we have to keep talking about the shooting in tucson because
the level of sophistry out there it needs to be reined in did our political
discourse really have anything to do with a and will these killings impact
debate on the legislative challenges that still lie ahead we have a system in
your party department offer to the show none other than david packard liberal
host of the internationally syndicated radio television program a david packard
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good to have a good to have it
of the summer result liberals out there sort of dial things back a bit
originally they were making connections between
of the shooter geral authors
like hideous ax on that fateful day in tucson arizona
and
of the rhetoric from conservative commentators
we're now seeing that this guy is somebody whose favorite publications
happen to be the communist manifesto and mine called while he also like to
killing mockingbird on what that means
efficiently we find out that school mates classmates
friends and family all thought it was a nut case he got a state like arizona
which makes it very easy for people who are perceived to be somewhat wacky
to get reported perhaps
uh... to be brought in for assessment may be
eventually carissa regime
to protect both of cells as well as others
what was your sense of the idea that some right out of the gate want to make
attributions of political
motives to this guy people like uh...
pulitzer prize winner or should say noble prize winning uh...
communist-style polec rodman out of the uh... new york times
yet right out of the gate we heard
from both sides trying to show that terribly wachner was associated with the
other side on my radio show actually said that i think it's a bit of a
distraction because the reality is we have a couple of indications he may have
been liberal or you may have been conservative or he was involved with the
white supremacist anti semitic internet form two new kind of a relevant i'm
thinking of the fact that or whatever his personal politics are if we look at
the media and if we look at the political discourse where it is the
majority of the violent rhetoric the called army the idea that violent is an
actual solutions the political disagreement towards the majority of
that coming from america very clear that this from the right
although if you breathe easier to search engines precisely i find to be
disproportionately of from the left has no effect
i'm gonna go ahead and
put forward to my producer a request
that you get together a couple of clips of one of the clips will be uh... clip
eight of in colter
and then the next what i want to be of clip three had to be michael lawyers
willis com partment
but i'm heartened very from a guy i know made perfect is in the studio right
behind me
yellow gone
leader you when you have worked for him before okay today
what's up first here are clip they within colter
and then click three
monthly what i'll let algis keep up with you and then my produce will tell me in
your piece when he's all set david and you know what you are saying going comma
we can come up with clips
from both sides but look
honest we talk about the the means and discourses that eclipse and i would be
hard-pressed to be convinced that called arms the idea of people are going to
take away our guns by the way poet conservatives and liberals are going to
take away our cotton and the idea that people need to reload and so on and so
forth we can't find example to fill one-hour radio show from both
but if we look at a year or two years or five years is from the right now
we have heard jeremiah wright did such a pass as to dust bowl like ritalin
revver right had some incendiary hateful things that he was saying over and over
in over again
and yet when that happened we were hearing all this is the defenders insist
that he was not being races he was not being bigoted and his not being vial
it does strike me again both parties that does seem as if both parties will
get a pass to the room for that which they would never tolerate from others
and then on top of that it's probably just because
he's refuses to hold himself up to the same standards to which he subjects
others
but in the aggregate you'll see in the blog is fear
much more hateful speech on the left and you do on the right
far more self and you also hear a greater inclinations start controlling
free speech from the left
than you do the right
we have representative louise slaughter by the way is act as we have a worthless
ready
i guess he can hear me
anyway we have represented louise slaughter suggesting the federal
communications commission
was not working anymore adding that she would look at ways to better police
language on the airwaves
and then you've got chuck participant clyde burn right now
uh... he's a third highest ranking democrat on the house
and by the way he's also the daddy of minion claiborne who's a
servidores uh... f_c_c_ commissioner
but he's out there saying we ought to bring back
the fairness doctrine
now i have to say we can't have that discussion but i think we're in the real
we're talking about policing internet speech in bringing our access fairness
doctrine this is their responsibility this is the
this is the response to the respect invent
in tucson arizona
so it has a direct relevance here i don't get in the weeds in the delegate
to the minutiae i would say i'm always worried about losing the clarity the
forest for the trees of the new ship the fairness doctrine just impose upon all
radio stations the requirement that the give equal time to both sides of the
aisle which made sense a hundred years ago but no longer because of a multitude
of media outlets but when they start threatening to do this
they're forgetting that the first amendment protects free speech
the every time you know but i'm so mad normal respecting the stamina religion
or
of rio or or ah... ah... the free exercise thereof were abridging the
freedom of speech or of the press in the right of people
peaceably to assemble petition the government for redress of grievances
you've got a right now if this ever went through have certain people saying will
certain
objections can't be raised because they might be misinterpreted by nut cases out
there and for that reason we have to curtail you dissent
what you were not you know i think that this particular valid argument but i
have to say in the immediate wake of this violent ac
and a part
suddenly become much more relevant to think about well
how many well how many bullets which eric we'll offer had have had if the
assault weapons ban had not expired that to me is not right now violent
curtailing thing we can discuss let's discuss all that also means that the bad
guys can still get a hold of guns
that as soon as i said now that lead attorney right that people could still
get a hold of the nearby your mistake about it by your measure by your measure
any argument could be expanded into a multitude of other arguments allowing
someone to escape from their half of the original rub there have still not being
properly defended in an argument
socratic dialogue point counterpoint counterpoint counterpoint
not to say that the rights of the many should be curtailed to any degree
because of the pit
sexual abuses by the very very very very very very few and that's what concerns
me about that have any gun control that all instead of even having the instant
that i mean we can also go back up the ladder that where my point is
i don't think on the issue of guns
i don't think that people should not be allowed to have guns but really to
unique thirty three bullets in a quick isn't pen and not and maybe that would
saved a few people that got just what example and once you have ten is ten
really necessary why can't we just have five
i've already told a lot like where you're going to get that out where you
draw the line there have been now you bring up a good point i don't know where
you drop a line but this latest certificates where thirty-three can we
already have legislation we were
scared we were made kid liberals would take i've gotten and now we've got
thirty three bullets ok well this is the type of thing that happened
i'm just always worried of the rights of the many being potentially dampened or
curtailed because of the abuses by the very very few
is that we find ourselves in a very intellectually abridged
posture if you will
were essentially taken a peripheral observation and inferring it is a poor
conclusive analysis now we're turning around with david and sending it out in
the same fashion when paul krugman of the new york times comes out and says i
don't have any proof
that this was politically motivated but i really think it is
to me
that's not that such as intellectually disingenuous
academic before re where my role
i'm not going to do and all krubregards whatever you want i read that column i
don't recall stuff but what i think adelaide and has a very basic
fundamental observer you think it was a responsible thing for a guy who knows
he's very well-read
whose were very widely read
to say just two hours after the shooting
i get cat i don't know what crew brenda should be i don't know exactly how many
hours after he can comment what i can say that he's learning an argument to
that same all multitude of other arguments time in a very linear fashion
asking was a responsible for widely-read rider
to say such a thing just two hours out of the game
it's has information he believed to be accurate that yet
in retrospect hopefully what kind of thing
well given that such a subjunctivitis satisfied except by the mind of portland
left of the cold air david packard thanks a lot we appreciate it folks you
all with that allows me to bring a network analysis your network analysis
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