes closed.
His head would sort of
tilt back and forth.
However,
then I would notice that all of a sudden
he would hear something
and he would snap to attention,
take a piece of paper,
write something down
and hand it to Todd Blanch.
So he really wasn't asleep,
but he had his eyes closed
and he did the same thing
through the
opening statement of the prosecutor.
He closed his eyes the entire time.
So interesting.
That seems to be,
from what you're saying away
that he's focusing, I guess.
But then when he
then his
when his attorney
gives his opening statement,
he sits back, he looks towards the jury.
He he has a very different
body language that point in time.
So,
you know, I see that
I've seen that a lot with defendants.
Defendants will tend to not want to look
at the prosecutor
when they make an opening statement.
That's very typical.
And when their attorney
makes the opening statement,
they will then look towards them.
But this was just so dramatic with
I've never seen anybody close their eyes
for all this period of time ever.
And I've been doing this
and then dashed off a note,
clearly paying attention.
And Stephanie,
as you say,
Melania, paying
attention to this, you know,
just a sort of juxtaposition
of how they're spending their time.
She's out now selling a new jewelry line,
a necklace for Mother's Day, $245.
She calls it, quote,
her love and gratitude.
Nothing on the website
suggests that the money raised
is going to charity
or anything like that.
Do you have any sense
what she could be selling
the jewelry for?
I mean, is this just money for herself?
Money to raise money
for the legal defense
for Trump's been trying left
and right and center to raise money.
What's it for?
So I try not to laugh at the thought
that she would be raising money
for his defense. I'm so sorry.
That's absolutely not going to be it.
Number one,
they're using so many people
who are contributing,
you know, to the president
and to his president
or the former president
and to his campaign for those things.
But she's doing it for herself. You know.
Had I been advising her,
I would have said a couple of things.
Number one,
this is the first day of your husband's
criminal trial
and you're going to hock some jewelry.
Probably not a very good look.
And then, yeah, I would have, you know,
at least said, hey,
are we going to give this
to some kind of an initiative
for children or, you know,
her mother did just pass,
so perhaps it would go to some kind of a
whether it's
Alzheimer's, cancer or something,
some proceeds,
but instead it just says, here
you go, buy this for $245, You know,
And then another thing that you had said
at the beginning of the
of the
your segment is that, you know,
she finds this to be just disgusting.
Trial, Right.
I forget what the word is,
but if that were the case,
she would at least put that out on ex
she would say something Melania Trump
absolutely does what she wants to do
and if she felt this was a disgrace,
she would say something.
All right.
Well, thank you both very much.
I appreciate it.