>>> DONALD TRUMP’S FLAILING OUT LOUD TODAY AS NEW SIGNS EMERGE
THAT THE PLACE HE RAN TO ESCAPE
POLITICAL RUIN DURING THE
MUELLER INQUIRY, LIES ABOUT HIS
CONDUCT, ATTACKS ON THE
INVESTIGATORS, AND OBSTRUCTION
OF THE INVESTIGATION, ITSELF,
DON’T APPEAR TO BE WORKING WHEN
IT COMES TO THE IMPEACH CHLT MEN
INQUIRY.
INQUIRY. SEVERAL NEW POLLS OUT TODAY
SHOWING GROWING SUPPORT FOR THE
INQUIRY, ITSELF, THE MOST
DRAMATIC A NEW "WASHINGTON POST"
POLL SHOWS 58% OF AMERICANS, 58%
OF AMERICANS DON’T AGREE ON MUCH
ANYMORE, 58% OF AMERICANS
SUPPORT THE INQUIRY.
THAT’S UP 21 POINTS SINCE JULY.
AND A FULL 49% OF AMERICANS GO
SO FAR AS TO SAY THEY SUPPORT
IMPEACHMENT AND DONALD TRUMP’S
REMOVAL FROM OFFICE.
THAT’S NOT JUST AMONG TRUMP’S
HARDENED OPPONENTS.
HARDENED OPPONENTS. ALMOST A THIRD OF REPUBLICANS
SUPPORT AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY
INTO TRUMP’S CONDUCT WITH
UKRAINE.
UKRAINE. A STAGGERING 57% OF INDEPENDENTS
ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE INQUIRY.
JOINING US AT THIS TABLE,
POLITICS REPORTER FOR THE DAILY
BEAST, BETSY WOODRUFP SWAN.
AND KARINE JEAN-PIERRE.
MOVE MOVEON.ORG MEMBERS.
I THINK IT WAS SURPRISING WHEN
THE REPORT CAME OUT WITH 150
CONTACTS BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP’S
ORBIT, TEN ACTS OF CRIMINAL
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, THEY
DIDN’T REALLY MOVE.
AFTER THE MUELLER REPORT CAME
OUT, 39% SUPPORTED ON
IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY AND MAY HAVE
BEEN SOME OF WHAT LED TO NANCY
PELOSI’S SORT OF STUBBORN
REFUSAL TO HEAD DOWN THAT PATH.
58%.
58%. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> SUPPORT THIS ONE.
>> IT’S ASTONISHING.
I DON’T THINK WE’VE -- IN
TRUMP’S TIME, HIS ERA, WE’VE
NEVER SEEN NUMBERS MOVE THIS
QUICKLY.
QUICKLY. THERE’S A TREND LINE WE’RE
SEEING FROM I THINK THIS IS THE
FOURTH POLL NOW WE’RE SEEING ON
IMPEACHMENT AND SO IT’S, LIKE I
SAID, TSIT’S ASTONISHING.
I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE MUELLER
INVESTIGATION FOR A SECOND.
I THINK THE DIFFERENCE WAS THERE
MUELLER WASN’T LEAKING AND
DONALD TRUMP HAD THE BULLY
PULPIT AND HIS ENABLERS AND THEY
WERE ABLE TO PUT INFORMATION OUT
THERE OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
NOW WE’RE IN A SITUATION WHERE
IT’S PRETTY MUCH CLEAR CUT.
IT’S NOT CONFUSING WHAT
HAPPENED.
HAPPENED. EVEN THOUGH HE’S TRYING TO
CONFUSE IT.
CONFUSE IT. AND THE DEMOCRATS ACTUALLY HAVE
THE BULLY PULPIT AS WELL.
TO BE ABLE TO PUSH THE
MESSAGING, TO BE ABLE TO TALK
ABOUT GETTING DOWN TO THE TRUTH
AND UNCOVERING THE LIES.
SO I THINK WE’RE JUST IN A
DIFFERENT BALL GAME.
IT’S CLEAR CUT.
IT’S NOT AS CONFUSING.
AND WE’RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A
SECRET PROBE.
SECRET PROBE. RIGHT?
RIGHT? WE’RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING
THAT’S PRETTY OUT THERE IN THE
OPEN.
OPEN. >> YOU KNOW, BETSY, I THINK IT
ALL ALSO IS COMING FROM INSIDE
THE HOUSE.
THE HOUSE. ALL THE CALLS COMING FROM INSIDE
THE HOUSE.
THE HOUSE. THE WHISTLE-BLOWER WAS CLOSE
ENOUGH TO HAVE CONTACT WITH
ENOUGH WHITE HOUSE AIDES FOR A
TRUMP APPOINTEE TO STAMP THE
COMPLAINT AS CREDIBLE AND
URGENT.
URGENT. IT’S BEEN CORROBORATED BY THE
PRESIDENT’S OWN UTTERANCES.
AND IT’S EASY.
IT’S CHEATING.
IT’S CHEATING. IT’S ASKING A FOREIGN LEADER TO
DIRTY UP YOUR OPPONENT BECAUSE
YOU’RE TOO POLITICALLY WEAK TO
DO IT YOURSELF.
>> IT’S THE KIND OF NARRATIVE
YOU CAN EXPLAIN IN ABOUT 30
SECONDS AND ALL THE CORE FACTS
THAT DEMOCRATS ARE MOSTLY
RELYING ON HAVE BEEN RELEASED BY
THE WHITE HOUSE.
WE HAVE THE MEMO DETAILING THE
PRESIDENT’S CALL WITH UKRAINE’S
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. ANYONE CAN READ THAT AND NO ONE
DISPUTES THAT THE FOUR CORNERS
OF THE MEMO ARE AN AUTHENTIC
DOCUMENT.
DOCUMENT. VISH
VISH EVERYONE AGREES ON THAT AS A
FACT THAT THE MEMO EXISTS.
WE HAVE THE WHISTLE-BLOWER
COMPLAINT, THE PRESIDENT AND
REPUBLICANS DISPUTE, THE MERITS
OF THAT COMPLAINT, THE DOCUMENT,
ITSELF, IS NOT IN QUESTION, AND
THE SIMPLE FACT IN THIS CASE
THAT THE PRESIDENT ASKED A
VULNERABLE U.S. PARTNER TO
INVESTIGATE ONE OF HIS TOP
POLITICAL RIVALS, EVERYONE
AGREES ON THAT.
THERE’S JUST NOT ROOM FOR
DEBATE.
DEBATE. IN A MOMENT WHEN SO MANY BASIC
FACTS ARE UP FOR GRABS,
UNFORTUNATELY IN AMERICAN PUBLIC
LIFE, IN THIS CASE, THOSE CORE
THINGS, EVERYONE AGREES ON
INCLUDING THE WHITE HOUSE.
>> AND HE DID SEEM TO BENEFIT
FROM SORT OF BRANDING THE
MUELLER PROBE AS BEING TIED TO A
DEEP-STATE CONSPIRACY.
DEEP-STATE CONSPIRACY. THIS HAS ALL ANHAPPENED LITERALL
ON THE NORTH LAWN OF THE WHITE
HOUSE.
HOUSE. >> ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY, I’M
SKEPTICAL ABOUT THIS POLL FOR A
FEW REASONS.
FEW REASONS. I’M SKEPTICAL ABOUT BEING -- FOR
DEMOCRATS BEING TOO EXCITED
ABOUT THIS POLL.
THE REASON IS TRUMP’S APPROVAL
RATING HAS BEEN OUT OF STEP WITH
IMPEACHMENT FOR A WHILE.
AND NOW WE’RE SEEING IT COME
TOGETHER.
TOGETHER. AND I DON’T KNOW HOW MUCH IS
CHICKEN AND EGG, PELOSI BACK IN
MUELLER HASN’T COME OUT FOR
IMPEACHMENT.
IMPEACHMENT. I DON’T KNOW HOW MUCH THE WHOLE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS SAYING WE
ARE FOR IMPEACHMENT.
HOW MUCH THAT HAS A SWAY ON
DEMOCRATIC VOTES.
DEMOCRATIC VOTES. THIS POLL SAYS ALMOST ONE-FIFTH
OF REPUBLICANS SUPPORT HIS
REMOVAL FROM OFFICE.
>> SUPPORT THE INQUIRY.
>> NO, NO, ALMOST ONE-FIFTH
SUPPORT HIS REMOVAL IT SAYS IN
THIS STORY OF THIS POLL.
GIVE ME A BREAK.
I MEAN, LAST MONTH YOU HAD
85%-95% OF REPUBLICANS JOB
APPROVAL WHO STUCK WITH HIM
THROUGH HELSINKI,
THROUGH HELSINKI, CHARLOTTESVILLE, STORMY DANIELS,
"ACCESS HOLLYWOOD," MUELLER,
SUDDENLY THEY SAY THIS IS THE
BREAKING POINT.
BREAKING POINT. I DON’T BELIEVE IT.
QUINNIPIAC POLL SAYS 94% OPPOSE
HIS REMOVAL.
HIS REMOVAL. I THINK PEOPLE ARE GETTING AHEAD
OF THEMSELVES THINKING
REPUBLICANS ARE DOING A BIG JAIL
BREAK ON TRUMP.
I THINK THE SUPPORT THERE IS
STRONGER THAN THIS POLL
SUGGESTS.
SUGGESTS. >> AND, I MEAN, I THINK THE
OTHER INDICATORS FOR WHERE THE
REPUBLICANS ARE IS THEY’RE
A-WOL.
A-WOL. I DON’T KNOW IF YOU WERE BACK
FOR THE SUNDAY SHOWS.
>> I’VE SEEN, THE SILENCE IS
NOTABLE.
NOTABLE. >> I THINK THE POLLS CAN ALSO BE
INDICATORS.
INDICATORS. I TAKE YOUR POINT THAT
REPUBLICANS SUPPORT TRUMP AND
OPPOSE IMPEACHMENT.
OPPOSE IMPEACHMENT. I THINK THE IDEA THAT THE WHITE
HOUSE IS RATTLED BY SOME OF
THESE SWINGS IN PUB LK APPROVAL
IN A WAY THEY NEVER WERE.
HE RAILED AGAINST THE MUELLER
PROBLEM BEFORE HE TOOK OFF HIS
PAJAMAS EVERY DAY FOR 23 MONTHS.
THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR WHAT,
FOUR WEEKS?
FOUR WEEKS? >> I’M NOT SAYING IT’S NOT
NOTABLE.
NOTABLE. >> I TAKE YOUR PINTOINT ON
REPUBLICANS.
REPUBLICANS. I CAN SEE IT.
THE SWING, ESPECIALLY AMONG
INDEPENDENTS WHICH IS WHERE ALL
THE VAPING AND ALL THE SORT OF
FRANTIC LITTLE THINGS, SCHOOL
UNIFORM-TYPE STUFF THEY’RE
TRYING TO DO IS THEIR OWN
ADMISSION THAT AMONG SWING
VOTERS, AMONG WOMEN, AMONG
INDEPENDENTS, THEY’RE DYING.
>> WHAT’S INTERESTING IS IF YOU
BELIEVE, ANY POLL CAN BE AN
OUTLIER.
OUTLIER. IF YOU BELIEVE THERE IS THIS
SHIFT, IT DOES SEEM THERE IS
SOME SORT OF SHIFT, WHAT’S
INTERESTING TO ME AND STILL AN
OPEN QUESTION IS THE WHITE HOUSE
IS ACTUALLY RUNNING A VERY
SIMILAR PLAYBOOK ON THIS AS THEY
DID --
DID -- >> TOTALLY.
>> TOTALLY. >> -- TO MUELLER.
THE PRESIDENT’S TRYING TO
DISCREDIT IT IN THE COURT OF A
PUBLIC OPINION.
PUBLIC OPINION. WE’RE HEARING CONGRESS BEING
CALLED A KANGAROO COURT.
WE HEARD IT’S A COUP.
WE HEARD THE WHISTLE-BLOWER IS
GUILTY OF TREASON.
THE WHITE HOUSE, AS JONATHAN
SAID EARLIER, IS GETTING READY
TO BASICALLY FIGHT EVERY SINGLE
THING WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT KONK
CONGRESS IS ASKING FOR, WHAT
THEY DID WITH A HIGH DEGREE OF
SUCCESS WITH MUELLER.
