>>> JOINING ME NOW TO TALK ABOUT
WHAT HER COUNTRY NEEDS RIGHT
NOW, THE UKRAINIAN AMBASSADOR TO
THE UNITED STATES, OKSANA
MARKAROVA.
AMBASSADOR MARKAROVA, THANK YOU
VERY MUCH FOR COMING TO "THE
SUNDAY SHOW."
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND THANK YOU FOR SPREADING THE
TRUTH ABOUT THE WAR.
>> SO WE'VE TALKED A LOT THIS
MORNING AND I'M SURE YOU'VE BEEN
IN ON DISCUSSIONS AT THE HIGHEST
LEVELS ABOUT THE NEED THAT
PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY HAS BEEN
TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT A NO-FLY
ZONE.
BUT WHETHER IT'S FROM PRESIDENT
BIDEN SAYING NO TO A NO-FLY
ZONE, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER
BORIS JOHNSON IN A OP-ED IN "THE
NEW YORK TIMES" SAYING NO TO A
NO-FLY ZONE, THE HEAD OF NATO
SAYING NO TO A NO-FLY ZONE, MAKE
THE CASE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
WHY THAT IS ESSENTIAL FOR
UKRAINE.
>> LOOK, UKRAINE IS A PEACEFUL
COUNTRY.
WE NEVER ATTACKED ANYONE.
WE NEVER WERE A THREAT TO
RUSSIA, UNLESS BEING A PEACEFUL,
DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY IS A THREAT.
WE ALWAYS LIVE IN PEACE WITH
EVERYONE.
RUSSIA ATTACKED US IN 2014.
RUSSIA ATTACKED US NOW.
AND FOR 11 DAYS NOW, COURAGEOUS
UKRAINIANS ARE FIGHTING,
DEFENDING OUR HOMES, AND IT'S
BRUTAL.
IT'S A FULL-FLEDGED WAR.
THE SCENES THAT YOU SEE ON YOUR
TV SCREENS FROM UKRAINE AND
EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS ON THE
GROUND IN MANY MAJOR CITIES
EVERYWHERE, IN VILLAGES, IT'S
SOMETHING FROM WORLD WAR II
IMAGERY, SOMETHING THAT NAZI DID
TO UKRAINE IN 1943 AND 1945, AND
THIS IS WHAT RUSSIA IS DOING
NOW, KILLING KIDS, SHELLING
HOSPITALS.
UKRAINE IS NOT A SMALL COUNTRY.
IN 1994, WE USED TO THE THIRD
LARGEST NUCLEAR ARSENAL AND WE
VOLUNTARILY DECIDED TO GIVE IT
UP, WE DENUCLEARIZED OURSELVES
BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN PEACE.
AND WE HAD RUSSIA AND THE U.S.
AND GREAT BRITAIN AS THREE
COUNTRIES THAT GAVE US
ASSURANCES THAT WE WILL NEVER BE
ATTACKED BY ANYONE.
AND RUSSIA IS THE COUNTRY THAT
SIGNED THIS AND ATTACKED US.
SO AGAIN, WE WILL NOT STOP.
WE WILL NOT FALL, LIKE MANY
PEOPLE PREDICTED.
WE WILL FIGHT FOR EVERY INCH OF
OUR TERRITORY BECAUSE IT'S OUR
HOME.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO.
AND AS WE ARE PRETTY SUCCESSFUL
ON THE GROUND BECAUSE IT'S NOT
JUST THE ARMED FORCES, IT'S EVERYONE WHO IS FIGHTING, WE NOW
EVERYONE WHO IS FIGHTING, WE NOW
SEE THAT WE KANCAN SEE THE TACTI
BOMBING US FROM THE SKY,
INDISCRIMINATELY, EVERYWHERE.
WE NEED THE NO-FLY ZONE, WHETHER
IT'S SUPPLIES, AIRPLANES, AIR
DEFENSE, WE NEED ALL OF THAT.
FOR PUTIN, IT IS NOT ABOUT
UKRAINE ONLY.
IF HE IS ABLE TO DESTROY A
COUNTRY OF 40 MILLION PEACEFUL
PEOPLE IN THE CENTER OF EUROPE,
WHO IS NEXT?
