>>> I MEAN, I’M NOT A BABY. >> FACT CHECK, TRUE.
THE PRESIDENT IS NOT A BABY.
THE POINT HE RAISED REPEATEDLY
IN THIS "60 MINUTES" INTERVIEW.
>> I MEAN, I’M NOT A BABY.
>> I KNOW BUT --
>> I’M NOT A BABY.
THIS IS A TOUGH BUSINESS.
THIS IS A VICIOUS PLACE.
I ALWAYS USED TO SAY THE
TOUGHEST PEOPLE ARE MANHATTAN
REAL ESTATE GUYS AND BLAH,
BLAH -- NOW I SAY THEY’RE
BABIES.
BABIES. >> WHO IS --
>> THE POLITICAL PEOPLE.
>> TRUMP’S PENCHANT FOR
REFERENCING BABIES IS AN INSULT
OR INSECURITY THAT HAS DEEP
ROOTS.
ROOTS. AUTHORS JOSH GREEN AND BOB
WOODWARDED REPORTED HOW HE
SHOUTED AT MANAFORT, YOU TREAT
ME LIKE A BABY.
I SIT HERE LIKE A LITTLE BABY
AND YOU WATCH TV AND YOU TALK TO
ME.
ME. AM I AN F’ing BABY, PAUL?
THAT GAINED TRACTION AFTER
INTERNATIONAL ACTIVISTSANCED
INTERNATIONAL ACTIVISTSANCED THAT QUESTION, YES.
TROLLING THE PRESIDENT WITH A
GIANT DIAPER CLAD TRUMP BABY
BLIMP FLOWN IN LONDON AND ACROSS
THE U.S.
THE U.S. THIS WEEKEND IT WAS IN CHICAGO.
NOW, KATY TUR COVERED THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN FROM DAY ONE AND IN
UNBELIEVABLE HE FIXATED ON
IMAGE.
IMAGE. HE CAN’T BEAR LOOKING WEAK.
FEW HUMANS ARE WEAKER THAN
BABIES BECAUSE THEY’RE BABIES.
KATY, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
>> THAT WAS DEEP.
>> I WONDER THE DEPTH YOU SEE
WITH HIS OBSESSION.
>> IT’S NOT JUST DURING THE
PRESIDENCY.
PRESIDENCY. HE BROUGHT THIS UP ON THE
CAMPAIGN AS WELL WHEN HE WAS
TRYING TO TAKE DOWN MARCO RUBIO
WHO FOR A TIME WAS LEADING IN
THE POLLS, HE KEPT CALLING HIM A
BABY OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
SO IT IS AN INSULT HE USES WHEN
HE NEEDS TO BRING SOMEBODY DOWN
A NOTCH.
A NOTCH. IT’S LIKE DOG CATCHER IN THAT
WAY.
WAY. HE CAN’T BEAR LOOKING WEAK WHICH
IS WHAT I WROTE IN THE BOOK.
AT THE TIME WHEN I WAS WRITING
THAT HE WAS ABRUPTLY -- HE
ABRUPTLY STOPPED ONE OF HIS
SPEECHES IN RALEIGH, NORTH
CAROLINA BECAUSE PROTESTERS
INTERRUPTED SO MUCH IT MADE HIT
HARD.
HARD. I REPORTED THAT.
HE GOT FURIOUS AND BOYCOTTED NBC
NEWS BECAUSE HE THOUGHT IT MADE
HIM LOOK WEAK.
IF A PROTESTER GOT UNDER HIS
SKIN HE DOESN’T LOOK IN
CONTROLS, HE’S NOT A STRONG
PERSON.
PERSON. IT’S THE SAME WAY THAT HE -- I
THINK HE VIEWS DICTATORS.
HE’S NOT A BABY.
HE UNDERSTANDS WHAT THEY DO.
HE GETS IT.
THE WORLD IS A DARK AND
DANGEROUS PLACE, IT’S A MEAN
PLACE.
PLACE. HE SAID THAT OVER AND OVER
AGAIN.
AGAIN. >> YOU MENTIONED HIM ATTACKING
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. LET’S SHOW THIS.
>> WE HAVE A BUNCH OF BABIES
RUNNING OUR COUNTRY, FOLKS.
WE HAVE A BUNCH OF LOSERS.
THEY ARE LOSERS, THEY ARE
BABIES.
BABIES. >> WHAT THE HELL DID HE THINK?
HE’S LIKE A BABY.
>> AND THEN HE APOLOGIZED LIKE A
LITTLE BABY.
LITTLE BABY. LIKE A DISGUSTING LITTLE WEAK
PATHETIC BABY.
PATHETIC BABY. >> IT SEEMS LIKE MORE THAN A
TALKING POINT.
TALKING POINT. IT SEEMS TO RESONATE SOMEWHERE
INSIDE HIM.
INSIDE HIM. >> IT’S A DEEP INSULT.
IT’S WHAT HE CONSIDERS ONE OF
HIS DEEPEST INSULTS, CALLING
SOMEBODY A BABY.
CALLING SOMEBODY A DOG CATCHER
BECAUSE YOU CAN’T TAKE THEM
SERIOUSLY.
SERIOUSLY. A BABY BECAUSE AS YOU SAID
THEY’RE WEAK AND CAN’T PROTECT
THEMSELVES.
THEMSELVES. HE THINKS IF YOU TELL THE TRUTH,
IF YOU ADMIT THAT THERE’S NUANCE
TO YOUR DECISION, YOU ARE GOING
TO LOOK WEAK BUT HE SAW OUR PAST
LEADERS AS WEAK AND BABIES
BECAUSE THEY WERE UNWILLING TO
SAY WHAT NEEDED TO BE SAID.
HE WAS THE ONE THAT WAS WILLING
TO SAY IT.
HE WAS THE ONE THAT WAS WILLING
TO GO OUT AND SAY, I’M GOING TO
BOMB THE FAMILIES OF TERRORISTS
AND ANYBODY WHO JUDGED HIM FOR
IT, SAID, HEY YOU CAN’T DO THAT,
THEY WERE WEAK BECAUSE HE WAS
THE ONE TELLING IT LIKE IT IS.
>> LET’S PROBE HIS MENTALITY
BECAUSE YOU SPENT SO MUCH TIME
WITH HIM.
WITH HIM. >> YEP.
>> YEP. >> I’M NOT TRYING TO PUT HIM ON
THE COUCH.
THE COUCH. SOMETIMES THE THINGS THAT WE
MOST REVILE IN OTHERS REMIND US
OF SOMETHING WE’RE NOT AT PEACE
WITH WITHIN OURSELVES AND BOB
MARLEY SAID THE BIGGEST MAN YOU
EVER DID SEE WAS ONCE A BABY.
AND IT WAS A STATEMENT ABOUT
HUMILITY.
HUMILITY. I WONDER IF AND FEEL FREE TO
DISAGREE, I WONDER IF PART OF
HIM IS ACTUALLY PERSONALLY
UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE NOTION HE
WAS ONCE A BABY, THAT WE COME
FROM DUST AND RETURN TO DUST,
THAT THERE IS A KIND OF A
WEAKNESS IN THAT THAT IS HUMAN
FRAILTY THAT BOTHERS HIM.
>> I DON’T KNOW.
AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING
THAT --
THAT -- >> I DON’T KNOW EITHER.
>> A CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST WOULD
NEED TO DISCUSS IT WITH HIM BUT
I CAN SAY FROM COVERING HIM FOR
AS LONG AS I DID FROM
INTERACTING WITH HIM THE WAY
THAT I DID, HE HAS A PERSONAL
AVERSION, A REVULSION, IF YOU
WILL, TO LOOKING WEAK.
AND TO BEING SOMEBODY WHO IS
UNWILLING TO SAY THE MEAN THING,
THE HONEST THING AND JUST TO
MAKE MY POINT ON WHAT HE WAS
DOING THERE WITH THE DICTATORS
IS THAT HE’S WILLING TO SAY WHAT
OTHER LEADERS WOULD NOT SAY,
WHICH IS, YES, I KNOW WHAT THEY
DO BUT IT’S MORE IMPORTANT I GET
AN ARMS DEAL EVEN THOUGH THAT
ARMS DEAL IS THE WAY HE
DESCRIBES IT IS NOT ACCURATE
EVEN IN THE SLIGHTEST BUT IT’S
MORE FOR HIM IT’S SAYING BEING
WILLING TO SAY I’M READY TO DEAL
WITH THIS PERSON REGARDLESS OF
WHAT THEY DO IN THEIR HOME
COUNTRIES BECAUSE I CAN --
THERE’S A TRANSACTIONAL
RELATIONSHIP THAT CAN BE HAD.
IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT YOU DO,
THE MEANS JUSTIFY THE ENDS AND
THE ENDS ARE THAT I’M GOING TO
GET A BETTER DEAL.
>> IN FAIRNESS A LOT OF HIS
SUPPORTERS RESONATE WITH THAT
KIND OF REAL POLITIC.
BEFORE I LET YOU GO, WE HAVE
SOME MORE IMAGERY WE WANT TO PUT
UP ON THE SCREEN.
A SALUTE TO HER COLLEGE TOUR.
FOLKS MAY REMEMBER THAT, THAT
MOMENT PAUSING WITH THAT BEAR
BUT WE HAVE OTHER ONES.
LOOK AT THIS ONE.
DID YOU DELIBERATELY MAKE THIS A
PRIORITY ON YOUR TRIP.
>> DO YOU KNOW WHY I HAVE SUCH
AN AFFINITY TO BEARS.
MY MIDDLE NAME IS BEAR.
>> WHY?
>> WHY? >> MY FAMILY IS WEIRD.
>> I NEVER WOULD HAVE GUESSED
YOU GREW UP IN A WEIRD FAMILY.
>> NO.
>> NO. NO.
NO. OF COURSE, I’M TOTALLY NORMAL.
>> I’M KIDDING.
>> KATY BEAR TUR.
THAT’S ME.
THAT’S ME. >> YOU DON’T USE IT
PROFESSIONALLY.
PROFESSIONALLY. >> NO, I DON’T BECAUSE I GET
ENOUGH TUR ON TWITTER.
I BROUGHT THE LEVEL OF
INTELLECTUAL OR DOOR AND
INVESTIGATE DOOR FROM THIS
CONVERSATION DOWN A BIT.
>> WE LOVED HAVING YOU HERE.
YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME AROUND
THE MAN WHO BECAME PRESIDENT AND
COVERED THAT CAMPAIGN
VOCIFEROUSLY.
VOCIFEROUSLY. >> LISTEN, I THINK DONALD TRUMP
IS -- I’M NOT GOING TO GET DOWN
ON THE THERAPIST COUCH BUT HE IS
A PROJECTOR AND WHEN SOMEBODY