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The Senate Judiciary Committee is holding a confirmation hearing today for FBI director
nominee Christopher Wray.
Wray served as assistant attorney general under George W. Bush from 2003 to 2005, at
a time when the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel signed off on the use of
torture against detainees in CIA and military custody.
Still with us, Marcy Wheeler in Grand Rapids, Michigan, independent journalist who covers
national security and civil liberties.
The significance of Christopher Wray, what you think he needs to be asked and who he
is, Marcy?
MARCY WHEELER: People are most aware of the fact that he represented Chris Christie on
Bridgegate.
And there are questions about whether he was fully forthcoming on that.
I mean, he’s a defense attorney.
Everyone deserves a defense attorney.
That will get a lot of attention from Democrats today.
There are things that happened when he was at DOJ that both help and hurt his case, I
think.
He was one of the people who, in 2004, when Jim Comey stood up to Dick Cheney and threatened
to resign if Stellar Wind was not put on better legal framework—is one of the people who
reportedly was going to resign.
And he gets a lot of credit for that.
But we’ll see what that really means.
I’m more concerned about some other things, such as, in the early days of the investigation
into who outed Valerie Plame, he continued to brief John Ashcroft about the investigation
generally, but also Karl Rove’s role in the investigation.
And that was really inappropriate, because he was informing Ashcroft about stuff that
had gotten Ashcroft into that position, and that’s directly analogous to where we are
today.
Would Christopher Wray brief Trump on what is happening on the investigation into Trump?
That question needs to be asked and answered.
You mentioned torture.
He is known to have gone to Gitmo.
He is known to have been involved in torture.
But the details about his role in torture are all still redacted.
They’re all over these ACLU documents they got in a FOIA, but we don’t know what the
substance of it is.
And then, finally, during the period he was the assistant attorney general for Criminal
Division, he oversaw a deal with Chiquita, the banana company.
Chiquita, as you recall, had been materially supporting terrorism in Colombia, both sides,
so both the right-wing terrorists and the left-wing terrorists.
And the company itself paid a penalty, but no Chiquita executive was held accountable
for that.
So, you know, it’s this classic case of double standard of justice.
If a young Muslim man had been found to have done the kind of material support for terrorism
that Chiquita did, that young man would be facing 30 years of prison time.
But when they’re white Republicans, they end up facing no punishment at all for knowingly
supporting terrorism.
And he was very much involved in that negotiation.
So I’d love to see him be asked questions about that.
AMY GOODMAN: Now, this issue of heading up the Justice Department’s Criminal Division
from 2003 to ’05 under George W. Bush, Wray responsible for investigating CIA abuses of
prisoners, including the deaths of two men in Afghanistan and Iraq, what about that?
MARCY WHEELER: Right.
So there is one case where, under Wray, they charged a guy named David Passaro, who was
a CIA contractor, for assault in a case where an Afghan detainee was killed.
And his supporters, Wray’s supporters, are going to say, "Look, he’s opposed to torture,
because he prosecuted the only guy tied to the CIA who got prosecuted for torture."
And that’s actually a false claim.
If you look at Passaro’s case, there are—it looks to be that—because there were DOD
people involved in that interrogation, as well, it looks to be sort of DOD saying CIA
is finally going to be held accountable for all their abuse.
And a bunch of key DOD witnesses were withheld from Passaro while he was being tried.
More importantly, just in—just as they were about to charge David Passaro, they took a
bunch of documents away from him, which there’s very good reason to believe that Passaro knew
about the findings supporting torture.
He knew that Cofer Black had signed off on torture.
He knew that George Tenet had signed off on torture.
Those documents were—I don’t know whether he had those documents, but a bunch of documents,
as backup, were taken away from him.
He was given misleading information about what the standard for interrogation was at
the time he was in Afghanistan.
And that was all then not included in his trial.
Had it been, then I think that it would have been a lot more likely to blow up the fact
that the entire chain of command within CIA had bought off on torture at the period where
he killed this detainee.
So, you know, again, Wray’s supporters are going to say, "Look, he’s anti-torture."
That’s not the case.
This was a case—this was—they needed a scapegoat.
They went after this guy Passaro.
Maybe he was as guilty as they claim, but I don’t think he got a—I don’t think
he got a fair trial.
But more importantly, it wasn’t a case of justice being served in the way it should
be.
AMY GOODMAN: Finally, I just wanted to go back to one issue regarding what is enveloping
the White House now.
President Trump didn’t have a public event in the last three days.
He heads off to Paris tonight, invited by the French president for Bastille Day.
He’ll hold a very brief presser tomorrow.
But The Washington Post reporting on a concerted effort to go after journalists right now,
from the White House.
I was just watching a discussion with the head of the White House Correspondents’
Association.
The White House had approached him, Jeff Mason, head of the White House Correspondents’
Association—he’s with Reuters—to criticize another journalist’s work.
And specifically going after journalists now, going back through their past to discredit
journalists, as they, themselves, at the White House, are embroiled in this scandal, Marcy?
MARCY WHEELER: Part of me says, "Good luck," because these are great journalists.
The ones—the four people who bylined on that story include people who have taken on
Dick Cheney in the past, people who have exposed some real intelligence scandals in the past—Apuzzo
and Goldman, who exposed the NYPD spying scandal.
And so, they’re good journalists.
What you’re going to find, if you go into their background, is that they have a history
of telling really important stories.
In fact, DOJ has gone after Goldman and Apuzzo before on another story that, you know, raised
questions about the CIA’s counterterrorism programs.
You know, I don’t think that’s going to help the White House, especially given that
in this case the key smoking gun, as you called it, is the email that Don Jr. released himself.
I mean, how are you going to go after the journalists, when your son is the one who
released the key piece of evidence?
AMY GOODMAN: Well, Marcy Wheeler, I want to thank you for being with us, independent journalist
who covers national security and civil liberties, runs the website EmptyWheel.net, speaking
to us from Grand Rapids, Michigan.
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When we come back, we go to Mexico City, and we go to Canada, to learn about a surveillance
program that the Mexican government is using to go after those investigating the killing
or the disappearance of the 43 students in 2014.
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