AND THE QUESTION IS WITH THE
PUBLIC POLLING MOVING AS IT IS,
WITH CONGRESS NOW DOING IT WITH
THE FORCE OF AN IMPEACHMENT
INQUIRY, EVEN THOUGH THEY
HAVEN’T VOTED ON THE HOUSE
FLOOR, DOES THAT CHANGE HOW
SUCCESSFUL THIS, QUITE
SUCCESSFUL, PLAYBOOK WAS THE
FIRST TIME AROUND?
>> WELL, I THINK ONE OF THE
OTHER DIFFERENCES THAT THEY SEEM
TO HAVE ENCOUNTERED IS A
WHISTLE-BLOWER HAS CREDIBILITY.
THE PUBLIC JUST -- THEY THINK
BACK TO UPTON SINCLAIR,
WHISTLE-BLOWERS SOUND THE ALARM
ON BAD STUFF.
I DON’T KNOW WHO THIS
WHISTLE-BLOWER IS, BUT WHOEVER
HE IS, HIS ACCOUNT HAS BEEN
CORROBORATED BY THE WHITE
HOUSE’S OWN EVIDENCE.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> WHAT’S THE PLAYBOOK FOR THAT?
>> EVERYTHING IN THE
WHISTLE-BLOWER ACCOUNT JUST
ABOUT HAS BEEN 100% CORROBORATED
BY WHAT THE WHITE HOUSE HAS PUT
OUT, AS YOU WERE SAYING, BY THE
ACTUAL MEMO OF THE TRANSCRIPT
THEY PUT OUT, BY ADDITIONAL
REPORTING.
REPORTING. I THINK THAT IS PROBLEMATIC.
AGAIN, YOU’RE STILL SEEING THEM
TRYING TO DISCREDIT THE
WHISTLE-BLOWER.
WHISTLE-BLOWER. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> THIS IS YET AGAIN THE
PRESIDENT GOING UP AGAINST HIS
OWN INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY.
>> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> GOING AFTER A CIA OFFICER FOR
TREASON.
TREASON. AND IT’S AN OPEN QUESTION, IS
THAT SUCCESSFUL THIS TIME
AROUND?
AROUND? >> AND WHAT’S INTERESTING, TO
ME, JUST IN LOOK -- AND I’M AS
SKEPT ALICAL AS YOU ARE ABOUT
POLLS.
POLLS. I RARELY COVER ANY TRUMP POLL.
I THINK HE HAS HIDDEN SUPPORT
THAT DOESN’T SHOW UP IN POLLS.
THE QUESTION OF THE INQUIRY, I
THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT
TOLERATE AN INQUIRY IN THE END
MAY NOT SUPPORT HIS REMOVAL AS
IT GETS CLOSER TO THE ELECTION.
I THINK IT’S UNDENIABLE THAT
THERE’S SUPPORT FOR GETTING TO
THE BOTTOM OF HIS EFFORTS TO
BASICALLY EXTORT A FOREIGN
LEADER.
LEADER. >> THAT’S NO QUESTION.
IT’S ALSO THE KIND OF THING THAT
I THINK EVERYONE IN THIS COUNTRY
IS AUTOMATICALLY JUST INTERESTED
IN.
IN. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> IT’S EASY TO UNDERSTAND THE
NARRATIVE IS PRETTY SIMPLE.
I THINK WE ALL WANT TO KNOW AS
MUCH AS POSSIBLE ABOUT THIS
STORY.
STORY. GOING BACK TO THE ISSUE WITH THE
WHISTLE-BLOWER, ONE THING I CAN
TELL YOU IS THAT THERE ARE
SERIOUS CONCERNS WITHIN THE
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY THAT THE
WAY THE WHISTLE-BLOWER IS BEING
DESCRIBED BY REPUBLICANS AND THE
WAY IT’S BEING COVERED IS GOING
TO SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT THE
PRESIDENT’S TRUST IN THE I.C.
EVER SINCE HE WAS ELECTED GOING
BACK, EVEN TO BEFORE, HE BOUGHT
INTO CONSPIRACY THEORIES ABOUT
THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY, BUT
THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT HAS