IF HE CAN ATTACK NUCLEAR
STATIONS IN UKRAINE LIKE HE DID
RECENTLY AND ONLY BY A MIRACLE
WE PUT DOWN THE FIRE THERE AND
THERE WAS NO NUCLEAR ACCIDENT AT
THE LARGEST EUROPEAN NUCLEAR
POWER PLANT, SIX TIMES MORE THAN
CHERNOBYL, TEN TIMES MORE IN
CAPACITY, THEN WHAT WILL STOP
HIM FROM DOING IT TO ANY OTHER
NUCLEAR STATION, OR THAT ONE,
WHICH STILL HIS THUGS CONTROL,
NOT THE RESPONSIBLE ENGINEERS,
THEY ARE UNDER THREAT THERE AS
WELL.
SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A THREAT
TO ANYONE WHO BELIEVES IN
DEMOCRATIC VALUES, A THREAT TO
ANY FREE PEOPLE ON THE PLANET.
>> MADAM AMBASSADOR, THAT
DOVETAILS NICELY WITH THE
QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU,
WHICH IS YOUR MESSAGE TO THE
NATO COUNTRIES, MOLDOVA, POLAND,
ABOUT WHAT THIS WAR ON UKRAINE
MEANS FOR THEM.
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT VLADIMIR
PUTIN WOULD NOT STOP AT UKRAINE?
>> JONATHAN, IT'S NOT ONLY ME.
I THINK ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS
KNOW IT.
THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT ONLY THE
UNITED STATES.
THE SUPPORT FROM THE UNITED
STATES HAS BEEN GREAT AND I
WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL AMERICAN
I'M, TO THE PRESIDENT, TO
CONGRESS, ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS,
BUT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ALSO
FOR THIS SUPPORT.
BUT WE HAVE THE SAME SUPPORT
FROM ALL THE COUNTRIES AROUND
US, BECAUSE THEY KNOW PUTIN WILL
NOT STOP IN UKRAINE.
THEY KNOW WHAT HE HAS IN MIND IS
YET ANOTHER GREAT WAR.
AND IF WE ANALYZE THE PREVIOUS
GREAT WARS, ALL OF THEM COULD
HAVE BEEN STOPPED LOCALLY AND
THEY WERE NOT.
AND THEN IT WAS A TRAGEDY ON A
GLOBAL SCALE.
SO WE ALL TOGETHER HAVE TO ACT
AND STOP PUTIN NOW.
>> PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY PUT OUT A
VIDEO THAT WE SAW ON TWITTER,
AND WE'VE SHOWN A BIT OF IT THIS
MORNING, WHERE HE AGAIN MAKES
THE CASE FOR A NO-FLY ZONE, OR
AT A MINIMUM, AIR MATERIEL TO
HELP PROTECT UKRAINE.
AND HE SAYS IF YOU AT LEAST DO
NOT GIVE US AIRCRAFT FOR US TO
BE ABLE TO DEFEND OURSELVES,
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE
CONCLUSION.
YOU ALSO WANT US TO BE SLOWLY
KILLED.
THIS IS ALSO THE RESPONSIBILITY
OF THE WORLD'S POLITICIANS,
WESTERN LEADERS, TODAY AND
FOREVER.
WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS TALKING
ABOUT, WHAT PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY
IS TALKING ABOUT, IS WHAT YOU'VE
BEEN TALKING ABOUT SINCE YOU'VE
BEEN ON THE SHOW, THAT THIS WAR
ON YOUR COUNTRY IS BIGGER THAN A
WAR ON YOUR COUNTRY, THAT THIS
IS A WAR OF DEMOCRACY VERSUS
AUTOCRACY.
AM I VIEWING THIS CORRECTLY?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
ABSOLUTELY.
UKRAINE DID NOTHING TO PROVOKE
THIS.
UKRAINE WAS NEVER A THREAT TO
RUSSIA.
EVEN AFTER RUSSIA GRABBED CRIMEA
ILLEGALLY IN 2014, EVEN THOUGH
WE HAD ALL THE LEGAL RIGHT TO
TAKE IT BACK, WE NEVER TRIED IT,
WE NEVER USED ANYTHING ABOUT
DIPLOMACY TO RESTORE OUR
TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY.
SO THIS IS TOTALLY UNPROVOKED,
BRUTAL WAR BY RUSSIAN CRIMINAL
FORCES IN UKRAINE, WHERE THEY
ARE SUFFERING LOSSES.
WE HAVE MORE THAN 11,000
RUSSIANS KILLED ALREADY IN
UKRAINE.
THEY ARE HIDING THIS INFORMATION
FROM THEIR PEOPLE.
11,000.
IT'S ALMOST THE SAME, IT WAS
15,000 THAT WAS KILLED DURING
THE SOVIET INVASION IN
AFGHANISTAN DURING TEN YEARS.
IT'S 11,000 DURING 11 DAYS ONLY,
TEN DAYS BECAUSE THIS IS
YESTERDAY'S INFORMATION, BECAUSE
WE ARE DEFENDING OUR HOMES.
>> MADAM AMBASSADOR, YOU JUST
SAID 11,000 RUSSIAN FATALITIES.
COULD YOU TELL US ABOUT THE
CASUALTIES AND FATALITIES OF
UKRAINIANS AS A RESULT OF THIS
WAR?
>> I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT
NUMBERS.
AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND,
IT'S A FULL-FLEDGED WAR.
SO WHILE THE ARMY IS REPORTING
ON THE FATALITIES OF THE ENEMY
BECAUSE THEY RECORD IT WHEN THEY
ARE THERE AND THEY DO IT, AND WE
HAVE A LOT OF RUSSIANS WHO
SURRENDER ALSO, WE HAVE QUITE A
NUMBER IN ACTIVITY, BUT OUR
LOSSES ARE ALSO HUGE, BECAUSE
THEY'RE SHELLING RESIDENTIAL
AREAS AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN
ALLOWING OUR FIREFIGHTERS OR
ANYONE TO COME CLOSE.
LIKE YESTERDAY OR TODAY, FOR
EXAMPLE, IN THE NORTH OF KYIV,
THE SUBURBS, THEY BRUTALLY KILL
AND WOUND, EVERY TIME WE TRY TO
EVACUATE PEOPLE, THEY'RE
SHOOTING AT CIVILIANS TRYING TO
FLEE THE MOST DANGEROUS ZONES.
WE SAW THE SAME MA MARIN MARIUPO
WHERE WE AGREED TO HAVE THE
HUMANITARIAN CORRIDOR AND
RUSSIANS DID NOT ALLOW IT TO
HAPPEN, AND STARTED SHELLING
MARIUPOL.
>> SADLY, MADAM AMBASSADOR,
WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME, AND I
REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING
HERE.
YOU WERE A GUEST OF PRESIDENT
BIDEN'S AT THE STATE OF THE
UNION ADDRESS.
AND THE ONLY TIMES THAT HE GOT
BIPARTISAN STANDING OVATIONS IS
WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT UKRAINE.
THERE WE'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN
A SUSTAINED STANDING OVATION.
WHAT DID IT MEAN TO YOU TO HAVE
THAT RECOGNITION AT SUCH A BIG
MOMENT IN THE UNITED STATES, THE
PRESIDENT'S STATE OF THE UNION
ADDRESS?
>> IT WAS AN HONOR TO BE THERE.
AND ACTUALLY ACCEPT THESE
OVATIONS FOR THE UKRAINIAN
PEOPLE.
IT'S FOR OUR GREAT PRESIDENT,
OUR ARMED FORCES, AND THE
ORDINARY PEOPLE OF UKRAINE.
ALL 40 MILLION OF US WHO ARE
FIGHTING TOGETHER FOR OUR
COUNTRY TODAY.
AND WE WILL NOT STOP, WE WILL
NOT SURRENDER.
AND WE REALLY HOPE THAT THE
WHOLE WORLD WILL ACT TOGETHER
WITH US.
>> AMBASSADOR OKSANA MARKAROVA
FROM UKRAINE, AN HONOR.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TO
"THE SUNDAY SHOW."
MY HEART GOES OUT TO YOU AND THE
UKRAINIAN PEOPLE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING