WARNING ONCE AGAIN THAT RUSSIA
WILL NOT STOP AT UKRAINE.
JOINING ME IS PHILLIP BREED
LOVE.
GENERAL, I WANT TO START WITH
THE LARGER QUESTION HERE.
WE ARE NOW IN MONTH TWO OF THIS
WAR.
UKRAINE HAS NOT JUST HELD,
UKRAINE HAS REALLY STOOD UP IN
THE FACE OF THIS ATTACK.
YES, THE RUSSIANS PROVED TO BE
NOT AS PREPARED FOR THIS.
DO YOU THINK IN A YEAR, TWO
YEARS, THREE YEARS WE'LL LOOK
BACK AND SAY WE DID IT JUST
RIGHT?
OR ARE WE GOING TO SAY WE SHOULD
HAVE DONE MORE SOONER?
>> WELL, MY FIRST REACTION IS WE
SHOULD HAVE DONE MORE SOONER.
IN FACT, IF WE HAD GOTTEN IN
FRONT OF THE INVASION, WE
PROBABLY COULD HAVE MADE A
PRETTY BIG DIFFERENCE WITH SOME
OF OUR ACTIONS.
BUT SINCE THE WAR HAS STARTED,
WE'VE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF
TRYING TO PUSH THE RIGHT KINDS
OF THINGS TO UKRAINE.
THERE ARE STILL THINGS THEY WANT THAT WE INTEND TO GET THEM THAT
THAT WE INTEND TO GET THEM THAT
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET.
>> GETTING LOGISTICALLY THEM ON
PLANES ISN'T EASY, IS IT?
>> IT'S NOT.
IT WOULD BE IF THERE WERE
CONSIDERATIONS OF HOW THAT
HAPPENS AND HOW MR. PUTIN THINKS
ABOUT HOW THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
NOT VERY HARD TO FLY A MIG-29
FROM POLAND INTO UKRAINE BUT
IT'S HARD TO DO IN A
GEOPOLITICAL SENSE.
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, POLAND
CLEARLY WAS EAGER TO D IT UNTIL
SOMEBODY GOT IN THEIR EAR AND
THEY SAID, NEVER MIND, YOU DO
IT, AMERICA, RIGHT?
>> WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS
GOING ON THAT MAY NOT BE
TERRIBLY PUBLIC ABOUT WHO'S
SAYING WHAT TO WHO ABOUT HOW
THAT WOULD BE PERCEIVED,
ET CETERA.
SO I THINK THAT KNOWING THESE
GREAT POLISH PEOPLE, THAT
THERE'S MORE TO THE STORY THAT
WE'LL LISTEN AS HISTORY UNFOLDS
THIS ALL.
>> WALK US THROUGH WHAT THIS --
WHAT YOU BELIEVE THE
CONVERSATION IS LIKELY BEEN HAD
INSIDE THAT NATO MEETING AS
THEY'RE TRYING TO DECIDE, OKAY,
WHAT IS OUR RESPONSE IF PUTIN
DOES THIS, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO
DO?
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF
YOU HEARD US EARLIER WITH
AMBASSADOR DODDLER WHO BELIEVES
WE SHOULD PUBLICLY STATE WHAT
WE'RE GOING TO DO, OTHERS DON'T
BELIEVE WE SHOULD DO THAT.
WHERE DO YOU STAND ON THIS?
>> WELL, WE SORT OF DID THIS
GOING INTO THIS INVASION.
WE TOLD HEM THEM THAT THEY WERE
GOING TO GET INCREDIBLE
SANCTIONS, YET WE DIDN'T DISCUSS
THEM PUBLICLY, BUT WE WERE
ASSURED THAT WE HAD TOLD THEM IN
PRIVATE HOW TOUGH THOSE
SANCTIONS WERE GOING TO BE.
AND MR. PUTIN TOOK A MEASUREMENT
OF US AND DECIDED I CAN LIVE
WITH THAT AND HE WENT IN AND
INVADED ANYWAY.
I THINK THAT MAYBE THIS TIME WE
SHOULD CONSIDER BEING A LITTLE
MORE PUBLIC SO THAT ALL THE
OTHER 29 NATIONS OF NATO CAN
SORT OF RESOUND TOGETHER IN DO
NOT CROSS THESE LINES OF
CHEMICALS, BIOLOGICALS, OR
NUCLEARS BECAUSE THAT IS A
DIFFERENT REGIME.
I AGREE WE VIE ONIVO ON THAT.
>> HOW CONCERNING IS IT TO YOU
OUR TOP PENTAGON OFFICIALS ARE
NOT ABLE -- ARE NOT GETTING
THEIR CALLS TAKEN BY THEIR
RUSSIAN COUNTERPARTS RIGHT NOW? >> IT IS TROUBLING.
>> IT IS TROUBLING.
I HAVE A -- I HAD A HOT LINE
WHEN I WAS THERE.
WE SPOKE FOR SMOEFRLS AND
DIRECTED TO STOP SPEAKING.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS A MISTAKE
BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO INTO
CONFLICT, YOU NEED TO TALK MORE
RATHER THAN LESS.
BUT IT IS WORRYISOMEWORRISOME.
I BELIEVE A PART OF THIS IS A
PROBLEM ON THE FAR SIDE.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN MUCH OF THEM
SINCE THE POOR PERFORMANCE OF
THIS MILITARY, AND ONE HAS TO
WONDER WHAT THAT MEANS.
>> NOBODY WANTS TO TRY TO FIGURE
OUT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, BUT,
YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW RUSSIA HAS
SAID HE'S JUST BUSY, THAT'S WHY
YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE DEFENSE
MINISTER.
IT IS OBVIOUSLY HARD TO TAKE
ANYTHING THE RUSSIANS SAY AT
FACE VALUE.
WE ASSUME PUTIN IS LOOKING FOR A
SCAPEGOAT.
COULD THIS BE IT?
>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW, BUT YOU
ALSO HAVE HEARD THAT AT LEAST
ONE OF THESE INDIVIDUALS HAS
SUDDENLY DEVELOPED A HEART
PROBLEM, SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST
WOULDN'T BELIEVE ANYTHING RIGHT
NOW.
I'M PRETTY SURE THAT MR. PUTIN
IS EXTREMELY UNHAPPY WITH THE
PERFORMANCE OF HIS MILITARY
RIGHT NOW, AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN
MUCH FROM HIS CIVILIAN MILITARY
LEADER OR HIS UNIFORMED MILITARY
LEADER, AND I THINK THAT'S A
PRETTY EASY PAGE TO READ.
>> JUST ON THE -- WALK ME
THROUGH HOW WE COULD CONFIRM THE
PHOSPHOROUS BOMB ALLEGATION THAT
PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY TOLD NATO
ABOUT TODAY.
>> WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO
GET A FORENSICS TEAM IN THERE OR
GET THE UKRAINIANS TO RECOVER
SOME.
YOU KNOW, NO MATTER WHAT THE
UKRAINIANS FIND AND SHOW, THE
RUSSIANS ARE GOING TO DENY IT,
AND SO WE WOULD NEED TO GET SOME
REAL PROOF OF WHAT HAPPENED IN
THERE.
AND THERE'S NOT THAT HARD IF YOU
ARE AT THE IMPACT POINT OR THE
PLACE WHERE IS IMIMPACTED.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OUR
FORENSICS FOLKS COULD SORT OUT.
>> WHEN IT COMES TO -- WE'RE
ABOUT TO HEAR FROM PRESIDENT
BIDEN HERE IN THIS PRESS
CONFERENCE IN ABOUT 90 SECONDS
OR SO AND TRYING TO TEAL WITH
THESE RED LINES HERE.
WHAT IS A -- IF WE'RE TRYING TO
BOTH GET A CEASE-FIRE AND PUNISH
PUTIN FOR DOING THIS, CAN BOTH
BE ACCOMPLISHED HERE?
>> YEAH, IT'S GOING TOCK TOUGH.
YOU KNOW, BOEPT SIDES ARE
FIGHTING FOR POSITION ON THE
BATTLEFIELD NOW TO GIVE THEM
BETTER STRENGTH AT THE
NEGOTIATING TABLE.
AND I THINK EVERY DAY
MR. PUTIN'S NEGOTIATING POSITION
IS DWINDLING AND UKRAINE'S IS
GROWING.
AND SO, THIS IS GOING TO BE AN
INTERESTING DYNAMIC AS WE START
TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE